[stylist] Changing subject when responding
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
bkpollpeter at gmail.com
Wed Aug 5 18:03:56 UTC 2015
Eve,
You make a great point, and I'm guilty of doing it. I often respond to a
post without double checking if the subject needs to be changed. If we all
were more cognizant of this, we may end up with less issues when it comes to
discussions of any kind. Personally, I will try, smile.
Bridgit
-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of EvaMarie
Sanchez via stylist
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 11:03 AM
To: Writers' Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Cc: EvaMarie Sanchez <3rdeyeonly at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [stylist] writer or write not
Thank you Jackie. I especially liked the line "I must reject your saintly
brother saying you would go to Hell."
I do hate being preached at and I really hate it when people who think they
are being so generous with their teachings that they actually become hateful
to the loved ones that we mourn.
I know now that you understand this well.
Now I am going to be picky.
It also bugs me when people do not follow the thread and read what they want
into a subject so that they could manipulate it to their purposes. I think
this is what causes the issues of people reading things that they do not
want to read, they go by the existing subject line and do not realize that
people have completely changed things. There are some great followers who,
when they are altering the subject, they start a new thread. There are those
who will continue on down and 75 posts later find that it has changed
subject multiple times. Partly because they did not actually understand the
initial purpose of original post.
You have no problem with this.
And sorry if my words sound rude to someone, but I never intended for this
thread to be a discussion, again, of what we should or should not post and
discuss on Stylist. It was a recognition of how close many of us have become
through our sharing and the supportive relationships that have been built.
Sorry if I was not clear in my original, and perhaps brought on this, but I
want people to stop focusing on the negative and get back to sharing.
Sharing is what makes us strong.
Eve
President, National Federation of the Blind Northern Arizona President,
National Federation of the Blind Writers' Division Committee Chair, Arizona
Association of Guide Dog Users Affiliate Member, National Federation of the
Blind Legislative Committee Affiliate Member, National Federation of the
Blind Membership Committee Member, Slate & Style Editing Team
"You do not need to have vision to see the stars."
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 7:16 AM, Jackie Williams via stylist <
stylist at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Eva,
> What you say is so true. I felt drawn into a circle of caring people
> who protected me from feeling isolated and even guilty though I could
> only speculate on the reasons why.
> Now, I am encouraged to keep participating and will know that my,
> sometime, off the wall thoughts will not offend. I sometimes
> over-react to extended religious or political tomes, and want to
> respond in kind. but again, I realize that comes from childhood
> conditioning and is always something to be tested, questioned and to
> me, that is the time to write a poem or a story about it.
> In this mode, one can truly understand the value, motive, and the deep
> feelings about one's belief system without feeling "preached " to
> about it, or the built-in judgementalism.
> And so I am cutting and pasting in a poem I have just entered in the
> League of Minnesota contest. A first in sharing something that has not
> been published before, because I trust all of you.
>
> 7. Helen Papas Memorial Award Jacqueline Williams
> 1431 W. 7th Pl.
> Mesa,
> AZ
> 85201
>
> jackieleepoet at cox.net
>
> Nonmember of LOMP
>
>
> An Ever-present Past
>
> Strange that I became your mother in my teens until I was a mother to
> my own.
> Though miles away and years apart, I never cut the cord.
> Not many knew I lived through you
> and felt that I could do as well as you in art and poetry, if I could
> find the key I thought you'd left for me.
>
> I came to be the slow and measured child.
> I was your trusted friend, and dreamed with you- your lap, my haven in
> our house of disarray.
> Held tight, you painted with your other hand, made me a part of your
> creations.
> I turned away from stirrings in my youth.
> With talents running wild, I knew a competition could ensue.
>
> You had your way at home with all the dangers, joys and its birdsongs.
> I did not shed my daughterhood. I fumbled for a way to share your
> crumbling life by being there in later years.
> Your last deluded nightmare caused a pain I can't forget.
>
> I keep you close remembering the ride, the moving in and out- a boat
> that seeks the shore in some wild tide.
> Your recitations, as a poet with no sight, brought gasps.
> One hand would grasp the finger of the other, prod each line until a
> stanza was complete. Your memory tool.
>
> They say I must let go and auction off your photographs, the
> paintings, written words, the thoughts that only you could know about
> yourself-and still unread or said by me.
>
> Mother, my guide, for months I stroked the velvet of your face.
> Now I find no place to hide or fill your space.
> I slept on your couch, the one you did not want to leave at night.
> I cannot exorcise the memory of your final fight when you felt exiled
> to the bedroom where your terrors laid in wait.
>
>
> (stanza break)
> As one of three inheritors, I am the keeper of your name.
>
> "They" do not know the time it takes to heal an amputated limb.
> With your life gone to me, will I be able to exist alone?
> Will I be me without the you I knew, or just another name?
>
> I must reject your saintly brother saying you would go to Hell.
> I will not tolerate the ones who preached to you-not knowing you- a
> grain of sand, the irritant to family who would isolate you well.
> A rare pearl grew in the oyster shell of your home's cold hell.
>
> In life, no one could buy or sell your need. In death, you do belong
> to us, no auctioneer, no highest bidder for the self you left to me. I
> only trust the ones who shed an honest tear.
>
> Now I write and read and write becoming strong- directing life, and
> so I finally understand why no one thing diverted you from your
> applause.
> No pain or disappointment hides from self intent on dissipating all
> and finding cause.
> From paper, pen, how can a wonderment of thought stay hidden long.
>
> No doubt you look down from a potpourri of clouds, the blue, and say,
> "You know, at last, the dangers, joys, and sounds of my birdsongs."
>
>
> Jackie Lee
>
> Time is the school in which we learn.
> Time is the fire in which we burn.
> Delmore Schwartz
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> EvaMarie Sanchez via stylist
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 12:59 PM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Cc: EvaMarie Sanchez
> Subject: [stylist] writer or write not
>
> Earlier Jackie posted her feelings after receiving a letter saying she
> was being removed from the list serve. Sure it was not real and
> nothing to worry about, but how would she have known that? More
> important, it does not matter. Negativity upsets people. That is human
> nature. And because of this email, a special lady, a friend to many was
upset.
> Did it stop there though? No, not at all. There were numberous
> responses to her trying to find solutions, trying to reasure her and
> wanting justice for the act that caused the pain. So I ask, why did so
> many of us quickly respond?
> The answer comes in the manner of which this list serve opperates. It
> is a list serve for writers about writing, but we also tend to discuss
> life here on a ffrequent occurrance. This sometimes bothers some that
> only want the subjects to pertain to writing, but writing is about
> life and friendship as well. If we do not have the chance to grow as
> people, we do not make the connections that provide for that growth.
> Yes, it is a paradox, but what isn't? And if we do not make those
connections, we do not learn to care.
> We cared about Jackie, because of the time we have spent on this list
> with her and I am sure that there have been many many relationships
> built here over the years.
> I stand by what I had previously said about keeping off topic things
> down so that we do not offend anyone, but we must also feel we could
> talk. In the conversaitions over the past week or so, I have only seen
> one thing that was offensive (and this came in after the warning), but
> I have seen a lot of camaraderie. I am proud to be a part of this
> group and hope that you all feel proud of who you are here as well.
> We, in the Writers' Division and on this list serve, are never alone.
> Eve Sanchez
> President, National Federation of the Blind Northern Arizona
> President, National Federation of the Blind Writers' Division
> Committee Chair, Arizona Association of Guide Dog Users Affiliate
> Member, National Federation of the Blind Legislative Committee
> Affiliate Member, National Federation of the Blind Membership
> Committee Member, Slate & Style Editing Team
>
> "You do not need to have vision to see the stars."
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