[stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU

Mon Jul 1 15:48:54 UTC 2013

JAWS and the voice-over for Apple has different coding in its creation.
They are by different companies and are not created in the same way
though they are intended for a similar function. It's like any program--
it's created with a different set of coding, a different set of rules.
Not all artist create in a same form or genre, nor do all writers pen
material that is the same. The  process is similar with computer
programming. Obviously JAWS doesn't recognize this particular thing
because it's not text or a graphic link. Apple's voice-over has
something different built in it. Although, I wasn't able to access it
either with my IPhone.

Bridgit

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From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda
Lambert
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 6:07 AM
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but yet, it works just fine with a MAC - so that is what is a mystery to
me. Seems like it would be a PC problem - but I know next to nothing
about stuff 
like this so cannot help at all.
Lynda
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From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
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> You can do this only if a graphic link exist. It would appear there's 
> no link or graphic link, therefore JAWS won't work.
>
> If anyone else has tried doing this step Lynda posted with JAWS and 
> knows something I'm not aware of, please enlighten us.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley 
> Bramlett
> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 7:55 PM
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>
>
> Hello,
> FYI, for unlabeled graphic links, you can custom label it. Press 
> insertcontrol tab to do this. But if the link doesn't appear with 
> jaws, noting you can do.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
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>
> It's obviously something JAWS isn't programmed to recognize. Since you

> need to click on the book cover, it's a picture, which JAWS doesn't 
> recognize, and there's no corresponding link or graphic link that JAWS

> will recognize. Clearly the Apple voice-over has been programmed to 
> recognize some kind of coding that JAWS doesn't. I'm not familiar with

> how the Apple voice-over works, but I think it may be more flexible, 
> to an extent, than JAWS. One of our techy people may be able to better

> answer this.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary-Jo

> Lord
> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 5:44 PM
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>
>
> It is something that Jaws isn't seeing or finding, that the Voiceover 
> on the Mac is picking up.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda 
> Lambert
> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:03 PM
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>
> So, I am thinking that the accessibility problem is not amazon, but 
> JAWS that does not allow you to access it on a PC, but does on a MAC?
>
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> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 9:37 AM
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>
>> Hi Linda,
>>
>> I was unable to find this information with Jaws either, but my 
>> sighted
>
>> son was. Then just to see what happens, I used the Mac, and was able 
>> to follow your directions and find the information. I guess I'll be 
>> doing my book browsing with Amazon on my Mac.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda 
>> Lambert
>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 8:00 AM
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>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>
>> ahhhhh, so that is the problem. How in the world have you ordered 
>> books without being able to explore what is inside them? I hope JAWS 
>> is accessable on amazon, and that someone on the list can help you 
>> with it. My directions will work for anyone using Zoom Text - sorry I

>> cannot help with JAWS
> since
>
>> I
>> only use it for reading and writing word documents and for reading 
>> emails.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 1:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>
>>
>>> Lynda,
>>>
>>> As I said, I'm pretty well aquainted with searching on Amazon. Part 
>>> of the issue is that you're not using terms JAWS does. For instance,

>>> you say, "Near the search bar, designate your search for "books" on 
>>> the list to the left of the bar." What this means is that there is a

>>> combo box you can select the category "Books" to find the anthology,

>>> and the edit field is where you type the name of the book. Your 
>>> directions are based on how it's done visually and not with JAWS. 
>>> The
>
>>> terminology is different with JAWS.
>>>
>>> Actually, you can use the H key to navigate the search, and the 
>>> first
>
>>> book that pops up is the current BOE anthology. You can press enter 
>>> on this title to open up more details as well as to purchase the 
>>> book.
>>>
>>> Nonetheless, it doesn't appear this accessible with JAWS. I've had 
>>> my
>
>>> hubby double check too to make sure I'm not crazy. There's no link, 
>>> button, check box, combo box-- nothing stating what you provide in 
>>> your directions. If there was in deed a link titled such, when 
>>> pulling up links list with the insert and F7 keys, it would appear, 
>>> but it does not. Doing a control F to search for anything titled 
>>> this
>
>>> doesn't bring anything up either.
>>>
>>> I think part of the problem is that your directions are for anyone 
>>> doing it visually, and it would appear it's not accessible with JAWS

>>> to access the options you list.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty good with using JAWS and my computer, but my hubby is not

>>> only extremely well-versed with the tool, he's taught JAWS and once 
>>> had his certification in the program. So I'm confident he knows what

>>> he's talking about. We've both spent time looking the page up and 
>>> down with no luck. And from what he can tell visually, there doesn't

>>> seem to be any links above the picture as you state. He's sees links

>>> for an advanced search, new releases and New York Times bestsellers 
>>> but nothing you list.
>>>
>>> When using a mouse, there possibly could be inaccessible menus 
>>> and/or
>
>>> dialogue boxes that open up, but JAWS finds nothing you have listed.

>>> And like I said, when pulling up the links list after finding the 
>>> book, there's no links you say should be there.
>>>
>>> If any JAWS user has better luck, please let me know.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
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