[stylist] Making recordings of new stuff Re: lines on a page

Robert's Cox email newmanrl at cox.net
Thu Mar 6 21:46:27 UTC 2014 

Jim

MMM, after reading my answer, and if I didn't understand your message, write back.

but I'm saying- make a recording with you sitting at your computer with the system volume up, so we can hear both you talking and the computer performing whatever keystroke you give it, and/or   we are hearing text or menu labels, etc. It would be as if we are sitting in the room with you.




Sent from my iPad
Robert Leslie Newman

Personal website: http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
President, NFB Writers' Division
Website: http://writers.nfb.org
Chair, NFB Communications Committee
First Vice President, NFB Omaha Chapter
Vice President, Nebraska NFB Senior Division
Commissioner, Nebraska Commission for the Blind and Visually Impaired 

> On Mar 6, 2014, at 2:39 PM, "Homme, James" <james.homme at highmark.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> How do I get input from me and input from JAWS into the file?
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robert's Cox email
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 3:14 PM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
> 
> Jim
> 
> Do you have a recorder that can produce an MP3 file? If so, there are several options: Put the file in dropbox, and send out an email with a link back to it, and pople can listen to it. You could even send to people who request it.  
> 
> Or...hey you all, we could use this opportunity to learn new stuff at our next telephone gathering! We could present several different topic; some featuring JAWS or another screenreader that has special features. Or, what is being shown  is not related to special blind-guy software, but on the main stream software, as in Word, or PowerPoint, etc. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> Robert Leslie Newman
> Personal website: http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
> President, NFB Writers' Division
> Website: http://writers.nfb.org
> Chair, NFB Communications Committee
> First Vice President, NFB Omaha Chapter
> Vice President, Nebraska NFB Senior Division
> Commissioner, Nebraska Commission for the Blind and Visually Impaired 
> 
>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 1:52 PM, "Homme, James" <james.homme at highmark.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> JAWS has some very helpful options. Does anyone know someone who can help me learn to do a pod cast? I can demonstrate. I think this kind of thing is going to be better if it is explained and demonstrated audibly.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Applebutter Hill
>> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 2:20 PM
>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>> 
>> Agreed, now if only Jaws would cooperate *grin*
>> Donna
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Homme, James
>> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 6:49 AM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>> 
>> Hi,
>> The SmashWords Style Guide is actually a pretty good document about how to
>> do things properly in Word.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Applebutter
>> Hill
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 7:05 PM
>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>> 
>> Bridgit,
>> I think the term Style Guide is creating confusion. The Smashword Style
>> Guide is not even remotely related to  the Style Guides of the Associated
>> Press, Elements of Style, etc.
>> 
>> For Smashwords, Style has to do with how the material is put into the form
>> the writer wants. What you, as a reader, see on the page can get there
>> through several methods. If something is to be boldfaced, for instance, you
>> can do that with Control+b, you can go into the paragraph dialog and do it,
>> or you can create what MS Word calls a Style. The end result for the reader
>> is the same, but the underlying integrity of the document in terms of how it
>> will respond to being put through a software program designed to make 7
>> file-types from one, is the issue.
>> Donna
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit
>> Pollpeter
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 5:17 PM
>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>> 
>> Sites like SmashWords may have a specific style guide they want you to
>> follow, but in the realm of traditional style guides (MLA, APA, Chicago
>> Manual, etc.) they will not necessarily have a specific word length, but
>> they will detail how to format and structure and cite within that guide for
>> whatever length of whatever type of writing you are doing.
>> SmashWords and other self-publishing forums are an entirely different
>> situation. Like a literary publication, I'm sure they have a specific format
>> in which they want you to submit, so of course, you would want to follow
>> their guidelines. But when you say writing style guide, it makes me assume
>> you mean one of the many I listed previously, and other writing guides. It's
>> not exactly the same thing. What SmashWords wants is different, I assume,
>> than what MLA or APA will state, of course unless they state they want you
>> to follow a guide like that.
>> 
>> I currently have no interest in self-publishing, though I wouldn't rule it
>> out. And if I did opt for this choice, I would study and follow what the
>> publisher wants exactly.
>> 
>> Bridgit
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Applebutter
>> Hill
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 5:52 PM
>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>> 
>> 
>> Bridgit,
>> If you want to publish through Smashwords, you'd better read their style
>> guide and ignore everything else. They take a .doc and spin it around in
>> their digital "Meatgrinder" till 7 e-book formats come out. They insist upon
>> people following their style guide, because it's the only way they can make
>> all of those formats acceptible to all of the many e-book sellers. Nook has
>> their little quirks which are different from Baker and Taylor, which are
>> different from all the others for the most part. Of course, you can submit
>> something and it might fly for the Smashwords site itself, but that doesn't
>> get you any advanced distribution. The whole point of Smashwords is to get
>> your book out there on as many different platforms as possible without
>> actually having to create an account and upload everything yourself. So,
>> again I say, download and read the Smashwords Style Guide. Donna
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit
>> Pollpeter
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:52 PM
>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>> 
>> It depends on what style guide you use; there are several. But the length of
>> a book isn't really a style guide thing; it's more a general writing thing.
>> 
>> Bridgit
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Applebutter
>> Hill
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 12:34 PM
>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>> 
>> 
>> Jim,
>> I would read the Style guide. I know that someone out there has a minimum
>> word count, but I don't remember who. Donna
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Homme, James
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 8:22 AM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I think I may try to make a short book to see if this works, rather than put
>> someone else through this. I'm a little concerned, though, because I've
>> never written anything longer than articles. I have  a lot of material,
>> though, because  I compiled some files about the subject on which I want to
>> do the book. Do you think it would be OK to do a book that is 50 pages or
>> less?
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Applebutter
>> Hill
>> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 4:13 PM
>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>> 
>> Jim,
>> Have you read the Smashwords style guide? It's been a year for me, and I
>> don't have a new book to publish yet, but I'd want to make double sure that
>> the Style Guide doesn't preclude using this format. Sorry I don't have time
>> to go through it again at this time. Donna Donna
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Homme, James
>> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 2:22 PM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>> 
>> Hi People,
>> Would someone who understands SmashWords like to try something with me?
>> Let me explain.
>> 
>> I'm very excited that I may have stumbled upon something that will help us
>> both create accessible HTML and Word documents, plus get them ready for
>> SmashWords. And it's a thing that is 100 percent accessible. The process is
>> a little drawn out, but I think that in the long term, very nice. Let me
>> explain.
>> 
>> Briefly, there is a mark-up system called Txt2tags. It's a way to write
>> plain text documents and then have a little program turn them into HTML or
>> XHTML, among other formats, and then import them into Word, hopefully, with
>> all the styles created by Word automatically without you having to do
>> anything, and then you save in the format you need.
>> 
>> Oh, of course, you also  would want to spell check and all that stuff, but I
>> should hopefully assume that you writer people would do that.
>> 
>> Now, to take my foot back out of my mouth. Hmmm.
>> 
>> OK. I can't explain it all in this e-mail. The basic idea is to mark up your
>> plain text document and then feed it to the script. Then, look at it in your
>> web browser, and correct in your text editor until you get a very nice
>> document by altering the text, running the script, and checking in your
>> browser.
>> 
>> Here is what some of the mark-up looks like. Note that spaces matter, so for
>> headings, you have to leave a single space between the right most mark and
>> the line end character. Here goes.
>> 
>> = Title of Document =
>> == Subsection Under Document Title ==
>> === Third Level Down ===
>> This can go down to heading level five without changing the script. I'm
>> pretty sure I can give you what you need if you want to cover all the
>> heading levels in HTML and get down to level 6.
>> 
>> OK. Here is more.
>> 
>> - This is the first item in a bulleted list
>> - This is the second item, and the below line closes the list.
>> -
>> 
>> + Here is the first item in a numbered list.
>> + This is the second.
>> + This is the third, and the next item closes the list.
>> +
>> 
>> This link automatically gets turned into a web link that you can click.
>> http://www.nfb.org/.
>> 
>> When you use a blank line, you automatically get a paragraph break.
>> 
>> **Here is some bold text**.
>> 
>> //Here is some italic text//.
>> 
>> And, if you need to do so, you can do tables, but I'm not going to do them
>> here.
>> 
>> --So strike that idea--.
>> 
>> You can also do numbered headings, like 1., 1.1, 2.1, and all.
>> 
>> They also let you do definition lists and terms.
>> 
>> For nested lists, they want you to indent with tabs, but I am working on a
>> totally accessible replacement, because screen readers are bad at reading
>> tab characters on the fly. It shouldn't be too hard.
>> 
>> If you would have to do some sort of scholarly paper, I'm unsure if this
>> thing can be made to do footnotes and end notes, but I know that I can
>> create a way to do the HTML citation tag.
>> 
>> So who wants to experiment?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Applebutter
>> Hill
>> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 12:39 PM
>> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>> 
>> Jim,
>> You make an excellent point about tabbing being the wrong thing to do.
>> If people want to self-publish through Smashwords, for instance, you won't
>> get approved for their free advanced distribution option if you have tabs or
>> hidden bookmarks in your book. It's best to get over using that and into the
>> habit of using Styles.  I never used tabs, just set up each document with
>> the paragraph and font dialogs. I wish I had started learning Styles before
>> I was already in the publishing process. *grin* Donna
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Homme, James
>> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 7:54 AM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>> 
>> Hi Atty,
>> If you want to change the Normal style so that it indents the first line of
>> every paragraph, which is the correct way to do things, that is possible.
>> You can also make your own style that has indent for the first line. I just
>> checked my Normal style, though, and it already indents the first line by 48
>> pixels. I don't know that the translation is in inches.
>> Tell me what Word version you have, and I'll get you instructions. The wrong
>> thing to do is to press TAB to indent.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Atty Rose
>> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 11:54 AM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: [stylist] lines on a page
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> How do I check how many lines in a page and how far down the page I am with
>> word 2007?
>> 
>> How do I get word 2007 to indent the first line on my paragraphs?
>> 
>> How can I check how many lines between paragraphs?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Atty
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writers Division web site
>> http://writers.nfb.org/
>> stylist mailing list
>> stylist at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> stylist:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/james.homme%40highm
>> ark.
>> com
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> 
>> This e-mail and any attachments to it are confidential and are intended
>> solely for use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.
>> If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender
>> immediately and then delete it. If you are not the intended recipient, you
>> must not keep, use, disclose, copy or distribute this e-mail without the
>> author's prior permission. The views expressed in this e-mail message do not
>> necessarily represent the views of Highmark, its diversified business, or
>> affiliates.
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writers Division web site
>> http://writers.nfb.org/
>> stylist mailing list
>> stylist at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> stylist:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/applebutterhill%40g
>> mail
>> .com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writers Division web site
>> http://writers.nfb.org/
>> stylist mailing list
>> stylist at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> stylist:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/james.homme%40highm
>> ark.
>> com
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writers Division web site
>> http://writers.nfb.org/
>> stylist mailing list
>> stylist at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> stylist:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/applebutterhill%40g
>> mail
>> .com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writers Division web site
>> http://writers.nfb.org/
>> stylist mailing list
>> stylist at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> stylist:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/james.homme%40highm
>> ark.
>> com
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writers Division web site
>> http://writers.nfb.org/
>> stylist mailing list
>> stylist at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> stylist:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/applebutterhill%40g
>> mail
>> .com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writers Division web site
>> http://writers.nfb.org/
>> stylist mailing list
>> stylist at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> stylist:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/bpollpeter%40hotmai
>> l.com
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writers Division web site
>> http://writers.nfb.org/
>> stylist mailing list
>> stylist at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> stylist:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/applebutterhill%40g
>> mail
>> .com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writers Division web site
>> http://writers.nfb.org/
>> stylist mailing list
>> stylist at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> stylist:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/bpollpeter%40hotmai
>> l.com
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writers Division web site
>> http://writers.nfb.org/
>> stylist mailing list
>> stylist at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> stylist:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/applebutterhill%40gmail
>> .com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writers Division web site
>> http://writers.nfb.org/
>> stylist mailing list
>> stylist at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> stylist:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/james.homme%40highmark.
>> com
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writers Division web site
>> http://writers.nfb.org/
>> stylist mailing list
>> stylist at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> stylist:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/applebutterhill%40gmail
>> .com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writers Division web site
>> http://writers.nfb.org/
>> stylist mailing list
>> stylist at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for stylist:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/james.homme%40highmark.com
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writers Division web site
>> http://writers.nfb.org/
>> stylist mailing list
>> stylist at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for stylist:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/newmanrl%40cox.net
> _______________________________________________
> Writers Division web site
> http://writers.nfb.org/
> stylist mailing list
> stylist at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for stylist:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/james.homme%40highmark.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Writers Division web site
> http://writers.nfb.org/
> stylist mailing list
> stylist at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for stylist:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/stylist_nfbnet.org/newmanrl%40cox.net

More information about the Stylist mailing list