[stylist] Changing subject when responding
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Wed Aug 5 20:18:34 UTC 2015
Bridget, I do it myself. I think we all do. But maybe we just need to pay attention to ourselves a little more instead of trying to always worry about what other people are doing. Even
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> On Aug 5, 2015, at 11:03 AM, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via stylist <stylist at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Eve,
>
> You make a great point, and I'm guilty of doing it. I often respond to a
> post without double checking if the subject needs to be changed. If we all
> were more cognizant of this, we may end up with less issues when it comes to
> discussions of any kind. Personally, I will try, smile.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of EvaMarie
> Sanchez via stylist
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 11:03 AM
> To: Writers' Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: EvaMarie Sanchez <3rdeyeonly at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] writer or write not
>
> Thank you Jackie. I especially liked the line "I must reject your saintly
> brother saying you would go to Hell."
> I do hate being preached at and I really hate it when people who think they
> are being so generous with their teachings that they actually become hateful
> to the loved ones that we mourn.
> I know now that you understand this well.
> Now I am going to be picky.
> It also bugs me when people do not follow the thread and read what they want
> into a subject so that they could manipulate it to their purposes. I think
> this is what causes the issues of people reading things that they do not
> want to read, they go by the existing subject line and do not realize that
> people have completely changed things. There are some great followers who,
> when they are altering the subject, they start a new thread. There are those
> who will continue on down and 75 posts later find that it has changed
> subject multiple times. Partly because they did not actually understand the
> initial purpose of original post.
> You have no problem with this.
> And sorry if my words sound rude to someone, but I never intended for this
> thread to be a discussion, again, of what we should or should not post and
> discuss on Stylist. It was a recognition of how close many of us have become
> through our sharing and the supportive relationships that have been built.
> Sorry if I was not clear in my original, and perhaps brought on this, but I
> want people to stop focusing on the negative and get back to sharing.
> Sharing is what makes us strong.
> Eve
>
> President, National Federation of the Blind Northern Arizona President,
> National Federation of the Blind Writers' Division Committee Chair, Arizona
> Association of Guide Dog Users Affiliate Member, National Federation of the
> Blind Legislative Committee Affiliate Member, National Federation of the
> Blind Membership Committee Member, Slate & Style Editing Team
>
> "You do not need to have vision to see the stars."
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 7:16 AM, Jackie Williams via stylist <
> stylist at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Eva,
>> What you say is so true. I felt drawn into a circle of caring people
>> who protected me from feeling isolated and even guilty though I could
>> only speculate on the reasons why.
>> Now, I am encouraged to keep participating and will know that my,
>> sometime, off the wall thoughts will not offend. I sometimes
>> over-react to extended religious or political tomes, and want to
>> respond in kind. but again, I realize that comes from childhood
>> conditioning and is always something to be tested, questioned and to
>> me, that is the time to write a poem or a story about it.
>> In this mode, one can truly understand the value, motive, and the deep
>> feelings about one's belief system without feeling "preached " to
>> about it, or the built-in judgementalism.
>> And so I am cutting and pasting in a poem I have just entered in the
>> League of Minnesota contest. A first in sharing something that has not
>> been published before, because I trust all of you.
>>
>> 7. Helen Papas Memorial Award Jacqueline Williams
>> 1431 W. 7th Pl.
>> Mesa,
>> AZ
>> 85201
>>
>> jackieleepoet at cox.net
>>
>> Nonmember of LOMP
>>
>>
>> An Ever-present Past
>>
>> Strange that I became your mother in my teens until I was a mother to
>> my own.
>> Though miles away and years apart, I never cut the cord.
>> Not many knew I lived through you
>> and felt that I could do as well as you in art and poetry, if I could
>> find the key I thought you'd left for me.
>>
>> I came to be the slow and measured child.
>> I was your trusted friend, and dreamed with you- your lap, my haven in
>> our house of disarray.
>> Held tight, you painted with your other hand, made me a part of your
>> creations.
>> I turned away from stirrings in my youth.
>> With talents running wild, I knew a competition could ensue.
>>
>> You had your way at home with all the dangers, joys and its birdsongs.
>> I did not shed my daughterhood. I fumbled for a way to share your
>> crumbling life by being there in later years.
>> Your last deluded nightmare caused a pain I can't forget.
>>
>> I keep you close remembering the ride, the moving in and out- a boat
>> that seeks the shore in some wild tide.
>> Your recitations, as a poet with no sight, brought gasps.
>> One hand would grasp the finger of the other, prod each line until a
>> stanza was complete. Your memory tool.
>>
>> They say I must let go and auction off your photographs, the
>> paintings, written words, the thoughts that only you could know about
>> yourself-and still unread or said by me.
>>
>> Mother, my guide, for months I stroked the velvet of your face.
>> Now I find no place to hide or fill your space.
>> I slept on your couch, the one you did not want to leave at night.
>> I cannot exorcise the memory of your final fight when you felt exiled
>> to the bedroom where your terrors laid in wait.
>>
>>
>> (stanza break)
>> As one of three inheritors, I am the keeper of your name.
>>
>> "They" do not know the time it takes to heal an amputated limb.
>> With your life gone to me, will I be able to exist alone?
>> Will I be me without the you I knew, or just another name?
>>
>> I must reject your saintly brother saying you would go to Hell.
>> I will not tolerate the ones who preached to you-not knowing you- a
>> grain of sand, the irritant to family who would isolate you well.
>> A rare pearl grew in the oyster shell of your home's cold hell.
>>
>> In life, no one could buy or sell your need. In death, you do belong
>> to us, no auctioneer, no highest bidder for the self you left to me. I
>> only trust the ones who shed an honest tear.
>>
>> Now I write and read and write becoming strong- directing life, and
>> so I finally understand why no one thing diverted you from your
>> applause.
>> No pain or disappointment hides from self intent on dissipating all
>> and finding cause.
>> From paper, pen, how can a wonderment of thought stay hidden long.
>>
>> No doubt you look down from a potpourri of clouds, the blue, and say,
>> "You know, at last, the dangers, joys, and sounds of my birdsongs."
>>
>>
>> Jackie Lee
>>
>> Time is the school in which we learn.
>> Time is the fire in which we burn.
>> Delmore Schwartz
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> EvaMarie Sanchez via stylist
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 12:59 PM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Cc: EvaMarie Sanchez
>> Subject: [stylist] writer or write not
>>
>> Earlier Jackie posted her feelings after receiving a letter saying she
>> was being removed from the list serve. Sure it was not real and
>> nothing to worry about, but how would she have known that? More
>> important, it does not matter. Negativity upsets people. That is human
>> nature. And because of this email, a special lady, a friend to many was
> upset.
>> Did it stop there though? No, not at all. There were numberous
>> responses to her trying to find solutions, trying to reasure her and
>> wanting justice for the act that caused the pain. So I ask, why did so
>> many of us quickly respond?
>> The answer comes in the manner of which this list serve opperates. It
>> is a list serve for writers about writing, but we also tend to discuss
>> life here on a ffrequent occurrance. This sometimes bothers some that
>> only want the subjects to pertain to writing, but writing is about
>> life and friendship as well. If we do not have the chance to grow as
>> people, we do not make the connections that provide for that growth.
>> Yes, it is a paradox, but what isn't? And if we do not make those
> connections, we do not learn to care.
>> We cared about Jackie, because of the time we have spent on this list
>> with her and I am sure that there have been many many relationships
>> built here over the years.
>> I stand by what I had previously said about keeping off topic things
>> down so that we do not offend anyone, but we must also feel we could
>> talk. In the conversaitions over the past week or so, I have only seen
>> one thing that was offensive (and this came in after the warning), but
>> I have seen a lot of camaraderie. I am proud to be a part of this
>> group and hope that you all feel proud of who you are here as well.
>> We, in the Writers' Division and on this list serve, are never alone.
>> Eve Sanchez
>> President, National Federation of the Blind Northern Arizona
>> President, National Federation of the Blind Writers' Division
>> Committee Chair, Arizona Association of Guide Dog Users Affiliate
>> Member, National Federation of the Blind Legislative Committee
>> Affiliate Member, National Federation of the Blind Membership
>> Committee Member, Slate & Style Editing Team
>>
>> "You do not need to have vision to see the stars."
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