[stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU

Bridgit Pollpeter bpollpeter at hotmail.com
Mon Jul 1 18:37:23 UTC 2013 

But it's main focus (no pun intended) and one of the top reasons people
choose it is because of it's magnification capabilities. And it's
screenreader, from what I've been told, is not as sophisticated as other
screenreaders. And all the people I know who use Zoom Text and a
screenreader, choose to use Window Eyes or JAWS in conjunction with ZT
instead of it's own text to speech program. Not to say people don't use
it, obviously, but it's mostly used for it's magnification. Screenreader
users, in my experience, prefer other software, even those who also use
magnification.

My point being that if magnification isn't an option, there's not much
use to purchase Zoom Text. And for this specific situation, you appeared
(again, no pun intended) to be doing things visually with magnification
and not using a screenreader at all. So it would seem Zoom Text's
screenreader isn't helpful either with this particular discussion in
terms of what a screenreader can and can not do.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda
Lambert
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 11:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU


Zoom Text is also a screen reader.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU


> But magnification is an entirely different thing than a screenreader, 
> and not everyone has the option to use a magnification tool. Many 
> finding reading text tedious and difficult on the eyes and use both. 
> As I've said before, I've never had a problem with Amazon and JAWS 
> before, and JAWS works quite well for reading, writing and editing, 
> working with and creating Excel docs, most online things, etc. Nothing

> is perfect all the time, and I don't have much experience with other 
> screenreaders, but I rarely have problems with JAWS. If magnification 
> worked for me, perhaps I would use it in tandem with JAWS, but I'm one

> of the many who this isn't an option for. Most websites nowadays work 
> fine with screenreaders, so this isn't a typical problem, at least for

> me. My hubby does have useable vision, but he prefers to use JAWS and,

> for him, finds it more efficient than magnification. Between Braille, 
> JAWS and a little magnification when necessary, he finished university

> and is fully employed. He also spends a lot of time on the computer, 
> ha-ha! And the nerd loves to create Excel spreadsheets just for fun, 
> LOL! He only uses JAWS when doing this.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda 
> Lambert
> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 6:53 AM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>
>
> I am sure GLAD I chose to get ZoomText back when I was making that 
> decision in the rehab program!
> Zoom Text works with everything I have ever tried to use it for - and
it
>
> works perfectly with my PC.
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "P. Campbell" <pcampbell16 at verizon.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 7:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>
>
>> It doesn't work with Window-Eyes either.
>>
>> Phyllis
>>
>> but yet, it works just fine with a MAC - so that is what is a mystery

>> to me.
>> Seems like it would be a PC problem - but I know next to nothing
about
>
>> stuff
>> like this so cannot help at all.
>> Lynda
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <
>> bpollpeter at hotmail.com
>>>
>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <
>> stylist at nfbnet.org
>>>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 9:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>> You can do this only if a graphic link exist. It would appear 
>>> there's
>
>>> no link or graphic link, therefore JAWS won't work.
>>>
>>> If anyone else has tried doing this step Lynda posted with JAWS and 
>>> knows something I'm not aware of, please enlighten us.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Ashley
>
>>> Bramlett
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 7:55 PM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> FYI, for unlabeled graphic links, you can custom label it. Press 
>>> insertcontrol tab to do this. But if the link doesn't appear with 
>>> jaws, noting you can do.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 8:45 PM
>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>>
>>> It's obviously something JAWS isn't programmed to recognize. Since 
>>> you need to click on the book cover, it's a picture, which JAWS 
>>> doesn't recognize, and there's no corresponding link or graphic link

>>> that JAWS will recognize. Clearly the Apple voice-over has been 
>>> programmed to recognize some kind of coding that JAWS doesn't. I'm 
>>> not familiar with how the Apple voice-over works, but I think it may

>>> be more flexible, to an extent, than JAWS. One of our techy people 
>>> may be able to better answer this.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Mary-Jo Lord
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 5:44 PM
>>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>>
>>>
>>> It is something that Jaws isn't seeing or finding, that the 
>>> Voiceover
>
>>> on the Mac is picking up.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda

>>> Lambert
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:03 PM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>>
>>> So, I am thinking that the accessibility problem is not amazon, but 
>>> JAWS that does not allow you to access it on a PC, but does on a 
>>> MAC?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mary-Jo Lord" <
>> mjfingerprints at comcast.net
>>>
>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <
>> stylist at nfbnet.org
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>>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 9:37 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Linda,
>>>>
>>>> I was unable to find this information with Jaws either, but my 
>>>> sighted
>>>
>>>> son was. Then just to see what happens, I used the Mac, and was 
>>>> able
>
>>>> to follow your directions and find the information. I guess I'll be

>>>> doing my book browsing with Amazon on my Mac.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Lynda
>
>>>> Lambert
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 8:00 AM
>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>>>
>>>> ahhhhh, so that is the problem. How in the world have you ordered 
>>>> books without being able to explore what is inside them? I hope 
>>>> JAWS
>
>>>> is accessable on amazon, and that someone on the list can help you 
>>>> with it. My directions will work for anyone using Zoom Text - sorry

>>>> I cannot help with JAWS
>>> since
>>>
>>>> I
>>>> only use it for reading and writing word documents and for reading 
>>>> emails.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <
>> bpollpeter at hotmail.com
>>>
>>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <
>> stylist at nfbnet.org
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>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 1:16 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Toot Toot- CLEAR DIRECTIONS for YOU
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Lynda,
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said, I'm pretty well aquainted with searching on Amazon. 
>>>>> Part
>
>>>>> of the issue is that you're not using terms JAWS does. For 
>>>>> instance, you say, "Near the search bar, designate your search for

>>>>> "books" on the list to the left of the bar." What this means is 
>>>>> that there is a combo box you can select the category "Books" to 
>>>>> find the anthology, and the edit field is where you type the name 
>>>>> of the book. Your directions are based on how it's done visually 
>>>>> and not with JAWS. The
>>>
>>>>> terminology is different with JAWS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, you can use the H key to navigate the search, and the 
>>>>> first
>>>
>>>>> book that pops up is the current BOE anthology. You can press 
>>>>> enter
>
>>>>> on this title to open up more details as well as to purchase the 
>>>>> book.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nonetheless, it doesn't appear this accessible with JAWS. I've had

>>>>> my
>>>
>>>>> hubby double check too to make sure I'm not crazy. There's no 
>>>>> link,
>
>>>>> button, check box, combo box-- nothing stating what you provide in

>>>>> your directions. If there was in deed a link titled such, when 
>>>>> pulling up links list with the insert and F7 keys, it would 
>>>>> appear,
>
>>>>> but it does not. Doing a control F to search for anything titled 
>>>>> this
>>>
>>>>> doesn't bring anything up either.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think part of the problem is that your directions are for anyone

>>>>> doing it visually, and it would appear it's not accessible with 
>>>>> JAWS to access the options you list.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm pretty good with using JAWS and my computer, but my hubby is 
>>>>> not only extremely well-versed with the tool, he's taught JAWS and

>>>>> once had his certification in the program. So I'm confident he 
>>>>> knows what he's talking about. We've both spent time looking the 
>>>>> page up and down with no luck. And from what he can tell visually,

>>>>> there doesn't seem to be any links above the picture as you state.

>>>>> He's sees links for an advanced search, new releases and New York 
>>>>> Times bestsellers but nothing you list.
>>>>>
>>>>> When using a mouse, there possibly could be inaccessible menus 
>>>>> and/or
>>>
>>>>> dialogue boxes that open up, but JAWS finds nothing you have 
>>>>> listed. And like I said, when pulling up the links list after 
>>>>> finding the book, there's no links you say should be there.
>>>>>
>>>>> If any JAWS user has better luck, please let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
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