[stylist] New Victor Stream

Mon Jul 1 00:57:23 UTC 2013

Yes, all HP books and films are out. Like I said, the last book was
turned into two movies because of it's length, so there are seven books
but eight movies. The books are on BARD and the movies on Blind Mice, if
you want a descriptive version, but of course, these are just audio
files.

Based on my research, the ABC player is the only TV app that's fully
accessible. Wait, Itake that back, there are a couple of features that
don't seem accessible, but getting onto the app, searching for a show
and watching a show are pretty easy. Other major stations, NBC, Fox and
CBS, don't seem as straight-forward or accessible. You can maneuver the
apps but it can be a little tricky.

I'm honestly not sure if you can learn if a movie is described or not
before placing in a DVD or BlueRay player. I would check the packaging
and try searching it online too. We don't buy many movies because even
if I like one, usually once I see it, I don't really need to see it
again. And when I like something enough to buy it, I don't really care
if it's described or not. We also watch Blind Mice movies too. The
movies we purchase mostly nowadays are kids films like Cinderella and
Tangled and Fox and the Hound, which are for the kids who can see, and
Ross and I have seen a lot of the older kid movies when we had sight, so
even if we wanted to watch it for ourselves, we know what is happening.
And honestly, I don't really struggle much with figuring out what is
happening during a movie. Sometimes I will describe things to Ross, who
has a little useable vision, and I'm usually correct, LOL!

Anyway, this was a very round about way to say I'm not sure.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
Bramlett
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 6:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] New Victor Stream

Bridgit,
Oh, thanks, now I will need to read the harry potter series fully and
watch 
the movies.
I'm glad you confirmed you can copy and paste music files on the sd card
for 
the stream. I could easily do that from my documents within the music 
folder. I do have windows media player so I can rip cds to it. I didn't
realize the last harry potter book was turned into a film; if it 
was 2010, I see why I missed it, I wasn't following films or the style 
section of the paper then.
Is JK rowling still writing fiction stories?
I do love her style of writing and I wonder if I'd like her other books 
other than Mr. Potter.
Nice description of watching tv.
I assumed all major  networks had aps to see their shows. Thanks for
confirming audible books are playable

A bit off topic. but are you able  to know what is audio described on
dvd 
before you buy it or rent it?
For instance if I had a sighted person with me at a red box machine or
went 
online to buy a movie or went to FYE store to buy a dvd,
will it state what is described on the movie container? If so, this
would be 
helpful.
I heard that sony studios are making all their movies described. To
those at convention, have fun. I will listen to the writers meeting 
streamed from home assuming they can stream it.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 6:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] New Victor Stream

Ashley,

You can play Audible books on a Victor. I assume you can play Itunes
dowloaded ones too, but I don't know for sure. I listen to Audible ones
though all the time along with BARD books.

All Harry Potter books have been turned into films. The seventh book was
split into two films, and the final one released in 2010 or 2011. I saw
it at the theatre. All Harry Potter movies are available on Blind Mice
if you want audio description.

My favorite TV shows, which are Homeland, Game of Thrones, How I Met
Your Mother  and Downton Abbey are available on Blind Mice as well. All
current seasons of each are available for download. They don't have many
TV shows thouh, and what they do is usually BBC programming or a few
very popular shows like Homeland. More and more newly released movies
are put on Blind Mice, but more and more movies also have a descriptive
feature you can turn on when purchasing a DVD or BlueRay. You just need
to check if this feature is available on a newer movie.

Some Apps have live streaming, but I just watch stuff via shows that is
available after an air date. So if I miss a show, say  Monday, I an
watch it later.

Television stations have apps you can use on devices like an Iphone.
There a few ABC shows I like to watch while exercising or just for down
time. With the ABC player, or other stations, you can watch episodes if
you miss them, or like me, you can watch them later. With it being
summer, there's not much on TV, but I like to exercise during my General
Hospital. During the TV season, it's nice to watch shows after an air
date if I wish.

I can also watch NetFlix on my phone. Every now and then, Penny, who is
three-and-a-half-years-old, gets to watch one show on NetFlix for a
treat on one of our phones. She's obsessed with Tinkerbell right now and
usually opts for the Tinkerbell movie, grin. This is another thing I
like to exercise to, NetFlix.

And I also have a radio app and will play local stations as well as
certain stations around the country and world. There's a BBC radio
station I like.

While at home, my phone runs on WiFi or at places offering free WiFi.
Otherwise it runs on the Network. We go through Verizon. If traveling,
this is really nice. Not only can I watch movies or shows, I can go
online or chek email if I want.

I don't think a book on CD can be ripped the way a music CD can. To my
knowledge, you can't rip a book CD and digitally place onto another
device like a Victor.

You place music on a SD card the same way you place a book on a Victor.
You copy and paste the file. You can rip music from a CD and put on your
Victor. You will have to use ITunes or Windows Media player to rip it,
but it just creates a file on your computer that you can then copy and
paste on a SD card to play on a Victor. I had an extensive CD collection
before digital music was available, so I've ripped all my old CD's so I
can now play them on my Victor, computer or IPhone.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
Bramlett
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 4:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] New Victor Stream

Bridgit,
Your victor is probably the same model as mine then; I believe mine was
purchased in 2010 at the beginning of the year. When you said "Music
plays louder on the Victor, but books play to quietly without having it
near you or using ear buds.

Usually technology drops in price once newer versions release. For some
reason, Victor's have not followed suit."

I share the concern about the price and yeah its true you can purchase a

netbook or an ipad for the same price or cheaper which can do more than
a victor. Oh, I thought I was the only one who had the issues with the
volume. Music can be heard louder and clearer. I either get near the
thing, use headphones, or use external speakers to hear it. I don't know
what humanware was thinking when they made the volume so low.

Can the victor stream  play audible books or those downloaded from
itunes? I realize itunes gets their books from audible but if you use
itunes, it's a different format. Other than blindness specific books
from bookshare and bard, I'm not sure what formats the vr stream plays.
I would assume it plays commercial downloaded books or those from cds as
long as you put them on the sd card and put them in the right folder.

Also, how do you get music onto the sd card to play in the stream? Can
you simply rip the music from a cd or import the digital files into
windows media player and copy the album into the music folder?

I'd like to watch tv shows on my laptop or movies especially the books I

read that were turned into movies. Has harry potter been made into all
movies? I mean was one movie made yet for every book? I would guess so,
but don't want to assume they finished the movie series. If only I could
find real audio described movies or tv shows; not audio files. I wish
services like itunes or netflix offered these. I assume you watch
streaming tv and audio on websites or via aps.

Does anyone know when the next update to the vr stream is coming out?
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 4:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] New Victor Stream

I'm not sure of the exact model of my Victor. I bought it about five
years ago. The keys are starting to stick a bit, though they started
doing this a couple of years ago, and the volume is the worse thing. If
I use ear buds, it' fine, otherwise I literally have to hold it near my
ear. Music plays louder on the Victor, but books play to quietly without
having it near you or using ear buds.

Usually technology drops in price once newer versions release. For some
reason, Victor's have not followed suit. I do prefer a Victor for
reading and would like a new one, but other purchases currently come
first right now. After all this time, you would think Victor's would be
compareable to other devices. But like most products meant for the
blind, the price is expensive. I can buy an IPad for the amount a Victor
cost. And I just got a new netbook for $250, which is less than a
Victor. So I have an entire computer for less than a Victor. Yes, most
of us need a screenreader or magnification, but I already had a copy.
And there are free screenreaders out there that actually work pretty
well for anyone wanting to not pay the exorbitant amount of money
screenreaders cost.

What I like about the IPhone is I can listen to music, watch movies and
television shows, read books and much more media-orientated things. With
the baby, we don't watch TV or films since children under two shouldn't
be exposed to this, plus we want to encourage other activities. But I
love to work-out to shows I like using the ABC player or watching movies
on my phone.

I don't find touch screen to be as difficult as I once thought, but
unless it's already accessible, you can't really do much to make it
accessible. With tactile buttons, you can label. So until all products
are accessible, touch screen technology isn't great for the entire
masses.

Also, as humans in general, we need to consider what taking away tactile
sensations may mean for us as a species down the road. More and more is
done not allowing us to use our sense of touch, or use it in it's full
capacity. I have to wonder what this will mean for us in the future.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
Bramlett
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 10:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] New Victor Stream

Bridgit,
Which victor do you have? Mine is an old version; not the oldest they
have but close to it. In fact I think it needs a new battery. I am using
a small mp3 player; the ipod nano, which can play audio books

from itunes. I don't know which other books it can play.
The voice is mechanical. If you say the
ipod touch and ipad have better quality voice, you might be right. I
haven't heard them enough to know. I'm sure there are shortcuts to use
the iphone. I am sure with repetetion that one can learn where common
icons are and functions are.

I have memorized some of the layout of the ipod.
I've gotten a bit better with time, but still double tapping the right
icon isn't the easiest thing.

Unfortunately, button products are going away making it less and less a
choice for us. Some mp3 players still have buttons but they are not
talking ones. Some digital recorders have buttons too but few are
accessible; I know olympus has some talking models for which I'll
hopefully have someday.

I'll always prefer a vr stream though versus a touch screen. I sure hope
I can afford the new ones when mine no longer works. Unfortunately, with
new features being added, I don't foresee the price going down. Not even
sure the current price, maybe $350. I agree on the price thing. I know
they need a profit, but since vr streams are the most popular item, it
seems to me they could lower the price and

still make money given the thousands of victors they sell.

Well, anyway, when the new ap comes out from nls, people will have a
choice whether to use a smart phone or a traditional blindness product
such as a victor stream or notetaker.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 12:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] New Victor Stream

Ashley,

Blind or sighted, some find certain products better while others do not
prefer them. Some will pick up things faster while others may struggle
more.

I don't think touch-screen technology is more difficult because of the
double tap itself or the general lay-out. I know many sighted people,
young and old, who can't stand touch-screen devices and are slower when
using them. Then I know several blind people who love their touch screen
devices and are very quick when navigating. So I think it all depends on
the person.

I'm totally blind, and I don't have much trouble with tapping the wrong
icon on my IPhone, but my mom, who is sighted constantly, has trouble
with the touch-screen.

>From your posts, I assume you do not use an IPhone, which is a huge
difference. Like any tool, when used on a regular basis, you grow
familiar and confident with it. Before I had my phone, I didn't think
the touch screen would be very efficient, but now that I use it daily,
I'm pretty capable with it. You learn where certain icons and functions
are so finding them is quicker. You can move icons around so you know
where they are; similar to a computer. And there are navigation tips,
like with JAWS, that make finding items with the voice-over much easier.
For instance, on most pages, quickly swiping a finger continuously to
the left will state what is down and to the left of the page while
swiping it to the right states what is up and to the right of the page.
You can do this until you find what you're looking for. There are a lot
of these short-cut tips to help with the voice-over menu. It's like
JAWS. So many people, including blind people, doubt the efficiency of
the product because you're doing it audibly, using hot keys to
manipulate the computer. Many short-cuts exist allowing for quicker
navigation. Touch screen devices are similar. Until you use it and
familiarize yourself with the product on a regular basis, you don't know
how efficient it will be for you and what is capable with the device.

I'm not suggesting you switch products or one tool is better than
another; I'm simply argueing that no one knows what is possible and
efficient until they attempt something.

And I actually prefer my Victor to read books on. I just don't
understand why I can't find a Victor for a similar price I purchased my
phone for. The financial aspect isn't as great for some for me, but I
budget and save money where I can. And if I can find an accessible
product for a better price, who wouldn't go for that option? And I will
also argue that if you really want something, you can save for it. It
may take a few months or a couple of years, but it is possible. And
before I get hate mail about this statement (grin) let me state that
I've experienced living with rather inflated incomes as well as
wondering where dinner would come from on any given night. So I'm not a
stranger to this issue.

Ultimately, I do believe tactile products are the most efficient, but
once you familiarize yourself with a product, it usually grow more
efficient. And I know both sighted and blind people who use touch screen
devices as quick or quicker than people using tactile devices. So again,
it really depends on the individual.

And as to the quality of the voice... I've not heard the recent versions
of the Victor voices, but my current Victor has a clear voice, though
the few times I've had to read in the text file menu, the voice isn't
always great, but the general Victor voice has a good voice-over sound.
But I think the Apple voice-overs are much better than JAWS or
note-taking devices I've played with. Though my IPod  NANO voice isn't
as great, I will give you. But the IPod touch has a better quality
voice. And the IPad and Apple Macs have better, clearer voices, in my
opinion. Earlier Apple devices may not have as good text-to-speech
voices, but the current products I've played with, have a better quality
that's not as electronic sounding as JAWS.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
Bramlett
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] New Victor Stream

Bridgit,
I understand your point that apple products have text to speech and are
cheaper. That money factor is a huge factor unless you have family
support like I do or you have a state agency purchasing blindness
products. Some people need a consistent layout to use a product and can
actually press a button best when they actually can feel it. I have to
beg to differ on the speech. I've heard voice over on my ipod, the mp3
player, andon iphones from other people. What is tricky is you have to
position your fingers just right on the screen otherwise nothing
happens. That screen is so sensative. I would argue that having heard
the new speech on the victor products, it's a heck of a lot clearer.
There are two, a lady named heather I think, and a male named ryan. I
can understand ryan better. I do not have a new victor stream but do
have a victor stratus which I chose to play daisy cds. Victor voices are
more clear than voiceover! The victor voices are more understandable
than voice over; she sounds so so mechanical and words run together.

Nls will someday have an ap yes. But for now I think a blindness product

whether it be a victor reader or a braille notetaker
is the best option for portable reading of nls books.
But for those loving their touch screens and double tapping everything,
that is fine. We all have different preferences. For me I wanted a mp3
player and had no choice but the apple ipod. But, I cannot tell ya how
many many times I've lifted my finger and tapped the wrong item since
things are so dang

close together.

That said, I've thought of someday trying an iphone and maybe using the
magnification instead of voice or a combo of the two. I know they do
perform many tasks and so many people have them and if I hate it I can
probably trade the phone in for something else.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 6:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] New Victor Stream

But Apple products have the built-in text to speech feature too, and
they are usually cheaper than a Victor.

I was skeptical of using a device with a touch screen too. I was given
an IPhone for my birthday last year, and it took me a couple of weeks to
get use to it. Now I can use it pretty much as quickly as I did with
tactile phones. I do not use Syrie because it' unreliable and not that
helpful. The voice-over is also clearer than JAWS. There is a dictate
feature that works pretty well for texts or emailing if sending larger
amounts of text. I've found this feature to work rather well. Now I
don't like touch screens on computers like IPads, but on a phone, once
you acclimate, it's not that bad. Like anything, you just have to adjust
and use it.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
Bramlett
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] New Victor Stream

Bridgit,
I heard the new one is slimmer and lighter. but haven't seen it yet to
know. I have the old model which I'm happy with except for the volume.
You got to be near it to hear it well unless you use external speakers.

Why prices are not lower as the technology improves, I don't know. Most
technology comes down in price as  it gets further in development, but
not this one. My guess is that perhaps the text to speech software may
be more expensive to put in it causing the price to be raised in order
to make profits. Not even sure how much the new one is. At least now
they do not charge you for extra features in the soft pack! You get
support for .docx files and

itunes when you buy the victor at no additional cost. if
I wanted this, I'd have to purchase the soft pack.

But when NLS has the ap that I heard is coming, people will probably not
buy these expensive products if they can use a smart phone. Me, I am too
frustrated with touch screens and don't have a smart phone. I am much
better off with buttons. I have an ipod and hate the synthetic voice of
voice over and cannot understand some of what it says; it is quite
unclear when it says artists names; further, I find having to listen and
then double tap everything kind of inconvenient; I easily tap the wrong
buttons as they are so dang close together! So, all that said, I'd
rather have a vr stream with real buttons. But for those on a budget,
and who love their iphone or ipad or I touch, I can see them using the
nls on their ios device.

It probably will be out this summer.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] New Victor Stream

Ashley,

Thank you. I'm aware that the lay-out of the new Victor's are the same,
though newest version is suppose to be slimmer. I'm just curious about
the new features such as the WiFi. And I'm more interested in knowin why
Victor's have never come down in price to compete with products like
IPods and IPads that can be purchased for much less, or the same price
but a larger GB.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
Bramlett
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 4:18 PM
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Hi,
although I don't have one, I heard humanware rep describe it on a
podcast. Yes, it works like the old one. In fact the keypad style
buttons are the same shape and distance apart still. It has a different
text to speech synthesizer and another big difference is that you can
charge it with other chargers other than its own and I think it charges
while hooked to the pc. If you are at convention, you can see one hands
on. Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: justin williams
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 12:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] New Victor Stream

How much does it cost, does it work mostly like the old one?  It has wi
fi; how does that work?

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robert
Leslie Newman
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 12:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] New Victor Stream

Bridgit

I have one. Yes, pricey compared to what is coming for us with the
IDevices. I can show you at the next chapter meeting (hope you come).
(Better sound, more volume, Wi-Fi, gives the time and date, smaller in
size. A good unit.

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit
Pollpeter
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 11:55 AM
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Subject: [stylist] New Victor Stream

Wondering if anyone has the newer model of the Victor. And if so, how do
you like it?

I've been curious for so long as to why the Victor's never come down in
price, but Apple products and other devices are either cheaper or the
same price but have bigger GB's or whichever one it is. I can't read
BARD books on my IPhone and IPod, though NLS is working on an app, so
hopefully soon we can, but I can read anything else along withdoing
other things like recording and Y-FY, and my phone was $100 and my Ipod
was $100. My Victor, which was bought 6 years ago, was $350, and I've
yet to see a Victor go below this price. Anyone know why?

Bridgit

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