[stylist] Sweet Justice for poets,RE: history and religion

Mon May 20 02:47:05 UTC 2013

This is wonderful.. Totally understandable for one who thinks in the
deeper sense rather than just hearing the words. Love it. No my
group/class did not address Spoon River. I will definately try my hand
at it and in fact have already had lines come to mind with a
particular person in mind. The only pattern I see is that there are 3
stanzas with 8 lines each. Is this right? ;) Eve

On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Jacqueline Williams
<jackieleepoet at cox.net> wrote:
> Eve,
> Sorry for the delay sending this Spoon River poem. My Outlook acted up and I
> could not send anything. Could only hear the e-mail names.
> "Sweet Justice" was written after my experience with domestic violence, and
> I was moving through the court system at the same time the O.J. trial was
> going on. I knew the outcome well before the verdict . I never even got to
> trial. But it inspired this poem which several people have not understood.
> It traces our system from England, the Supreme Court, and refers to our
> symbol of justice holding the scales in her hands. You may not need the
> explanation, but perhaps some will.
> It was published in the Sandcutters Quarterly in the year of the trial.
> Did your poetry group address the Spoon River poetry?
> Jackie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eve Sanchez
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 9:13 PM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] history and religion
>
> Oh yes. That sounds wonderful. I was one of those freaks watching the
> trial on a daily basis. ;) Thank you also for the Wikipedia. I take a
> poetry class on Monday. Will bring these up for further discussion by
> group. I think I could get into these. Eve
>
> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Jacqueline Williams
> <jackieleepoet at cox.net> wrote:
>> Eve,
>> Bridgit sent you correct information about the book on which following
>> "Spoon River" poetry evolved into more widespread use.
>> I am glad you like the poem. I have copied and will paste a bit more
> history
>> of the "Spoon River." This one does not mention that it is free verse with
>> no necessity for rhyme or meter, though I have done them both ways. If you
>> like to write monologues, or soliloquies, it would be natural to try one.
>> Just make sure your person is speaking from the grave, and not still
> living.
>> I will send you another, at your request,  published, about "Sweet
> Justice,"
>> whom I considered as speaking from the grave after the O.J. trial.
>> Good luck.
>> Jackie
>>
>> Spoon River poetry from Wickopedia. Each following poem is an epitaph of a
>> dead citizen, delivered by the dead themselves. They speak about the sorts
>> of things one might expect: some recite their histories and turning
> points,
>> others make observations of life from the outside, and petty ones complain
>> of the treatment of their graves, while few tell how they really died.
>> Speaking without reason to lie or fear the consequences, they construct a
>> picture of life in their town that is shorn of façades. The interplay of
>> various villagers — e.g. a bright and successful man crediting his parents
>> for all he's accomplished, and an old woman weeping because he is secretly
>> her illegitimate child — forms a gripping, if not pretty, whole.
>> The subject of afterlife receives only the occasional brief mention, and
>> even those seem to be contradictory.
>> The work features such characters as Tom Merritt, Amos Sibley, Carl
> Hamblin,
>> Fiddler Jones and A.D. Blood. Many of the characters that make appearances
>> in Spoon River Anthology were based on real people that Masters knew or
>> heard of in the two towns in which he grew up, Petersburg and Lewistown,
>> Illinois. Most notable is Ann Rutledge, regarded in local legend to be
>> Abraham Lincoln's early love interest though there is no actual proof of
>> such a relationship. Rutledge's grave can still be found in a Petersburg
>> cemetery, and a tour of graveyards in both towns reveals most of the
>> surnames that Masters applied to his characters.
>> Other local legends assert that Masters' fictional portrayal of local
>> residents, often in unflattering light, created a lot of embarrassment and
>> aggravation in his hometown. This is offered as an explanation for why he
>> chose not to settle down in Lewistown or Petersburg.
>> Spoon River Anthology is often used in second year characterization work
> in
>> the Meisner technique
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eve Sanchez
>> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 9:14 PM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] history and religion
>>
>> That was really beautiful. I have never heard of this method, Spoon
>> River. I think I would loke to learn more about it. Do your spaces and
>> breaks have significance? It seems to be a visual form of poetry along
>> with the music to the heart. Thank you so much for sharing this and we
>> will not tell anyone. Good luck on your contest. Eve
>>
>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Jacqueline Williams
>> <jackieleepoet at cox.net> wrote:
>>> Bridgit,
>>> I am fascinated by your perspective, so like my own. I was fortunate to
>> take
>>> a Religions of the World in college, and have added a few since then that
>>> were not addressed, such as Bahai.
>>> Also, I read several books on Anne Bolyn, and just this year wrote a
>> "Spoon
>>> River" poem about her. That is a form that is "a voice from the dead."
>>> I am attaching it. I have submitted to Florida, the NFSPS annual contest,
>> so
>>> I am unsure that I should send it to you. However, perhaps your heredity
>>> takes precedence!
>>> Jackie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit
>>> Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 12:21 PM
>>> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [stylist] history and religion
>>>
>>> Eve,
>>>
>>> What you say is true about Celtic not necessarily pertaining to pagan.
>>> Though past Celtic traditions are deeply rooted to its religious
>>> aspects, so it can be synonymous. I'm interested in a variety of
>>> subjects, history and religion being towards the top. I prefer to learn
>>> about religions from the perspective of a given religion as opposed to
>>> another religion's view of a different perspective. I'm fascinated by
>>> these subjects and the power and struggles religion has played a part of
>>> in world history.
>>>
>>> I minored in history at university, my emphasis being medieval and
>>> Renaissance history. I've always felt compelled to know about the past
>>> and be somehow connected to that past. My husband and I are very into
>>> family trees right now, and we recently discovered that I may be related
>>> to Anne Boleyn, Henry VIII's second wife who was beheaded. I've always
>>> been fascinated by this character and felt more drawn to her than other
>>> of Henry's wives. So that I may be a descendent of hers somehow is
>>> exciting beyond words to me. Yes, I'm a history nerd, grin.
>>>
>>> I think the world, and God, are bigger than anyone can comprehend. I
>>> choose to not place either in a box and try to keep an open mind. I'm
>>> fascinated by learning in general and finding a connection to the past.
>>> I've attempted going back to university to study religion, but my life
>>> doesn't currently afford me this opportunity at this point in time.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 17:23:34 -0700
>>> From: Eve Sanchez <3rdeyeonly at gmail.com>
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>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Harry Potter and Celtic tradition
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>>> hahaha   "Bless you." for sneezing that is. haha   No seriously, I do
>>> not want to say anything that will offend anyone as I so easily could,
>>> but I totally commend you for your understanding and open mindedness. As
>>> for the Celtic ref; I am not most people. Celtic tradition is Pagan, but
>>> Pagan is not necessarily Celtic. That was my point and how I look at
>>> things in life. I know of people who follow the Norse traditions and
>>> though I respect their rights, I do not at all agree with any of the
>>> teachings what so ever. Yes there are similarities in Deity, but that is
>>> about it. It is just not something that I could back. I am just saying
>>> this as an example as to why I say Pagan rather than Celtic unless you
>>> are speaking specifically of the Celtic histories and/or traditions.
>>> But, still, the main thing you should take from this is that I love your
>>> willingness to learn the controversial histories that many Christians
>>> overlook or deny. Kudos. Eve
>>>
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