[stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers

PAUL BAVER pebaver at verizon.net
Sat Mar 31 20:54:51 UTC 2012


Yes I've been there many times, for a small town, with many budget problems, 
it's quite a nice one. Paul E Baver
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers


> Are you familiar with the museum in Reading? I spoke there a few years 
> ago - lectured on African American Art and Literature. I used to speak all 
> over PA through the Pennsylvania Humanitis Council and the Pennsylvania 
> Council on the Arts. I absolutely love African American art and 
> literature. I love the diction and the use of language and imagery we find 
> in it.
> Lynda
>
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> Lynda Lambert
> 104 River Road
> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>
> 724 758 4979
>
> My Blog:  http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com
> My Website:  http://lyndalambert.com
>
>
>
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>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "PAUL BAVER" <pebaver at verizon.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>
>
>>I have a similar circumstance, my very best critic has been a (25-year 
>>old), street smart young man that grew up on the streets of Reading PA 
>>with a ninth grade education , and is very street smart. I have been 
>>mentoring him for now going on eleven years, I started writing my book, 
>>with all of the anger that I could find, along with every expletive, that 
>>I could think of, as I also grew up on the streets of Reading PA. . This 
>>street smart, young man, which knows how to use every adjective describing 
>>anything, or everything, told me that if I want to give him a reason to 
>>change, or a reader a reason to change. Then write, in a way that would 
>>make him, or any reader see that change is possable.  He stirnly told me, 
>>if you want me to see that if I want to make my life better, then show me 
>>how to think better, speak better, and how to respect myself for the 
>>changes that your book knows is possible, now that's profound to me, and 
>>very powerful. Thanks again Paul E Baver
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 9:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>
>>
>>> Paul there are really great people here and I have benefited even though 
>>> I have not been here for very long.  I received a little bit of good 
>>> feedback that challenged me to take another look at the couple of things 
>>> I up up.  I can see that there are just a few who are giving feedback 
>>> and I can see why that is. The more feedback we give and recieve the 
>>> better it is for helping us with growth. But, feedback is not the same 
>>> as ranting or bullying a person who has honestly put forth an idea for 
>>> discussion or put forth something they have written.
>>>
>>> I appreciate honest and thoughtful feedback. Good feedback can often 
>>> come from the most unexpected sources.  Never, never think that a person 
>>> has to have a degree in writing to be able to give good feedback.  My 
>>> best proof reader and person to discuss my work with is an auto mechanic 
>>> and welder with no degree in anything but life experiences. That would 
>>> be my husband. He has insight and intuition  and is one of the most well 
>>> read people I have ever known. He reads stacks of books and is 
>>> comfortable in conversations with people of all walks of life.
>>>
>>> Writers thrive on challenges, as do all artistic creative people. 
>>> Rejection goes hand in hand with what we do. We very quickly learn that 
>>> when we start putting out work out to the public.  It makes us work 
>>> harder once we learn that it is for our good and for our growth.   We 
>>> cast our work out to the public and we wait to see what comes back to 
>>> us. What comes back is what we deal with. It can be an acceptance or a 
>>> rejection. But the important thing is that we put it out there in the 
>>> first place.
>>> Lynda
>>>
>>> We all need feedback.  It helps us grow. What we do not ever need though 
>>> is to be bullied by someone who apparently gets some twisted sort of 
>>> pleasure from crushing another's work or spirit. That kind of thing 
>>> always comes from a place of fear.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lynda Lambert
>>> 104 River Road
>>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>>
>>> 724 758 4979
>>>
>>> My Blog:  http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com
>>> My Website:  http://lyndalambert.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "PAUL BAVER" <pebaver at verizon.net>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 8:49 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>
>>>
>>>> Good morning Linda, this is the encouragement I expected from the day I 
>>>> joined, and I'm glad that I took the chance to voice my opinion. 
>>>> Writing is not only sharing my stories with others, for me it was a 
>>>> personal healing process, to Wright my tragic life story, it has now 
>>>> been three years that I've been working on it, and millions of tears 
>>>> later, it took forty plus years to get over myself. Now that I did get 
>>>> over myself, I'd like to see those people that are still full of 
>>>> themselves, get over it. I these days look for the Sunshine, hearing 
>>>> the beauty of the Birds singing and a day without drama, there's so 
>>>> much love, and beauty, to find, I have no time for anything but 
>>>> positivity in my life. I only learned to use this computer in (2005), 
>>>> and know I should be messaging now with an O-T message in my E-mail. 
>>>> I'll be doing that to the next E-mail that I send to you. Again thank 
>>>> you very much, for your genuine encouragement. Paul E Baver
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 7:36 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So nice to hear that in spite of your very sad experiences here, you 
>>>>> have kept on going with your writing. That is what it is all about. 
>>>>> Yes, we have been given a good deal of material to write from in the 
>>>>> wild rants we have been given here. In fact, we could develop a 
>>>>> "character" full blown by using this material.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, Paul, when you have a manuscript that is ready for your publisher 
>>>>> to go over, many eyes will be looking over it and editing it along 
>>>>> with you. Your job is to do the writing, and the editors will be doing 
>>>>> their job, as well as a number of others.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul, I am interested in knowing who some of your favorite authors 
>>>>> are. What kinds of things do you read that you enjoy?  I think that 
>>>>> reading the things we love is the best teacher we can have. And, I am 
>>>>> a college professor, so I can tell you for sure that is what is most 
>>>>> important - reading and absorbing ideas from other writers. In fact, 
>>>>> it's important to read across disciplines if you can - include 
>>>>> philosophers, scientists, artists, and any other books you come across 
>>>>> that might be interesting to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a visual artist and author. Right now, I just finished reading a 
>>>>> book by Pearl S. Buck, who gives insight into China in the first 50 
>>>>> years of the 20th century in her writing. It has enlightened me so 
>>>>> much and given me a basis for understanding much more about the China 
>>>>> we have today.  I finished that and now I am reading another book 
>>>>> written by a scientist. This book is on evolution and creation issues, 
>>>>> from the scientific perspective and historical developments that have 
>>>>> brought us to where we are today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't rule out anything. The most important thing to do at any age is 
>>>>> to read and to be a life-long learner.  Our learning begins in a 
>>>>> classroom, for some of us, but it only begins there. It is not an end 
>>>>> in itself. It is just a baby step on the path of our lives. What takes 
>>>>> place outside of the classroom, and long after we leave those 
>>>>> classrooms is where our stories really take form.  Our degrees (I have 
>>>>> three of them) are a personal achievement that we set for ourselves. 
>>>>> It is for ourselves because we chose to follow a certain path. A 
>>>>> college professor has to have a terminal degree as well as two others 
>>>>> to even get a job interview.
>>>>>
>>>>> For writing, you certainly do not have to go to collee or have 
>>>>> degrees. Some of the finest writers we can name had no degrees. What 
>>>>> they have though, is a keen insight into the human condition as they 
>>>>> have experienced it.  Your life experiences are what is most important 
>>>>> to your writing. What you THINK is far more important than knowing a 
>>>>> list of rules for writing. It is your passion and your enthusiasm that 
>>>>> will come through. The other things will be edited out or fixed by 
>>>>> your editors. Just keep reading and writing.
>>>>> So very NICE to meet you Paul.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynda
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynda Lambert
>>>>> 104 River Road
>>>>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>>>>
>>>>> 724 758 4979
>>>>>
>>>>> My Blog:  http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com
>>>>> My Website:  http://lyndalambert.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "PAUL BAVER" <pebaver at verizon.net>
>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 11:03 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Linda thank you, I'm sure that out of the hundred or more members 
>>>>>> in this club, there are more then just the two of us, that truly like 
>>>>>> learning, and when a person gets chastised verbally it doesn't make 
>>>>>> for a joyful learning experience. The few that go into there ranting, 
>>>>>> and raving, I suppose that they must be experts in the Literary 
>>>>>> World. They must have a great deal of experience in writing, and must 
>>>>>> know more about Literature, then at my age I have time to learn. 
>>>>>> although in the two years as a member of this writing group, I 
>>>>>> haven't yet read any published works by those that go off on telling 
>>>>>> me how smart they think they are, and how there years of Literary 
>>>>>> expertise has given them the privilege, to give us a verbal lashing. 
>>>>>> I must state that, our club President, Mr. Newman, is very helpful, 
>>>>>> and does bend over backwards, to help, in any way he can. As for my 
>>>>>> writing accomplishments, no I haven't had anything published either, 
>>>>>> but now that I've grown up, I'm working on a  book, about my life, a 
>>>>>> true story. I hope to get it published. I must say that I've learned 
>>>>>> from this group, and there some very learned writers, within our 
>>>>>> membership. I also do like to write Pomes, but fear, instead of 
>>>>>> constructive critiquing, I will be told again to return to school, 
>>>>>> and become educated , in the field of writing, and Literature . My 
>>>>>> book surely has come a long way, and yes Sir, it  has grown to a 
>>>>>> point that I now am having it looked at by a publicist. I hope to 
>>>>>> hear from her soon. I'm crossing my fingers, and my toes . Ok Linda, 
>>>>>> maybe I'll work on that poem about the ranting, and raving . 
>>>>>> Sincerely Paul E Baver
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 8:06 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul, you could make this into a POEM!
>>>>>>> It could be such a fun poem to do. You have lots of material to draw 
>>>>>>> from.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lynda Lambert
>>>>>>> 104 River Road
>>>>>>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 724 758 4979
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My Blog:  http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com
>>>>>>> My Website:  http://lyndalambert.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "PAUL BAVER" <pebaver at verizon.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:12 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bravo Linda, I joined about two years ago, and am not, in no way 
>>>>>>>> any expert in this writing process, I to, was lambasted by the 
>>>>>>>> rant, I'm not sure why the rant is so unhappy, or why the rant 
>>>>>>>> seams to be so full of bitterness, but the rant is. The rant is the 
>>>>>>>> reason why, I really don't comment or address, anything at all. 
>>>>>>>> Once the wrath of the rant comes down on you, I don't need a second 
>>>>>>>> round. I applaud you, and your very sincere thoughts. I'll brace 
>>>>>>>> myself, for my chastising by the rant now. Paul E Baver
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 8:45 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I have to say just a couple of things here. I am very new to this 
>>>>>>>>>list. When I saw there was a Writer's Division I thought how nice 
>>>>>>>>>that would be to be in touch with other writers. Since my sight 
>>>>>>>>>loss four years ago, I have very little contact with other writers. 
>>>>>>>>>I was delighted to find this list. I would suppose most of you are 
>>>>>>>>>pleased to be here, too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am a member of another Division for the past 2 or 3 years and it 
>>>>>>>>> is so enjoyable to be a part of it. The people on the list are so 
>>>>>>>>> much fun to talk with every day. They have taught me how to do so 
>>>>>>>>> many things that I needed help with because I still have so much 
>>>>>>>>> to learn about sight loss and how to do many things. I am so 
>>>>>>>>> grateful to them all for their help. In return, I try to help 
>>>>>>>>> others as well, whenever I can. Recently, I even taught a couple 
>>>>>>>>> of classes on that list, and I am scheduled to teach another one 
>>>>>>>>> in May after I return from Puerto Rico.
>>>>>>>>> Every person on that list is valuable, and the person who runs 
>>>>>>>>> that list is such an inspiration to everyone. That list has been 
>>>>>>>>> my introduction to NFB, and it has been a God-send in my life. I 
>>>>>>>>> even got to go to NFB headquarters a year ago, and met her in 
>>>>>>>>> person. What a treasure she is!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With that positive experience in mind, I joined this Writers 
>>>>>>>>> Division. Here, I have met some people that are the same, smart, 
>>>>>>>>> talented, helpful, kind, and encouraging.  But then, to be honest, 
>>>>>>>>> I have found the polar opposite here, as well. It sure has been an 
>>>>>>>>> unpleasant surprise.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is a word for it in literature. It is called the "rant."
>>>>>>>>> When a person writes an opinion, or a comment, I have come to 
>>>>>>>>> realize the Rant will come out loud and clear.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I read that there are over 100 people on this list. I also read 
>>>>>>>>> that only a small portion participate, maybe 15 or so?  Don't you 
>>>>>>>>> wonder why that is? Who needs  or desires to participate in a 
>>>>>>>>> group when just an innocent comment brings down thunder and 
>>>>>>>>> lightening? Is this a one person operation here? Or, is it a 
>>>>>>>>> community of writers who have respect for one another and 
>>>>>>>>> appreciate the opportunity for exchange? The longer I view this 
>>>>>>>>> list the more I see that a bully seems to be runing the show and 
>>>>>>>>> if she does not like that person, they are ostracized, through her 
>>>>>>>>> rants.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I see  there are some really good qualities on this site. The ones 
>>>>>>>>> who take the time to put up a "word" for the day, with definitions 
>>>>>>>>> is such a good thing. Others have put up some really nice poems 
>>>>>>>>> and reflections. Others offer challenges for writing inspiration. 
>>>>>>>>> All great things. Personal stories have been so interesting and 
>>>>>>>>> given a life to the person whom we know only by a name on the 
>>>>>>>>> screen. I am thankful to have met so many of you here. Everyone is 
>>>>>>>>> valuable, everyone had something to give, everyone is worthwhile 
>>>>>>>>> in my opinion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I certainly have not been offended by the folks who have offered 
>>>>>>>>> comments on the few things I had put up. One comment really made 
>>>>>>>>> me go to the books and figure out something I had not thought 
>>>>>>>>> about. Others have given me insight into some other things that I 
>>>>>>>>> appreciate. Another member gave one of my poems the best critique 
>>>>>>>>> I could have imagined and showed me new insights into my own work. 
>>>>>>>>> I hope to be as helpful to others as I can be and I have really 
>>>>>>>>> enjoyed getting to know some of you off-list so much. What a great 
>>>>>>>>> group of folks here. We need everyone - and wouldn't it be 
>>>>>>>>> wonderful if more and more of those 100 plus on the list felt like 
>>>>>>>>> sharing and communicating, too? I think so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lynda Lambert
>>>>>>>>> 104 River Road
>>>>>>>>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 724 758 4979
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My Blog:  http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>> My Website:  http://lyndalambert.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>> From: "Eve Sanchez" <3rdeyeonly at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:10 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wow Bridgit, Where did I say anything about critiquing or 
>>>>>>>>>> feedback? You
>>>>>>>>>> are reading things that were never written and by the way; this 
>>>>>>>>>> is the
>>>>>>>>>> second time you have told me I should not be in this group. Thank 
>>>>>>>>>> you ever
>>>>>>>>>> so much. Eve
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>>>>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, prepare to brand me the B since that's what usually 
>>>>>>>>>>> happens, but
>>>>>>>>>>> here we go. And no, I'm not intending for this to become a 
>>>>>>>>>>> never-ending
>>>>>>>>>>> thread with no conclusion. I merely throw food out for thought 
>>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why belong to a community of writers where we share our work 
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> time-to-time if we do not want feedback and constructive 
>>>>>>>>>>> criticism? The
>>>>>>>>>>> greatest writers in the world have and do belong to some type of 
>>>>>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>>>> community in which they not only share their work but provide 
>>>>>>>>>>> feedback
>>>>>>>>>>> and constructive criticism.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A loving, warm environment is necessary to this process because 
>>>>>>>>>>> no one
>>>>>>>>>>> is superior to anyone. We all have individual styles, voices, 
>>>>>>>>>>> formats
>>>>>>>>>>> and processes in which we write. We need to recognize the 
>>>>>>>>>>> difference
>>>>>>>>>>> between preference and wrong in terms of content, style and 
>>>>>>>>>>> genre. Any
>>>>>>>>>>> feedback should be done with sincerity and a general 
>>>>>>>>>>> appreciation for
>>>>>>>>>>> assisting fellow writers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Feedback is crucial however. You don't attack; you don't 
>>>>>>>>>>> condescend; you
>>>>>>>>>>> don't take a derogatory tone, but you do provide feedback on 
>>>>>>>>>>> what you
>>>>>>>>>>> enjoy and what you think can use work. When it comes to 
>>>>>>>>>>> established
>>>>>>>>>>> rules and guidelines, you certainly point these out. Whether 
>>>>>>>>>>> they be
>>>>>>>>>>> errors made in carelessness or made from lack of knowledge, it 
>>>>>>>>>>> does not
>>>>>>>>>>> matter. Any writer should want a typo of any kind pointed out so 
>>>>>>>>>>> it can
>>>>>>>>>>> be fixed. Sure, many of us will eventually find those mistakes, 
>>>>>>>>>>> but why
>>>>>>>>>>> not take the assistance when offered? One less thing you have to 
>>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen King does not write a novel then turn it over an have it
>>>>>>>>>>> published. Before he submits it, he has a group of trusted 
>>>>>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>>>> friends and editor who pour through a manuscript with him, 
>>>>>>>>>>> pointing out
>>>>>>>>>>> the weak spots along with any grammatical and structural errors. 
>>>>>>>>>>> Most
>>>>>>>>>>> people are aware that C. S. Lewis and J. R. R. Tolkien were 
>>>>>>>>>>> colleagues
>>>>>>>>>>> who belonged to a group of writers who provided feedback for one
>>>>>>>>>>> another. This is why Lewis an Tolkien often seem similar because 
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> gave constructive feedback to each other, often incorporating 
>>>>>>>>>>> ideas
>>>>>>>>>>> suggested by the other.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There's nothing wrong with giving this feedback to each other, 
>>>>>>>>>>> and no
>>>>>>>>>>> one is affecting a superior attitude to do so. If I say your 
>>>>>>>>>>> writing is
>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous and not worth my time, this is wrong and not the type 
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> feedback anyone should provide. If I say, however, I enjoyed 
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> section, but I feel character A does not have enough depth, or I 
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>> your use of dialogue, but be careful of where you place 
>>>>>>>>>>> punctuation with
>>>>>>>>>>> quotation marks, this is constructive criticism and very 
>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial and
>>>>>>>>>>> helpful to any writer. If I make comments such as these, it's 
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> because I think I know everything, or that I'm of a superior 
>>>>>>>>>>> intellect
>>>>>>>>>>> than you, or a better writer than you, it's simply because I see
>>>>>>>>>>> potential and want to assist you in bringing out all the best 
>>>>>>>>>>> aspects of
>>>>>>>>>>> your writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In return, I expect similar feedback. Especially in the 
>>>>>>>>>>> beginning stages
>>>>>>>>>>> with first drafts, we all need feedback. If I want to do my best 
>>>>>>>>>>> work, I
>>>>>>>>>>> need a finger on the pulse of those reading it. Audience 
>>>>>>>>>>> feedback is the
>>>>>>>>>>> only true way in which to learn what works and what doesn't in 
>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>> writing. It's great when you say you enjoy my writing and it's 
>>>>>>>>>>> good, but
>>>>>>>>>>> this doesn't tell me much, or help me when revising. In short, 
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't help make me a better writer; I just fatten up on the 
>>>>>>>>>>> praise not
>>>>>>>>>>> always aware of where I need to concentrate my revising and 
>>>>>>>>>>> editing
>>>>>>>>>>> efforts. This type of process is not contrary to a warm, loving 
>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>> generous atmosphere. As the saying goes, a true friend is 
>>>>>>>>>>> honest, and I
>>>>>>>>>>> think a similar comment can be said for writers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To say a place like Stylist should only be an outlet in which we 
>>>>>>>>>>> sit
>>>>>>>>>>> back and just enjoy each others work is not giving an outlet 
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>> Stylist all the possibilities it can be. After material is 
>>>>>>>>>>> published,
>>>>>>>>>>> then I want to sit back and enjoy it. Before, whether it be my 
>>>>>>>>>>> own work
>>>>>>>>>>> or others, I want to get my hands dirty, ironing and polishing, 
>>>>>>>>>>> bringing
>>>>>>>>>>> all the potential to the surface.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My essay published in Breath and Shadow's winter issue is a 
>>>>>>>>>>> piece that
>>>>>>>>>>> I've worked on for about four years. It has gone through rounds 
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> revision including several workshops, and I had posted sections 
>>>>>>>>>>> of it on
>>>>>>>>>>> Stylist to get feedback from those who cared to do so. What is 
>>>>>>>>>>> in B and
>>>>>>>>>>> S (ha-ha, just realized the initials here, grin) is something 
>>>>>>>>>>> that not
>>>>>>>>>>> only took time, as well as the result of my own creativity and 
>>>>>>>>>>> editing,
>>>>>>>>>>> but of the feedback from others. And I will still probably 
>>>>>>>>>>> continue to
>>>>>>>>>>> revise it over time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So I think it unfair to us as writers and to the intention of 
>>>>>>>>>>> Stylist to
>>>>>>>>>>> say it's wrong or childish or the result of superior attitudes 
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> provide feedback when we post work here. Again, if you don't 
>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>> feedback from your peers, or can't handle it, a writing 
>>>>>>>>>>> community of any
>>>>>>>>>>> kind is not the place for you. And editors, publishers and 
>>>>>>>>>>> authors
>>>>>>>>>>> published numerous times are not the only "experts" who can 
>>>>>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>>>>> constructive feedback. Our writing peers can have just as much 
>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge
>>>>>>>>>>> and experience, and as I learned in university, ultimately it's 
>>>>>>>>>>> up to
>>>>>>>>>>> your intended audience who often are not writers or have any 
>>>>>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>>>> experience/knowledge who determine the success of any writer. So 
>>>>>>>>>>> why not
>>>>>>>>>>> take the opportunity to receive feedback from your peers? In 
>>>>>>>>>>> fact, I
>>>>>>>>>>> don't see those of us proving such feedback as being superior, 
>>>>>>>>>>> but the
>>>>>>>>>>> opposite; if you don't want feedback, it could be interpreted as 
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> thinking yourself too superior to accept feedback from anyone 
>>>>>>>>>>> else. As
>>>>>>>>>>> always, it's a matter of perspective.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>>>>>>>>>>> Read my blog at:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "History is not what happened; history is what was written 
>>>>>>>>>>> down."
>>>>>>>>>>> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
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>>>
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>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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