[stylist] lines on a page

Thu Mar 6 23:05:51 UTC 2014

Jim,
I think it would. I'd just be careful that you and Jaws aren't talking at
the same time.
Donna

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From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Homme, James
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 3:40 PM
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Hi,
Sorry for all the e-mails, but I just thought of something. I could do the
recording with a little digital recorder I have, using the built-in mike to
record my voice and the PC speaker, and then clean it up. Would that work?

Thanks.

Jim

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Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 3:14 PM
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Jim

Do you have a recorder that can produce an MP3 file? If so, there are
several options: Put the file in dropbox, and send out an email with a link
back to it, and pople can listen to it. You could even send to people who
request it.

Or...hey you all, we could use this opportunity to learn new stuff at our
next telephone gathering! We could present several different topic; some
featuring JAWS or another screenreader that has special features. Or, what
is being shown  is not related to special blind-guy software, but on the
main stream software, as in Word, or PowerPoint, etc.

Sent from my iPad
Robert Leslie Newman
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First Vice President, NFB Omaha Chapter
Vice President, Nebraska NFB Senior Division Commissioner, Nebraska
Commission for the Blind and Visually Impaired

> On Mar 6, 2014, at 1:52 PM, "Homme, James" <james.homme at highmark.com>
wrote:
>
> Hi Donna,
> JAWS has some very helpful options. Does anyone know someone who can help
me learn to do a pod cast? I can demonstrate. I think this kind of thing is
going to be better if it is explained and demonstrated audibly.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Applebutter Hill
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 2:20 PM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
> Agreed, now if only Jaws would cooperate *grin* Donna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Homme,
> James
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 6:49 AM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
> Hi,
> The SmashWords Style Guide is actually a pretty good document about
> how to do things properly in Word.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Applebutter Hill
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 7:05 PM
> To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
> Bridgit,
> I think the term Style Guide is creating confusion. The Smashword
> Style Guide is not even remotely related to  the Style Guides of the
> Associated Press, Elements of Style, etc.
>
> For Smashwords, Style has to do with how the material is put into the
> form the writer wants. What you, as a reader, see on the page can get
> there through several methods. If something is to be boldfaced, for
> instance, you can do that with Control+b, you can go into the
> paragraph dialog and do it, or you can create what MS Word calls a
> Style. The end result for the reader is the same, but the underlying
> integrity of the document in terms of how it will respond to being put
> through a software program designed to make 7 file-types from one, is the
issue.
> Donna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit
> Pollpeter
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 5:17 PM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
> Sites like SmashWords may have a specific style guide they want you to
> follow, but in the realm of traditional style guides (MLA, APA,
> Chicago Manual, etc.) they will not necessarily have a specific word
> length, but they will detail how to format and structure and cite
> within that guide for whatever length of whatever type of writing you are
doing.
> SmashWords and other self-publishing forums are an entirely different
> situation. Like a literary publication, I'm sure they have a specific
> format in which they want you to submit, so of course, you would want
> to follow their guidelines. But when you say writing style guide, it
> makes me assume you mean one of the many I listed previously, and
> other writing guides. It's not exactly the same thing. What SmashWords
> wants is different, I assume, than what MLA or APA will state, of
> course unless they state they want you to follow a guide like that.
>
> I currently have no interest in self-publishing, though I wouldn't
> rule it out. And if I did opt for this choice, I would study and
> follow what the publisher wants exactly.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Applebutter Hill
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 5:52 PM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
>
> Bridgit,
> If you want to publish through Smashwords, you'd better read their
> style guide and ignore everything else. They take a .doc and spin it
> around in their digital "Meatgrinder" till 7 e-book formats come out.
> They insist upon people following their style guide, because it's the
> only way they can make all of those formats acceptible to all of the
> many e-book sellers. Nook has their little quirks which are different
> from Baker and Taylor, which are different from all the others for the
> most part. Of course, you can submit something and it might fly for
> the Smashwords site itself, but that doesn't get you any advanced
> distribution. The whole point of Smashwords is to get your book out
> there on as many different platforms as possible without actually
> having to create an account and upload everything yourself. So, again
> I say, download and read the Smashwords Style Guide. Donna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit
> Pollpeter
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:52 PM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
> It depends on what style guide you use; there are several. But the
> length of a book isn't really a style guide thing; it's more a general
writing thing.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Applebutter Hill
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 12:34 PM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
>
> Jim,
> I would read the Style guide. I know that someone out there has a
> minimum word count, but I don't remember who. Donna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Homme,
> James
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 8:22 AM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
> Hi,
> I think I may try to make a short book to see if this works, rather
> than put someone else through this. I'm a little concerned, though,
> because I've never written anything longer than articles. I have  a
> lot of material, though, because  I compiled some files about the
> subject on which I want to do the book. Do you think it would be OK to
> do a book that is 50 pages or less?
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Applebutter Hill
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 4:13 PM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
> Jim,
> Have you read the Smashwords style guide? It's been a year for me, and
> I don't have a new book to publish yet, but I'd want to make double
> sure that the Style Guide doesn't preclude using this format. Sorry I
> don't have time to go through it again at this time. Donna Donna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Homme,
> James
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 2:22 PM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
> Hi People,
> Would someone who understands SmashWords like to try something with me?
> Let me explain.
>
> I'm very excited that I may have stumbled upon something that will
> help us both create accessible HTML and Word documents, plus get them
> ready for SmashWords. And it's a thing that is 100 percent accessible.
> The process is a little drawn out, but I think that in the long term,
> very nice. Let me explain.
>
> Briefly, there is a mark-up system called Txt2tags. It's a way to
> write plain text documents and then have a little program turn them
> into HTML or XHTML, among other formats, and then import them into
> Word, hopefully, with all the styles created by Word automatically
> without you having to do anything, and then you save in the format you
need.
>
> Oh, of course, you also  would want to spell check and all that stuff,
> but I should hopefully assume that you writer people would do that.
>
> Now, to take my foot back out of my mouth. Hmmm.
>
> OK. I can't explain it all in this e-mail. The basic idea is to mark
> up your plain text document and then feed it to the script. Then, look
> at it in your web browser, and correct in your text editor until you
> get a very nice document by altering the text, running the script, and
> checking in your browser.
>
> Here is what some of the mark-up looks like. Note that spaces matter,
> so for headings, you have to leave a single space between the right
> most mark and the line end character. Here goes.
>
> = Title of Document =
> == Subsection Under Document Title ==
> === Third Level Down ===
> This can go down to heading level five without changing the script.
> I'm pretty sure I can give you what you need if you want to cover all
> the heading levels in HTML and get down to level 6.
>
> OK. Here is more.
>
> - This is the first item in a bulleted list
> - This is the second item, and the below line closes the list.
> -
>
> + Here is the first item in a numbered list.
> + This is the second.
> + This is the third, and the next item closes the list.
> +
>
> This link automatically gets turned into a web link that you can click.
> http://www.nfb.org/.
>
> When you use a blank line, you automatically get a paragraph break.
>
> **Here is some bold text**.
>
> //Here is some italic text//.
>
> And, if you need to do so, you can do tables, but I'm not going to do
> them here.
>
> --So strike that idea--.
>
> You can also do numbered headings, like 1., 1.1, 2.1, and all.
>
> They also let you do definition lists and terms.
>
> For nested lists, they want you to indent with tabs, but I am working
> on a totally accessible replacement, because screen readers are bad at
> reading tab characters on the fly. It shouldn't be too hard.
>
> If you would have to do some sort of scholarly paper, I'm unsure if
> this thing can be made to do footnotes and end notes, but I know that
> I can create a way to do the HTML citation tag.
>
> So who wants to experiment?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Applebutter Hill
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 12:39 PM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
> Jim,
> You make an excellent point about tabbing being the wrong thing to do.
> If people want to self-publish through Smashwords, for instance, you
> won't get approved for their free advanced distribution option if you
> have tabs or hidden bookmarks in your book. It's best to get over
> using that and into the habit of using Styles.  I never used tabs,
> just set up each document with the paragraph and font dialogs. I wish
> I had started learning Styles before I was already in the publishing
> process. *grin* Donna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Homme,
> James
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 7:54 AM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] lines on a page
>
> Hi Atty,
> If you want to change the Normal style so that it indents the first
> line of every paragraph, which is the correct way to do things, that is
possible.
> You can also make your own style that has indent for the first line. I
> just checked my Normal style, though, and it already indents the first
> line by 48 pixels. I don't know that the translation is in inches.
> Tell me what Word version you have, and I'll get you instructions. The
> wrong thing to do is to press TAB to indent.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Atty
> Rose
> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 11:54 AM
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> Subject: [stylist] lines on a page
>
> Hi folks,
>
> How do I check how many lines in a page and how far down the page I am
> with word 2007?
>
> How do I get word 2007 to indent the first line on my paragraphs?
>
> How can I check how many lines between paragraphs?
>
> Thanks!
> Atty
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