[stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level

Mon Feb 11 17:23:57 UTC 2013

How interesting, Barbara! Your "normal" is not normal.  lol  I have read 
about this in the past.

Lynda

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
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Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level

> As a child and young adult, I had color perception but beyond that it's 
> difficult to tell what I could see because I used the little bit very 
> well. I have synesthesia so my spelling is very good because I see letters 
> as colors and memorize the order they should be for certain words. 
> Likewise, Braille contractions have colors, too.  Numbers do too, but I 
> may have a bit of dyslexia when it comes to them because I'm notorious for 
> reversing or getting them out of order in other ways.  Some colors stand 
> out more so I may remember some phone number has a 6 in it but don't know 
> if it came before the 8 or is the last number.  You get my drift I hope.
>
> Funny thing is, it was only a few years ago that I learned I had this. 
> I'd never said anything to anyone so just assumed that everyone saw 
> letters and numbers--and the days of the week and months of the year--as 
> colors.  One of the twins' workers suggested I read "Born on a Blue Day" 
> which is a book that Daniel Tammet, an autistic savant, wrote about his 
> life.  A very fascinating read.  But thn, since my children are autistic, 
> I find autism an interesting topic to read up on.  Their blindness 
> throughs a wrench into that puzzle though but that's for another time.
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
> Poetry is an echo, asking a shadow to dance. -- Carl Sandburg
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Donna Hill
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:57 PM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level
>
> Lynda,
> The truth is that blind kids don't learn either spelling or sentence
> structure unless they read Braille. They may pick up a bit if they think 
> to
> use their screen reader's ability to read letter by letter, but none of us
> think to check all the things we really need. After all, you might hear,
> "Smith" but the spelling is with a y. Studies show that non Braille users
> have not only poor spelling and punctuation, but poor abilities to 
> construct
> their ideas into words. Who cares, though? After all, their blind, what 
> can
> they be expected to do anyway?
>
> The other thing is that the kids who have some reading vision and are 
> forced
> to spend their time laboring over large print and CCTVs learn to hate
> reading. As for visualizing, I am a very visual Braille reader, and having
> once been able to see print, I visualize both the Braille and print 
> letters.
> Studies show that when congenitally blind people read Braille, they are
> activating the visual cortex.
> Donna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda 
> Lambert
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 1:02 PM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level
>
> This is a really good question, Robert.
> I have noticed that so many blind people spell things so wonky, and maybe
> this is why. I always wonder is spelling is  really taught and learned
> visually. I really have no experience with any of the discussion on 
> Braille
> because I do not use it - I do everything with electronics and some things
> with a CCTV.   I have only had sight loss for 5 years, so I really have no
> idea how blind children learn things like spelling, grammar, formatting, 
> and
> punctuation. To me, they are all visual, and it is very hard for me to
> understand it any other way - well, I really don't understand it any other
> way. When I am reading (listening to a voice on a machine) I am still
> listening visually. I see it in my mind, and if I cannot see it that way,
> it's confusing to me.  Auditory skills  would rate very low  for me.
> Everyone has strength in certain skills and ways of learning - and I am a
> Visual learner above all else. That did not change - I still have to be 
> able
> to SEE it to remember it - I have to stop and SEE a picture in my mind
> before it sticks with me.
> Writing and reading, for me, has always been a visual experience.  This
> makes me wonder, can a person who has always been blind be a Visual 
> learner?
>
> And, then, I wonder, how does a blind person visualize things?  These are
> some things I am thinking about and working with a blind painter friend to
> put together an exhibition on how people  see and visualize.
>
> Lynda
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
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> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 9:03 AM
> Subject: [stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level
>
>
>> We were discussing how the impact of what is read is influenced by the
>> reader, themselves (by what they personally bring to the reading-table).
>> And here is an interesting thought or outcome that is happening to too
>> many
>> blind people! First as a baseline thought - the sighted student/reader 
>> who
>> uses print to read literature, educational stuff and the like - they are
>> reading the words themselves, visually scanning, actively processing ---
>> while during this process, the student is being exposed to important
>> "reading related/literacy" features/elements such as: format, 
>> punctuation,
>> spelling, and features like tables, graphs, pictures, etc. Also, along 
>> the
>> same line of literacy, of actively reading for oneself --- The blind
>> reader
>> who has the skill of Braille can get the same basic exposure to content,
>> plus all the important literacy features as - format, punctuation,
>> spelling
>> and the other stuff. However, in today's world, at least in this country,
>> Braille is not being taught as a first-line method of reading for the
>> non-print reader! And yeah, you all have heard this gripe, this warning
>> before. There again my point today is a bit different: My thought,
>> question
>> is --- hey --- picture this- if you could not read print, did not know
>> Braille and could only hear new information, be it a textbook, or poem or
>> piece of prose --- you were not getting exposed to formatting,
>> punctuation,
>> or spelling of anything you heard;
>> And so I ask does this then essentially take the blind person back to the
>> preprint era, back to learning via the oral tradition? Yeah --- what are
>> these teachers thinking? (Another bazaar thought - what do you think 
>> these
>> teachers who are doing this to the blind would do --- if they were to 
>> find
>> that in school their very own sighted children would have print taken 
>> away
>> and their child was restricted to only listening to what was being
>> taught??)
>>
>>
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