[stylist] Sweet Justice for poets,RE: history and religion

Eve Sanchez 3rdeyeonly at gmail.com
Tue May 21 03:48:16 UTC 2013 

Thanks. I will post when I get it done. Eve

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Jacqueline Williams
<jackieleepoet at cox.net> wrote:
> Eve,
> No, you do not have to have three stanzas with a certain number of lines.
> For some reason of thought, that is how I wrote mine. I would just let your
> inner voice guide how you break it into stanzas.
> I think I will find more examples myself on Google. If you just label it
> with your subjects name, and perhaps in italics, A voice from the grave, you
> do not even have to call it a spoon River.
> I am excited that you are going to try this.
> Good luck,
> Jackie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eve Sanchez
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 7:47 PM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] Sweet Justice for poets,RE: history and religion
>
> This is wonderful.. Totally understandable for one who thinks in the
> deeper sense rather than just hearing the words. Love it. No my
> group/class did not address Spoon River. I will definately try my hand
> at it and in fact have already had lines come to mind with a
> particular person in mind. The only pattern I see is that there are 3
> stanzas with 8 lines each. Is this right? ;) Eve
>
> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Jacqueline Williams
> <jackieleepoet at cox.net> wrote:
>> Eve,
>> Sorry for the delay sending this Spoon River poem. My Outlook acted up and
> I
>> could not send anything. Could only hear the e-mail names.
>> "Sweet Justice" was written after my experience with domestic violence,
> and
>> I was moving through the court system at the same time the O.J. trial was
>> going on. I knew the outcome well before the verdict . I never even got to
>> trial. But it inspired this poem which several people have not understood.
>> It traces our system from England, the Supreme Court, and refers to our
>> symbol of justice holding the scales in her hands. You may not need the
>> explanation, but perhaps some will.
>> It was published in the Sandcutters Quarterly in the year of the trial.
>> Did your poetry group address the Spoon River poetry?
>> Jackie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eve Sanchez
>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 9:13 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [stylist] history and religion
>>
>> Oh yes. That sounds wonderful. I was one of those freaks watching the
>> trial on a daily basis. ;) Thank you also for the Wikipedia. I take a
>> poetry class on Monday. Will bring these up for further discussion by
>> group. I think I could get into these. Eve
>>
>> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Jacqueline Williams
>> <jackieleepoet at cox.net> wrote:
>>> Eve,
>>> Bridgit sent you correct information about the book on which following
>>> "Spoon River" poetry evolved into more widespread use.
>>> I am glad you like the poem. I have copied and will paste a bit more
>> history
>>> of the "Spoon River." This one does not mention that it is free verse
> with
>>> no necessity for rhyme or meter, though I have done them both ways. If
> you
>>> like to write monologues, or soliloquies, it would be natural to try one.
>>> Just make sure your person is speaking from the grave, and not still
>> living.
>>> I will send you another, at your request,  published, about "Sweet
>> Justice,"
>>> whom I considered as speaking from the grave after the O.J. trial.
>>> Good luck.
>>> Jackie
>>>
>>> Spoon River poetry from Wickopedia. Each following poem is an epitaph of
> a
>>> dead citizen, delivered by the dead themselves. They speak about the
> sorts
>>> of things one might expect: some recite their histories and turning
>> points,
>>> others make observations of life from the outside, and petty ones
> complain
>>> of the treatment of their graves, while few tell how they really died.
>>> Speaking without reason to lie or fear the consequences, they construct a
>>> picture of life in their town that is shorn of façades. The interplay of
>>> various villagers — e.g. a bright and successful man crediting his
> parents
>>> for all he's accomplished, and an old woman weeping because he is
> secretly
>>> her illegitimate child — forms a gripping, if not pretty, whole.
>>> The subject of afterlife receives only the occasional brief mention, and
>>> even those seem to be contradictory.
>>> The work features such characters as Tom Merritt, Amos Sibley, Carl
>> Hamblin,
>>> Fiddler Jones and A.D. Blood. Many of the characters that make
> appearances
>>> in Spoon River Anthology were based on real people that Masters knew or
>>> heard of in the two towns in which he grew up, Petersburg and Lewistown,
>>> Illinois. Most notable is Ann Rutledge, regarded in local legend to be
>>> Abraham Lincoln's early love interest though there is no actual proof of
>>> such a relationship. Rutledge's grave can still be found in a Petersburg
>>> cemetery, and a tour of graveyards in both towns reveals most of the
>>> surnames that Masters applied to his characters.
>>> Other local legends assert that Masters' fictional portrayal of local
>>> residents, often in unflattering light, created a lot of embarrassment
> and
>>> aggravation in his hometown. This is offered as an explanation for why he
>>> chose not to settle down in Lewistown or Petersburg.
>>> Spoon River Anthology is often used in second year characterization work
>> in
>>> the Meisner technique
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eve
> Sanchez
>>> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 9:14 PM
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>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] history and religion
>>>
>>> That was really beautiful. I have never heard of this method, Spoon
>>> River. I think I would loke to learn more about it. Do your spaces and
>>> breaks have significance? It seems to be a visual form of poetry along
>>> with the music to the heart. Thank you so much for sharing this and we
>>> will not tell anyone. Good luck on your contest. Eve
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Jacqueline Williams
>>> <jackieleepoet at cox.net> wrote:
>>>> Bridgit,
>>>> I am fascinated by your perspective, so like my own. I was fortunate to
>>> take
>>>> a Religions of the World in college, and have added a few since then
> that
>>>> were not addressed, such as Bahai.
>>>> Also, I read several books on Anne Bolyn, and just this year wrote a
>>> "Spoon
>>>> River" poem about her. That is a form that is "a voice from the dead."
>>>> I am attaching it. I have submitted to Florida, the NFSPS annual
> contest,
>>> so
>>>> I am unsure that I should send it to you. However, perhaps your heredity
>>>> takes precedence!
>>>> Jackie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit
>>>> Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 12:21 PM
>>>> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [stylist] history and religion
>>>>
>>>> Eve,
>>>>
>>>> What you say is true about Celtic not necessarily pertaining to pagan.
>>>> Though past Celtic traditions are deeply rooted to its religious
>>>> aspects, so it can be synonymous. I'm interested in a variety of
>>>> subjects, history and religion being towards the top. I prefer to learn
>>>> about religions from the perspective of a given religion as opposed to
>>>> another religion's view of a different perspective. I'm fascinated by
>>>> these subjects and the power and struggles religion has played a part of
>>>> in world history.
>>>>
>>>> I minored in history at university, my emphasis being medieval and
>>>> Renaissance history. I've always felt compelled to know about the past
>>>> and be somehow connected to that past. My husband and I are very into
>>>> family trees right now, and we recently discovered that I may be related
>>>> to Anne Boleyn, Henry VIII's second wife who was beheaded. I've always
>>>> been fascinated by this character and felt more drawn to her than other
>>>> of Henry's wives. So that I may be a descendent of hers somehow is
>>>> exciting beyond words to me. Yes, I'm a history nerd, grin.
>>>>
>>>> I think the world, and God, are bigger than anyone can comprehend. I
>>>> choose to not place either in a box and try to keep an open mind. I'm
>>>> fascinated by learning in general and finding a connection to the past.
>>>> I've attempted going back to university to study religion, but my life
>>>> doesn't currently afford me this opportunity at this point in time.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 17:23:34 -0700
>>>> From: Eve Sanchez <3rdeyeonly at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Harry Potter and Celtic tradition
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>>>> hahaha   "Bless you." for sneezing that is. haha   No seriously, I do
>>>> not want to say anything that will offend anyone as I so easily could,
>>>> but I totally commend you for your understanding and open mindedness. As
>>>> for the Celtic ref; I am not most people. Celtic tradition is Pagan, but
>>>> Pagan is not necessarily Celtic. That was my point and how I look at
>>>> things in life. I know of people who follow the Norse traditions and
>>>> though I respect their rights, I do not at all agree with any of the
>>>> teachings what so ever. Yes there are similarities in Deity, but that is
>>>> about it. It is just not something that I could back. I am just saying
>>>> this as an example as to why I say Pagan rather than Celtic unless you
>>>> are speaking specifically of the Celtic histories and/or traditions.
>>>> But, still, the main thing you should take from this is that I love your
>>>> willingness to learn the controversial histories that many Christians
>>>> overlook or deny. Kudos. Eve
>>>>
>>>>
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