[stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers

PAUL BAVER pebaver at verizon.net
Sat Mar 31 21:32:43 UTC 2012 

Thank you Dona. Paul E Baver
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers


> Paul,
> A powerful message, indeed. Both of you are fortunate to have each other 
> in
> your lives -- and by extension the world can only benefit from your work.
> Donna Hill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of PAUL BAVER
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:05 AM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>
> I have a similar circumstance, my very best critic has been a (25-year 
> old),
>
> street smart young man that grew up on the streets of Reading PA with a
> ninth grade education , and is very street smart. I have been mentoring 
> him
> for now going on eleven years, I started writing my book, with all of the
> anger that I could find, along with every expletive, that I could think 
> of,
> as I also grew up on the streets of Reading PA. . This street smart, young
> man, which knows how to use every adjective describing anything, or
> everything, told me that if I want to give him a reason to change, or a
> reader a reason to change. Then write, in a way that would make him, or 
> any
> reader see that change is possable.  He stirnly told me, if you want me to
> see that if I want to make my life better, then show me how to think 
> better,
>
> speak better, and how to respect myself for the changes that your book 
> knows
>
> is possible, now that's profound to me, and very powerful. Thanks again 
> Paul
>
> E Baver
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 9:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>
>
>> Paul there are really great people here and I have benefited even though 
>> I
>
>> have not been here for very long.  I received a little bit of good
>> feedback that challenged me to take another look at the couple of things 
>> I
>
>> up up.  I can see that there are just a few who are giving feedback and I
>> can see why that is. The more feedback we give and recieve the better it
>> is for helping us with growth. But, feedback is not the same as ranting 
>> or
>
>> bullying a person who has honestly put forth an idea for discussion or 
>> put
>
>> forth something they have written.
>>
>> I appreciate honest and thoughtful feedback. Good feedback can often come
>> from the most unexpected sources.  Never, never think that a person has 
>> to
>
>> have a degree in writing to be able to give good feedback.  My best proof
>> reader and person to discuss my work with is an auto mechanic and welder
>> with no degree in anything but life experiences. That would be my 
>> husband.
>
>> He has insight and intuition  and is one of the most well read people I
>> have ever known. He reads stacks of books and is comfortable in
>> conversations with people of all walks of life.
>>
>> Writers thrive on challenges, as do all artistic creative people.
>> Rejection goes hand in hand with what we do. We very quickly learn that
>> when we start putting out work out to the public.  It makes us work 
>> harder
>
>> once we learn that it is for our good and for our growth.   We cast our
>> work out to the public and we wait to see what comes back to us. What
>> comes back is what we deal with. It can be an acceptance or a rejection.
>> But the important thing is that we put it out there in the first place.
>> Lynda
>>
>> We all need feedback.  It helps us grow. What we do not ever need though
>> is to be bullied by someone who apparently gets some twisted sort of
>> pleasure from crushing another's work or spirit. That kind of thing 
>> always
>
>> comes from a place of fear.
>>
>>
>> Lynda Lambert
>> 104 River Road
>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>
>> 724 758 4979
>>
>> My Blog:  http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com
>> My Website:  http://lyndalambert.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "PAUL BAVER" <pebaver at verizon.net>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 8:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>
>>
>>> Good morning Linda, this is the encouragement I expected from the day I
>>> joined, and I'm glad that I took the chance to voice my opinion. Writing
>>> is not only sharing my stories with others, for me it was a personal
>>> healing process, to Wright my tragic life story, it has now been three
>>> years that I've been working on it, and millions of tears later, it took
>>> forty plus years to get over myself. Now that I did get over myself, I'd
>>> like to see those people that are still full of themselves, get over it.
>>> I these days look for the Sunshine, hearing the beauty of the Birds
>>> singing and a day without drama, there's so much love, and beauty, to
>>> find, I have no time for anything but positivity in my life. I only
>>> learned to use this computer in (2005), and know I should be messaging
>>> now with an O-T message in my E-mail. I'll be doing that to the next
>>> E-mail that I send to you. Again thank you very much, for your genuine
>>> encouragement. Paul E Baver
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 7:36 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>
>>>
>>>> So nice to hear that in spite of your very sad experiences here, you
>>>> have kept on going with your writing. That is what it is all about.
>>>> Yes, we have been given a good deal of material to write from in the
>>>> wild rants we have been given here. In fact, we could develop a
>>>> "character" full blown by using this material.
>>>>
>>>> And, Paul, when you have a manuscript that is ready for your publisher
>>>> to go over, many eyes will be looking over it and editing it along with
>>>> you. Your job is to do the writing, and the editors will be doing their
>>>> job, as well as a number of others.
>>>>
>>>> Paul, I am interested in knowing who some of your favorite authors are.
>>>> What kinds of things do you read that you enjoy?  I think that reading
>>>> the things we love is the best teacher we can have. And, I am a college
>>>> professor, so I can tell you for sure that is what is most important -
>>>> reading and absorbing ideas from other writers. In fact, it's important
>>>> to read across disciplines if you can - include philosophers,
>>>> scientists, artists, and any other books you come across that might be
>>>> interesting to you.
>>>>
>>>> I am a visual artist and author. Right now, I just finished reading a
>>>> book by Pearl S. Buck, who gives insight into China in the first 50
>>>> years of the 20th century in her writing. It has enlightened me so much
>>>> and given me a basis for understanding much more about the China we 
>>>> have
>
>>>> today.  I finished that and now I am reading another book written by a
>>>> scientist. This book is on evolution and creation issues, from the
>>>> scientific perspective and historical developments that have brought us
>>>> to where we are today.
>>>>
>>>> Don't rule out anything. The most important thing to do at any age is 
>>>> to
>
>>>> read and to be a life-long learner.  Our learning begins in a 
>>>> classroom,
>
>>>> for some of us, but it only begins there. It is not an end in itself.
>>>> It is just a baby step on the path of our lives. What takes place
>>>> outside of the classroom, and long after we leave those classrooms is
>>>> where our stories really take form.  Our degrees (I have three of them)
>>>> are a personal achievement that we set for ourselves. It is for
>>>> ourselves because we chose to follow a certain path. A college 
>>>> professor
>
>>>> has to have a terminal degree as well as two others to even get a job
>>>> interview.
>>>>
>>>> For writing, you certainly do not have to go to collee or have degrees.
>>>> Some of the finest writers we can name had no degrees. What they have
>>>> though, is a keen insight into the human condition as they have
>>>> experienced it.  Your life experiences are what is most important to
>>>> your writing. What you THINK is far more important than knowing a list
>>>> of rules for writing. It is your passion and your enthusiasm that will
>>>> come through. The other things will be edited out or fixed by your
>>>> editors. Just keep reading and writing.
>>>> So very NICE to meet you Paul.
>>>>
>>>> Lynda
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lynda Lambert
>>>> 104 River Road
>>>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>>>
>>>> 724 758 4979
>>>>
>>>> My Blog:  http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com
>>>> My Website:  http://lyndalambert.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "PAUL BAVER" <pebaver at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 11:03 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Linda thank you, I'm sure that out of the hundred or more members 
>>>>> in
>
>>>>> this club, there are more then just the two of us, that truly like
>>>>> learning, and when a person gets chastised verbally it doesn't make 
>>>>> for
>
>>>>> a joyful learning experience. The few that go into there ranting, and
>>>>> raving, I suppose that they must be experts in the Literary World. 
>>>>> They
>
>>>>> must have a great deal of experience in writing, and must know more
>>>>> about Literature, then at my age I have time to learn. although in the
>>>>> two years as a member of this writing group, I haven't yet read any
>>>>> published works by those that go off on telling me how smart they 
>>>>> think
>
>>>>> they are, and how there years of Literary expertise has given them the
>>>>> privilege, to give us a verbal lashing. I must state that, our club
>>>>> President, Mr. Newman, is very helpful, and does bend over backwards,
>>>>> to help, in any way he can. As for my writing accomplishments, no I
>>>>> haven't had anything published either, but now that I've grown up, I'm
>>>>> working on a  book, about my life, a true story. I hope to get it
>>>>> published. I must say that I've learned from this group, and there 
>>>>> some
>
>>>>> very learned writers, within our membership. I also do like to write
>>>>> Pomes, but fear, instead of constructive critiquing, I will be told
>>>>> again to return to school, and become educated , in the field of
>>>>> writing, and Literature . My book surely has come a long way, and yes
>>>>> Sir, it  has grown to a point that I now am having it looked at by a
>>>>> publicist. I hope to hear from her soon. I'm crossing my fingers, and
>>>>> my toes . Ok Linda, maybe I'll work on that poem about the ranting, 
>>>>> and
>
>>>>> raving . Sincerely Paul E Baver
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 8:06 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul, you could make this into a POEM!
>>>>>> It could be such a fun poem to do. You have lots of material to draw
>>>>>> from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lynda Lambert
>>>>>> 104 River Road
>>>>>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 724 758 4979
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My Blog:  http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com
>>>>>> My Website:  http://lyndalambert.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "PAUL BAVER" <pebaver at verizon.net>
>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:12 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bravo Linda, I joined about two years ago, and am not, in no way any
>>>>>>> expert in this writing process, I to, was lambasted by the rant, I'm
>>>>>>> not sure why the rant is so unhappy, or why the rant seams to be so
>>>>>>> full of bitterness, but the rant is. The rant is the reason why, I
>>>>>>> really don't comment or address, anything at all. Once the wrath of
>>>>>>> the rant comes down on you, I don't need a second round. I applaud
>>>>>>> you, and your very sincere thoughts. I'll brace myself, for my
>>>>>>> chastising by the rant now. Paul E Baver
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 8:45 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have to say just a couple of things here. I am very new to this
>>>>>>>>list. When I saw there was a Writer's Division I thought how nice
>>>>>>>>that would be to be in touch with other writers. Since my sight loss
>>>>>>>>four years ago, I have very little contact with other writers. I was
>>>>>>>>delighted to find this list. I would suppose most of you are pleased
>>>>>>>>to be here, too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am a member of another Division for the past 2 or 3 years and it
>>>>>>>> is so enjoyable to be a part of it. The people on the list are so
>>>>>>>> much fun to talk with every day. They have taught me how to do so
>>>>>>>> many things that I needed help with because I still have so much to
>>>>>>>> learn about sight loss and how to do many things. I am so grateful
>>>>>>>> to them all for their help. In return, I try to help others as 
>>>>>>>> well,
>
>>>>>>>> whenever I can. Recently, I even taught a couple of classes on that
>>>>>>>> list, and I am scheduled to teach another one  in May after I 
>>>>>>>> return
>
>>>>>>>> from Puerto Rico.
>>>>>>>> Every person on that list is valuable, and the person who runs that
>>>>>>>> list is such an inspiration to everyone. That list has been my
>>>>>>>> introduction to NFB, and it has been a God-send in my life. I even
>>>>>>>> got to go to NFB headquarters a year ago, and met her in person.
>>>>>>>> What a treasure she is!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With that positive experience in mind, I joined this Writers
>>>>>>>> Division. Here, I have met some people that are the same, smart,
>>>>>>>> talented, helpful, kind, and encouraging.  But then, to be honest, 
>>>>>>>> I
>
>>>>>>>> have found the polar opposite here, as well. It sure has been an
>>>>>>>> unpleasant surprise.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is a word for it in literature. It is called the "rant."
>>>>>>>> When a person writes an opinion, or a comment, I have come to
>>>>>>>> realize the Rant will come out loud and clear.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I read that there are over 100 people on this list. I also read 
>>>>>>>> that
>
>>>>>>>> only a small portion participate, maybe 15 or so?  Don't you wonder
>>>>>>>> why that is? Who needs  or desires to participate in a group when
>>>>>>>> just an innocent comment brings down thunder and lightening?  Is
>>>>>>>> this a one person operation here? Or, is it a community of writers
>>>>>>>> who have respect for one another and appreciate the opportunity for
>>>>>>>> exchange? The longer I view this list the more I see that a bully
>>>>>>>> seems to be runing the show and if she does not like that person,
>>>>>>>> they are ostracized, through her rants.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I see  there are some really good qualities on this site. The ones
>>>>>>>> who take the time to put up a "word" for the day, with definitions
>>>>>>>> is such a good thing. Others have put up some really nice poems and
>>>>>>>> reflections. Others offer challenges for writing inspiration. All
>>>>>>>> great things. Personal stories have been so interesting and given a
>>>>>>>> life to the person whom we know only by a name on the screen. I am
>>>>>>>> thankful to have met so many of you here. Everyone is valuable,
>>>>>>>> everyone had something to give, everyone is worthwhile in my
>>>>>>>> opinion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I certainly have not been offended by the folks who have offered
>>>>>>>> comments on the few things I had put up. One comment really made me
>>>>>>>> go to the books and figure out something I had not thought about.
>>>>>>>> Others have given me insight into some other things that I
>>>>>>>> appreciate. Another member gave one of my poems the best critique I
>>>>>>>> could have imagined and showed me new insights into my own work.  I
>>>>>>>> hope to be as helpful to others as I can be and I have really
>>>>>>>> enjoyed getting to know some of you off-list so much. What a great
>>>>>>>> group of folks here. We need everyone - and wouldn't it be 
>>>>>>>> wonderful
>
>>>>>>>> if more and more of those 100 plus on the list felt like sharing 
>>>>>>>> and
>
>>>>>>>> communicating, too? I think so.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lynda Lambert
>>>>>>>> 104 River Road
>>>>>>>> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 724 758 4979
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My Blog:  http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>> My Website:  http://lyndalambert.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>> From: "Eve Sanchez" <3rdeyeonly at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:10 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Pet PVS- Correcting fellow writers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wow Bridgit, Where did I say anything about critiquing or 
>>>>>>>>> feedback?
>
>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>> are reading things that were never written and by the way; this is
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> second time you have told me I should not be in this group. Thank
>>>>>>>>> you ever
>>>>>>>>> so much. Eve
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>>>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Okay, prepare to brand me the B since that's what usually 
>>>>>>>>>> happens,
>
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> here we go. And no, I'm not intending for this to become a
>>>>>>>>>> never-ending
>>>>>>>>>> thread with no conclusion. I merely throw food out for thought
>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why belong to a community of writers where we share our work from
>>>>>>>>>> time-to-time if we do not want feedback and constructive
>>>>>>>>>> criticism? The
>>>>>>>>>> greatest writers in the world have and do belong to some type of
>>>>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>>> community in which they not only share their work but provide
>>>>>>>>>> feedback
>>>>>>>>>> and constructive criticism.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A loving, warm environment is necessary to this process because 
>>>>>>>>>> no
>
>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>> is superior to anyone. We all have individual styles, voices,
>>>>>>>>>> formats
>>>>>>>>>> and processes in which we write. We need to recognize the
>>>>>>>>>> difference
>>>>>>>>>> between preference and wrong in terms of content, style and 
>>>>>>>>>> genre.
>
>>>>>>>>>> Any
>>>>>>>>>> feedback should be done with sincerity and a general appreciation
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> assisting fellow writers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Feedback is crucial however. You don't attack; you don't
>>>>>>>>>> condescend; you
>>>>>>>>>> don't take a derogatory tone, but you do provide feedback on what
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> enjoy and what you think can use work. When it comes to
>>>>>>>>>> established
>>>>>>>>>> rules and guidelines, you certainly point these out. Whether they
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> errors made in carelessness or made from lack of knowledge, it
>>>>>>>>>> does not
>>>>>>>>>> matter. Any writer should want a typo of any kind pointed out so
>>>>>>>>>> it can
>>>>>>>>>> be fixed. Sure, many of us will eventually find those mistakes,
>>>>>>>>>> but why
>>>>>>>>>> not take the assistance when offered? One less thing you have to
>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Stephen King does not write a novel then turn it over an have it
>>>>>>>>>> published. Before he submits it, he has a group of trusted 
>>>>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>>> friends and editor who pour through a manuscript with him,
>>>>>>>>>> pointing out
>>>>>>>>>> the weak spots along with any grammatical and structural errors.
>>>>>>>>>> Most
>>>>>>>>>> people are aware that C. S. Lewis and J. R. R. Tolkien were
>>>>>>>>>> colleagues
>>>>>>>>>> who belonged to a group of writers who provided feedback for one
>>>>>>>>>> another. This is why Lewis an Tolkien often seem similar because
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> gave constructive feedback to each other, often incorporating
>>>>>>>>>> ideas
>>>>>>>>>> suggested by the other.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There's nothing wrong with giving this feedback to each other, 
>>>>>>>>>> and
>
>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>> one is affecting a superior attitude to do so. If I say your
>>>>>>>>>> writing is
>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous and not worth my time, this is wrong and not the type
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> feedback anyone should provide. If I say, however, I enjoyed this
>>>>>>>>>> section, but I feel character A does not have enough depth, or I
>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> your use of dialogue, but be careful of where you place
>>>>>>>>>> punctuation with
>>>>>>>>>> quotation marks, this is constructive criticism and very
>>>>>>>>>> beneficial and
>>>>>>>>>> helpful to any writer. If I make comments such as these, it's not
>>>>>>>>>> because I think I know everything, or that I'm of a superior
>>>>>>>>>> intellect
>>>>>>>>>> than you, or a better writer than you, it's simply because I see
>>>>>>>>>> potential and want to assist you in bringing out all the best
>>>>>>>>>> aspects of
>>>>>>>>>> your writing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In return, I expect similar feedback. Especially in the beginning
>>>>>>>>>> stages
>>>>>>>>>> with first drafts, we all need feedback. If I want to do my best
>>>>>>>>>> work, I
>>>>>>>>>> need a finger on the pulse of those reading it. Audience feedback
>>>>>>>>>> is the
>>>>>>>>>> only true way in which to learn what works and what doesn't in 
>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>> writing. It's great when you say you enjoy my writing and it's
>>>>>>>>>> good, but
>>>>>>>>>> this doesn't tell me much, or help me when revising. In short, it
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't help make me a better writer; I just fatten up on the
>>>>>>>>>> praise not
>>>>>>>>>> always aware of where I need to concentrate my revising and
>>>>>>>>>> editing
>>>>>>>>>> efforts. This type of process is not contrary to a warm, loving 
>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>> generous atmosphere. As the saying goes, a true friend is honest,
>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>> think a similar comment can be said for writers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To say a place like Stylist should only be an outlet in which we
>>>>>>>>>> sit
>>>>>>>>>> back and just enjoy each others work is not giving an outlet like
>>>>>>>>>> Stylist all the possibilities it can be. After material is
>>>>>>>>>> published,
>>>>>>>>>> then I want to sit back and enjoy it. Before, whether it be my 
>>>>>>>>>> own
>
>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>> or others, I want to get my hands dirty, ironing and polishing,
>>>>>>>>>> bringing
>>>>>>>>>> all the potential to the surface.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My essay published in Breath and Shadow's winter issue is a piece
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> I've worked on for about four years. It has gone through rounds 
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> revision including several workshops, and I had posted sections 
>>>>>>>>>> of
>
>>>>>>>>>> it on
>>>>>>>>>> Stylist to get feedback from those who cared to do so. What is in
>>>>>>>>>> B and
>>>>>>>>>> S (ha-ha, just realized the initials here, grin) is something 
>>>>>>>>>> that
>
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> only took time, as well as the result of my own creativity and
>>>>>>>>>> editing,
>>>>>>>>>> but of the feedback from others. And I will still probably
>>>>>>>>>> continue to
>>>>>>>>>> revise it over time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So I think it unfair to us as writers and to the intention of
>>>>>>>>>> Stylist to
>>>>>>>>>> say it's wrong or childish or the result of superior attitudes to
>>>>>>>>>> provide feedback when we post work here. Again, if you don't want
>>>>>>>>>> feedback from your peers, or can't handle it, a writing community
>>>>>>>>>> of any
>>>>>>>>>> kind is not the place for you. And editors, publishers and 
>>>>>>>>>> authors
>>>>>>>>>> published numerous times are not the only "experts" who can
>>>>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>>>> constructive feedback. Our writing peers can have just as much
>>>>>>>>>> knowledge
>>>>>>>>>> and experience, and as I learned in university, ultimately it's 
>>>>>>>>>> up
>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> your intended audience who often are not writers or have any
>>>>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>>> experience/knowledge who determine the success of any writer. So
>>>>>>>>>> why not
>>>>>>>>>> take the opportunity to receive feedback from your peers? In 
>>>>>>>>>> fact,
>
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> don't see those of us proving such feedback as being superior, 
>>>>>>>>>> but
>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> opposite; if you don't want feedback, it could be interpreted as
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> thinking yourself too superior to accept feedback from anyone
>>>>>>>>>> else. As
>>>>>>>>>> always, it's a matter of perspective.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>>>>>>>>>> Read my blog at:
>>>>>>>>>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
>>>>>>>>>> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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