[stylist] fantasy prompt
Donna Hill
penatwork at epix.net
Tue Apr 23 17:29:24 UTC 2013
Eve,
I didn't like the NLS reader. I read the series many times using the
commercial audio version with Jim Dale, which is extraordinary. I generally
love NLS readers, but whoever it was, read the books like he didn't believe
them, and that doesn't work for anything.
As for mistakes, the very one you mention -- about the order in which
Harry's parents come out of Valdemort's wand, is also in the original Jim
Dale recording. My guess is that it was an editing oversight, of which there
were many. The folks who got books published after the first edition were
lucky enough to have benefited from the changes. Both the Mugglenet and
Leaky Caldron fan sites had a running discussion of errors, and I think fans
pointed out more than the editors noticed. There's one in one of the later
books where Ginny Weasley's eyes are described as brown, when they were
green in the second book where her character is introduced. There are also
differences between the British and American editions, which go beyond the
cultural differences in spellings and punctuation.
In short, I think the errors you experienced were largely the result of
reading from the first edition and not the reader. My problem with the
editorials was that I had the right words, but was dividing the sentences up
differently than Rowling did. For instance, If I hear something like "I
couldn't decide what to do, and I had to make a decision quick," I was
taught not to start a sentence with "And," so I would make it a compound
sentence with a comma before the "and." Nevertheless, that rule is a bit
out-dated. Many authors would have broken my example into two sentences with
"And" followed by a comma being the beginning of the second one. There are
so many things like this that can be legitimately misinterpreted when
copying from an audio version.
In terms of the Braille versions of the Potter books, they were initially
done in Jiffy Braille so that blind kids could have them when sighted kids
did, so those versions had the original errors, and since it was Jiffy
Braille, there were more likely to be Braille errors. Somewhere, I saw
"Serious" Black, and I've often wondered if that was a publisher error or a
Braille error.
Donna
-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eve Sanchez
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:56 PM
To: Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] fantasy prompt
Donna, You bring up a good point. I own just about every type of publication
that is Harry Potter and had read the books many many times while I was
still able. The first time I was listening to the NLS versions I was shocked
to find the mistakes and dialogue changes. I have always wondered about the
Braille copies. Are they like the audio copies or like the printed books?
There is a big difference and the mistakes I found, actually affect the
story for us true followers. Mainly I am speaking of Incantado. The NLS
version had the people coming out of the wand in the wrong order and the
dialogue was changed. This is an important part as it is explained later and
comes up again and again. )0( Eve
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net> wrote:
> Eve,
> I think the Harry Potter books would be perfect. I was a huge fan of
> the books and even wrote essays for fan sites. I realized early on
> from my editor's comments that I was totally butchering the
> punctuation by quoting from the audio version. She called me on it,
> because they were -- as they should be -- rigid about precise
> quotations. I had to tell her I was blind and reading from an audio
version. After that, she fixed the quotes for me.
> I wasn't on Bookshare then. It wasn't till book 6 that I got a Braille
> copy, and what an eye-opener it was. Some of her sentences are quite
> complex, like the first Defense Against the Dark Arts with Snape, when
> he is pointing out pictures around the room and talking to the class
> about them.
> Donna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eve
> Sanchez
> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 11:07 PM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] fantasy prompt
>
> Oh, and congrats to you as well. That is such wonderful news and I
> look forward to reading it. Eve
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Eve Sanchez <3rdeyeonly at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey, that is a great idea. I have a couple editions of Harry Potter
> > in Braille (I don't remember which for sure) and I could listen to
> > them on my talking book at a speed compatible with my Braille
> > reading at the same time. I have actually tried the Hadley course
> > and I am just not an online learner. I need a person sitting next to
> > me. I have always been like that, though I keep trying. I think
> > reading along to the story might work well though. Even if I get
> > lost, I probably know most of them well enough that I could almost
> > recite text. Oh and thank you for all of your kind words. It means a
> > lot to me especially that you like Raven. It is a very important piece
to me, as I have said.
> > Blessed bBe. Eve
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Eve,
> >> Thanks for sharing a bit of what you've been going through. It
> >> really says something about your character that you have set your
> >> mind to learning the things you missed. I think you've already made
> >> up a lot of
> ground.
> >>
> >> I'm sorry to hear that your Braille training had to end. I wouldn't
> >> give up on Braille though; I taught myself, and even though that
> >> isn't what I would recommend, it is still better than not learning
> >> it. Braille is so useful.
> >> Even if you end up being too slow at it to enjoy reading a whole
> >> book, there is value in getting a Braille copy of a book you are
> >> already familiar with and studying bits of it here and there to get
> >> an idea of how that author handled sentence structure and
> >> punctuation. You can also do that sort of thing by reading
> >> Bookshare books and using the navigation options to read by
> >> sentence, word or character. It's not as much of an integrated
> >> experience, IMO, but the information is there and acccessible.
> >>
> >> I know that the Hadley School has free courses in Braille, if you
> >> don't want to do it on your own.
> >>
> >> I'm still thinking of Raven, by the way. It is a powerful and
> >> beautiful piece.
> >> Donna
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eve
> >> Sanchez
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:35 PM
> >> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [stylist] fantasy prompt
> >>
> >> Shaun, Thank you, I am glad you enjoyed. Donna, ;) What I never
> learned
> >> was how to write. I never took any writing or poetry classes. I was
> >> a visual artist (mostly painting and charcoal) and then finally got
> >> my degree in social work. I have always written, but never learned
> >> how to do things correctly; like punctuation and all the 'how
> >> to's'. I also never learned about poetry; reading or writing, so I
> >> have a lot of catching up to do now.
> >> Actually, if it wasn't for this computer, I would be totally
> >> illiterate now.
> >> I don't know Braille very well either. I started learning it and
> >> loved it, but due to conditions I had no control over, my education
> >> stopped. I love learning how to write poetry and such and love that
> >> you guys share your knowledge. Thank you all. Blessed Be. Eve
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi Eve,
> >> > Block quote and block quote end are digital-age ways of
> >> > signifying a quotation, especially a longer one. I don't think I
> >> > would have needed it here, but it's habit. You'll see it online;
> >> > I don't think it's considered proper for academic papers.
> >> >
> >> > What is it you never learned? I must have missed something, but I
> >> > think you came to the list while I was away, so I missed your
> >> introduction. I never
> >> > used a computer till 2005 but I had a literal and figurative "crash
> >> > course" during the first couple of years. I taught myself Braille
> >> > after college; I never got good at it, but it was a life-saver
> >> > for the 20 years I lived alone before getting married and is
> >> > still indispensable today, despite my carpal tunnel syndrome.
> >> > Blessings,
> >> > Donna
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> > Eve Sanchez
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:13 PM
> >> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> >> > Subject: Re: [stylist] fantasy prompt
> >> >
> >> > Hmmm. Well, first off; Thank you for reading this piece. I am
> >> > going to have to reread it more carefully to see why I did that
> >> > and I truly appreciate your comments. Uh, what does 'block quote'
mean?
> >> > Remember, I never learned any of this stuff. ;) Eve
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Eve,
> >> > > This is almost poetic in the way you use and repeat certain
> >> > > lines and concepts. I like it, though I do have one problem in
> >> > > the following paragraph Block quote Only she knew of all her
> >> > > adventures and only she knew of what was to come.
> >> > > She remembered, while looking upon the lunar reflection upon
> >> > > the moving waters.
> >> > > Block quote end
> >> > >
> >> > > It's the use of the word "upon" twice. I can't quite put a
> >> > > handle on why it bothers me when you do the same thing with
> >> > > "only" and that doesn't. I think part of it is that this
> >> > > sentence sounds incomplete, almost gramatically wrong, and perhaps
the second "upon"
> >> adds to that.
> >> > > Perhaps, it's that I generally think of the verb "to remember"
> >> > > as more suited to having an object, so I'm waiting for what
> >> > > exactly she remembered instead of hearing it as more like
"reflected."
> >> > > Donna
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> > > Eve Sanchez
> >> > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 11:46 PM
> >> > > To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> >> > > Subject: [stylist] fantasy prompt
> >> > >
> >> > > Alright, I'll bite. This is my cup after all. By the way,
> >> > > funny thing; my
> >> > > 3 year old grand daughter stole mbag tonight and was swinging
> >> > > it around
> >> > the
> >> > > house. Who needs expensive toys? Seriously, I am working on a
> series
> >> of
> >> > > stories centered around the Fae thaine mythologies and legends
> >> > > from around the world. For those that do not know, the Fae are
> >> > > better known as the Faeries, the beings of another realm. Well,
> >> > > here is one of my pieces and I will warn for those faint of
> >> > > heart, is descriptions of her body. I do not find it sexual,
> >> > > but I have been told bers that it is. So in other words; you
> >> > > might not want to read it if you are worrieut the human
> >> > > anatomy. I was not going to share any of th, but since Bridget
brought it up...
> >> > >
> >> > > Raven
> >> > >
> >> > > Her breasts, as perfect as two peas with tiny
> >> > > nipples pointing the way, sat above a slender waist that
> >> > > smoothly blended into narrow hips of youthfulness, though she was
immortal.
> >> > > Her derriere though, was as prominent as her breasts, causing
> >> > > balance and harmony in
> >> > her form.
> >> > > Her skin was a black blue like the panting tongue of a dog from
> >> > > the orient, yet it shone more than beautiful on her. There was
> >> > > nothing coarse about her.
> >> > > Even if one was to stroke her nether hair they would proclaim
> >> > > it as soft and silky as the above ebony tresses and as glossy
> >> > > black as the feathered wings folded across her back.
> >> > >
> >> > > She sat perched on the tiniest of branches of a
> >> > > great Northern spruce, looking out upon the tides visible in
> >> > > the glow of the moon.
> >> > > She sat with one muscular leg folded under her and the other
> >> > > raised so that she may rest her hand upon her knee. She watched
> >> > > as the water swelled, crested, and rolled in as far as it dared
> >> > > to go, wetting sand and stone alike. She watched as the water
> >> > > then receded leaving a trail of bubbles, as trapped air from
> >> > > beneath the dampened sand was released. She watched this
> >> > > knowing it was only possible because of her thievery. She
> >> > > looked up at the stars and moon and smiled, her black eyes
> >> > twinkling in their glow.
> >> > >
> >> > > This was the tween time, the time between night
> >> > > and day. It was the time between dark and light. It was her time.
> >> > > Those who remembered her, remembered her as the wise trickster
> >> > > bird. This was fine with her though she was more than bird. She
> >> > > did her greatest work in the form of a human boy child, but she
> >> > > was more than
> >> a
> >> human.
> >> > > She was Fae, and this was her time. These were her people, her
> >> > > clan, and
> >> > this was her Mother Earth.
> >> > > She was Raven.
> >> > >
> >> > > All around the world, she was known by many names.
> >> > > She was a trickster, a thief, a messenger, and deity, both
> >> > > Goddess and God. She was Raven. She thought of the many stories
> >> > > told about her as she traveled through the ages visiting and
> >> > > touching the children of Mother Earth throughout its Northern
> >> > > regions, as she preferred, for she only did as she wished and
> >> > > went where she desired. Only she knew of all her adventures and
> >> > > only she knew of what was to come. She remembered, while
> >> > > looking upon the lunar reflection upon the moving waters.
> >> > >
> >> > > Long ago, it is told, she posed as the
> >> > > grandchild of the Creator. He who held the moon and stars, the
> >> > > sun and daylight all in baskets woven with intricate designs,
> >> > > had refused to let them loose. He had protected them from all
> >> > > and kept them safely hidden from molestation, but she knew that
> >> > > in her chosen form she would
> >> prevail.
> >> > > Not even the Great Creator could deny his dearest grandson. And
> >> > > so, after much trickery, it was done. They had been loosed for
> >> > > all the world.
> >> > >
> >> > > The fishermen of the night knew no tides, yet
> >> > > they caught their salmon. The hunters of the night knew no
> >> > > moonlight, yet they killed their stag. The women of the night
> >> > > knew no sunshine, yet they raised strong children. They knew no
> >> > > other way and yet were happy and content. Raven, always greedy
> >> > > as we
> know, was not content.
> >> > > She planned and prevailed. She filled the sky with light and
> >> > > gifted the Earth
> >> > with warmth from the sun.
> >> > > Should a thief feel remorse? Raven felt none.
> >> > >
> >> > > Though The People did not normally sanctify
> >> > > thievery or deception, they honored Raven and do so still to
> >> > > this day. How could there be anger towards someone giving such
gifts?
> >> > > The People looked to the moon and told of time's passage. They
> >> > > learned to read the stories written within the stars. They
> >> > > appreciated the comfort and life provided by the sun and lived
> >> > > fully in daylight. The People did not
> >> > persecute Raven for her crimes.
> >> > > No, they honored the wise bird and remember her gifts to this day.
> >> > >
> >> > > She stood, with the wane light of the tween
> >> > > time silhouetting her diminutive form and looked to the moon and
stars.
> >> > > She felt no remorse. As her world was between spiritual and
> >> > > physical, this was her time. As she was busiest between the old
> >> > > night and the day she gifted, this was her time. As she thought
> >> > > of the creatures that stirred in this tween time, neither dark
> >> > > nor light, she knew they were hers and that she loved them.
> >> > > This was her time and she was content with it as much as greedy
> >> > > Raven could ever be
> >> content with anything.
> >> > >
> >> > > With her memories of the past and ideas of what
> >> > > was to come, she spread her wings and leapt from the bough,
> >> > > falling into the still air, until the wind caught her up and
> >> > > held her suspended before she took flight.
> >> > > Turning in an arc, she circled a totem with her likeness, the
> >> > > likeness of the trickster bird. She is remembered still. She
> >> > > flew counter to the rotation of Mother Earth so as to stay
> >> > > ahead of the day. She flew to stay within the tween time. This
> >> > > was her time, between what was past and that to come, and she
> >> > > had no remorse for her
> >> crimes.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > Writers Division web site
> >> > > http://www.writers-division.net/ stylist mailing list
> >> > > stylist at nfbnet.org
> >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
> >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
> >> > > info for
> >> > > stylist:
> >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/3rdeyeonly
> >> > > %4
> >> > > 0gm
> >> > > ai
> >> > > l.com
> >> > >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Writers Division web site
> >> > http://www.writers-division.net/
> >> > stylist mailing list
> >> > stylist at nfbnet.org
> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
> >> > for
> >> > stylist:
> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/penatwork%40
> >> > epix
> .
> >> > net
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Writers Division web site
> >> > http://www.writers-division.net/
> >> > stylist mailing list
> >> > stylist at nfbnet.org
> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
> >> > for
> >> > stylist:
> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/3rdeyeonly%4
> >> > 0g
> >> > mai
> >> > l.com
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Writers Division web site
> >> http://www.writers-division.net/
> >> stylist mailing list
> >> stylist at nfbnet.org
> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
> >> for
> >> stylist:
> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/penatwork%40ep
> >> ix
> >> .net
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Writers Division web site
> >> http://www.writers-division.net/
> >> stylist mailing list
> >> stylist at nfbnet.org
> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
> >> for
> >> stylist:
> >>
> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/3rdeyeonly%40g
> >> ma
> >> il.com
> >>
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Writers Division web site
> http://www.writers-division.net/
> stylist mailing list
> stylist at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> stylist:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/penatwork%40epix.
> net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Writers Division web site
> http://www.writers-division.net/
> stylist mailing list
> stylist at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> stylist:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/3rdeyeonly%40gmai
> l.com
>
_______________________________________________
Writers Division web site
http://www.writers-division.net/
stylist mailing list
stylist at nfbnet.org
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
stylist:
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/penatwork%40epix.net
More information about the Stylist
mailing list