[stylist] Looking for ideas on good children's books- Left Behind

Sun Aug 23 20:41:04 UTC 2015

Alright, I am going to play the voice from on high now. I have actually
heard from individuals who are getting offended by some of what has been
said here. I am not going to get into particulars or start a discussion on
the rights of posting.
We have conversations regarding religion and spirituality and that is fine
and dandy. It can easily go too far though. So now it has come to a place
that is equal to that toe over the line and it needs to stop. What I am
saying, is that the discussion of the religions, histories of religion and
methods of practice and beliefs need to stop for this thread.
If it again comes to a point that has to do with inspiration for writing,
that is different and can be looked at, at that time.
Sorry, to be the bearer, but that is my job.
And if anyone was offended by my odd sense of humor, I apologize. But
mainly, let's not talk of who believes what and is it right or wrong.
Thanks guys. I know you understand, because you are all awsome.
Eve Sanchez

 President, National Federation of the Blind Northern Arizona
President, National Federation of the Blind Writers' Division
Member, Slate & Style Editing Team
Editor, Tapestry, a TAWN publication
"You do not need to have vision to see the stars."

On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via stylist <
stylist at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Agree, and that's totally funny about the Red Sea, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of EvaMarie
> Sanchez via stylist
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 11:50 PM
> To: Writers' Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: EvaMarie Sanchez <3rdeyeonly at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Looking for ideas on good children's books- Left
> Behind
>
> Yeah there are differences, but still, if one believes that Jesus is the
> Christ, then he is Christian. By definition. It bugs me because there are
> often people who truly do not believe that a particular religion is
> Christian because it is not their religion. I have my beliefs, but I am not
> going to tell another what they should believe or that they are doing
> something wrong because they do not do it my way. Well, I am crossing the
> line here. Or perhaps the Red Sea. haha I will shut up now.
> Thanks, Eve
>
>  President, National Federation of the Blind Northern Arizona President,
> National Federation of the Blind Writers' Division Member, Slate & Style
> Editing Team Editor, Tapestry, a TAWN publication "You do not need to have
> vision to see the stars."
>
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 9:16 PM, Barbara HAMMEL via stylist <
> stylist at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > And even more confusing on that point is there are various schools on
> > whether the tribulation will happen before antichrist appears or in
> > the middle of his reign or at the end of the tribulation period.
> > They would say christians and Catholics because Catholicism is Christ
> > plus other things to get to Heaven whereas evangelical — zoa
> > Protestants? um not sure if that's the right word either — believe
> > that accepting Christ is one's Lord and Saviour is All you need to be
> > admitted to Heaven. No Christ plus good works, Christ plus baptism ...
> > just Christ. The crosses in Catholicism have Jesus on the cross but
> > all the Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist, Reformed ... churches I have
> attended of empty crosses.
> > Barbara
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Aug 22, 2015, at 18:16, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via stylist <
> > stylist at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > I didn't intend on posting anymore on this just so I can't be
> > > accused of anything, grin, but to answer you, there are various
> > > interpretations of Revelations. Catholics, Lutherans,
> > > Anglicans/Episcopalian, and Orthodox
> > have
> > > similar interpretations. Most these denominations believe the
> > > "second coming" of Jesus was when he returned to the Apostles after
> > > the Resurrection. Other Christians believe the second coming is yet
> > > to
> > happen.
> > > Many believe Revelations was written to the Christians of the time,
> > > while some hold to Revelations being a book of prophecy about the "End
> Times"
> > and
> > > what life will be like. The Rapture theory claims Christians in
> > > "good standing" will automatically go to Heaven and escape all the bad
> stuff.
> > This
> > > gets into a lot of specific doctrine and dogma that's not only
> > complicated
> > > but probably not appropriate for this list. Ultimately, I say, to
> > > each,
> > his
> > > own, but I think it's good to know the theology behind religious
> > > beliefs
> > and
> > > not just take what you read and hear at face value. And FYI, for
> > > those familiar with Revelations, the section at the end about anyone
> > > adding or taking away from the Bible will go to Hell, was not in the
> > > earlier
> > versions
> > > of Revelations. It appears in later copies. So take what you will
> > > from
> > this.
> > > Sorry, Eve, if this just confuses you more.
> > >
> > > Bridgit
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > > EvaMarie Sanchez via stylist
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 11:27 AM
> > > To: Writers' Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > > Cc: EvaMarie Sanchez <3rdeyeonly at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [stylist] Looking for ideas on good children's books-
> > > Left Behind
> > >
> > > So that was it? He is not coming back to float down and rule the
> > > masses
> > or
> > > anything?
> > > I am totally confused. I always thoughht they believed everyone was
> > > still waiting for the second coming. I mean those that believe that.
> > > Like I thought that he was supposed to be coming soon and that there
> > > were signs
> > of
> > > his impending coming. Or am I without realizing it, referencing
> > Revelations,
> > > which you seem to be debunking anyways?
> > > Oh hey, I am doing it again, getting inappropriate. I just really do
> > > nnot understand this.
> > > Sorry if I am offending anyone here.
> > > Eve
> > >
> > > President, National Federation of the Blind Northern Arizona
> > > President, National Federation of the Blind Writers' Division
> > > Committee Chair,
> > Arizona
> > > Association of Guide Dog Users Affiliate Member, National Federation
> > > of
> > the
> > > Blind Legislative Committee Affiliate Member, National Federation of
> > > the Blind Membership Committee Member, Slate & Style Editing Team
> > >
> > > "You do not need to have vision to see the stars."
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:10 PM, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via
> > > stylist
> > <
> > > stylist at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Nope, actually, it was written for the Christians of the day, many
> > >> living in areas ruled by the Romans, who after a century or so,
> > >> started seeking out Jewish sects, or now known as Christianity.
> > >> Most Bible scholars do not even believe it was John who wrote the
> > >> book, and it may have even been several authors. And because the
> > >> oldest copies of New Testament writings that can be verified do not
> > >> even come close to the actual dates they were penned, most being
> > >> about 400 to 500 years later, meaning we no longer have text of
> > >> Biblical scripture dating any sooner than the early medieval
> > >> period, quite a bit later than when New Testament scripture was
> > >> originally written. So it's never been authenticated as to when
> > >> Revelations was written. It was actually debated for centuries if
> > >> Revelations should be included in the Bible. And when the Council
> > >> of Nicaea convened to canonize the Bible, it was not able to
> authenticate it either in terms of origin.
> > >> My point being that while Revelations can act as a kind of
> > >> spiritual guide, a good vs. evil, if you will, it was never
> > >> intended for future generations. It was to buck up the spirits of
> > >> Christians living in the time it was written, which likely was
> > >> between 50 AD to 150 AD. It was questioned and debated for years
> > >> before finalizing it as New Testament canon, so it was not intended
> > >> to act as prophecy or a guide on the End Times. And in fact, the
> > >> Catholic church believes that the Second Coming of Jesus happened
> > >> when he returned after the Resserection to meet with the Apostles.
> > >>
> > >> Again, this is all covered in writing and book studied at most
> > >> seminaries and contained in mainstream Bible commentaries.
> > >>
> > >> Bridgit
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > >> Barbara HAMMEL via stylist
> > >> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 9:06 PM
> > >> To: Writers' Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > >> Cc: Barbara HAMMEL <poetlori8 at msn.com>
> > >> Subject: Re: [stylist] Looking for ideas on good children's books-
> > >> Left Behind
> > >>
> > >> The endtimes will not be pretty and Revelation makes that VERY clear.
> > >> Those books were meant to make one contemplate where they wish to
> > >> spend
> > > eternity.
> > >> Barbara
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>>> On Aug 21, 2015, at 13:47, Jackie Williams via stylist
> > >>> <stylist at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Bridgit,
> > >>> What do you know?
> > >>> You  are well-educated in both basic writing skills and biblical
> > > studies.
> > >>> For me, after reading the 1-5 first books, mostly out of curiosity
> > >>> and the need to always balance my intake of everything, I felt
> > >>> almost physically ill. So I never read the rest.
> > >>>
> > >>> Jackie Lee
> > >>>
> > >>> Time is the school in which we learn.
> > >>> Time is the fire in which we burn.
> > >>> Delmore Schwartz
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > >>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via stylist
> > >>> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 11:13 AM
> > >>> To: 'Writers' Division Mailing List'
> > >>> Cc: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> > >>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Looking for ideas on good children's books-
> > >>> Left Behind
> > >>>
> > >>> I mean, if that's what you're into, what you believe, great, but I
> > >>> personally am against them, and not even for the subject matter,
> > >>> but they are just not well-written, but hey, they have sold
> > >>> millions, so what do I know?
> > >>>
> > >>> Bridgit
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > >>> Jacobson, Shawn D via stylist
> > >>> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 12:47 PM
> > >>> To: Writers' Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > >>> Cc: Jacobson, Shawn D <Shawn.D.Jacobson at hud.gov>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Looking for ideas on good children's books
> > >>>
> > >>> I never read the "Left Behind" books.  I heard about them and
> > >>> decided they were worth avoiding.
> > >>>
> > >>> Shawn
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > >>> Jackie Williams via stylist
> > >>> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 1:45 PM
> > >>> To: 'Writers' Division Mailing List'
> > >>> Cc: Jackie Williams
> > >>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Looking for ideas on good children's books
> > >>>
> > >>> Bridgit,
> > >>> Amen! Amen! Amen!
> > >>>
> > >>> Jackie Lee
> > >>>
> > >>> Time is the school in which we learn.
> > >>> Time is the fire in which we burn.
> > >>> Delmore Schwartz
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > >>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via stylist
> > >>> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 3:48 PM
> > >>> To: 'Writers' Division Mailing List'
> > >>> Cc: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> > >>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Looking for ideas on good children's books
> > >>>
> > >>> Not to rock the boat, but the Left Behind series, both adult and
> > >>> children's, are some of the biggest propaganda-driven books I've
> > >>> ever read. And not all that Biblically sound either. Doctrinally,
> > >>> though espousing popular beliefs, the theology is not
> > >>> well-grounded, much of the Bible it's based on taken way out of
> > >>> context, and based on beliefs that are only about 100 years old or
> > >>> so, interpreting Revelations in a
> > >> way
> > >> not previously interpreted as such.
> > >>> The first university I attended was a Bible college, and all
> > >>> students, regardless of major, had to minor in Biblical studies,
> > >>> plus, I've done a lot of independent research on this, so I'm not
> > >>> just
> > > blowing smoke.
> > >>> I know I'm being controversial, but I'm by far not the first to
> > >>> make
> > >> these
> > >> comments.
> > >>>
> > >>> And I don't even find Left Behind to be a good series. The movies
> > >>> are equally bad. This is a perfect example of pushing an agenda in
> > >>> literature, and focusing on the agenda more than the characters,
> > >>> or even, to be frank, the plot.
> > >>>
> > >>> Bridgit
> > >>>
> > >>>
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