[stylist] FW: keeping poems, for Robert, Bridgit, Lynda, and Barbara, others

Sat Jun 13 21:57:44 UTC 2015

Thank you Lynda. This is very reasuring.
Eve

On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Jackie Williams via stylist <
stylist at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Robert,
> Thanks so much for the response and the reassurance. Yes, I think I will
> submit it elsewhere.
>
> Jackie Lee
>
> Time is the school in which we learn.
> Time is the fire in which we burn.
> Delmore Schwartz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robert
> Leslie Newman via stylist
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 11:44 AM
> To: 'Writers' Division Mailing List'
> Cc: Robert Leslie Newman
> Subject: Re: [stylist] FW: keeping poems, for Robert, Bridgit, Lynda, and
> Barbara, others
>
> Jacky
>
> The Super, super short piece you wrote and that I thought might be a great
> story to share with the Nebraska Senior division....was shared and enjoyed.
> The group consists of 12 people, all right here in NE. And WOW, that was
> quite a while back. And I am not aware that any of those Senior Division
> members shared it with anyone else. So hey, essentially the piece flew in
> here to STYLIST, got shunted off to yet a smaller "room," and died. So
> boy...I'd revive it and send it on to wherever you wish!!!
>
> Thanks (You and your story deserves to...live forever!)
>
> RLN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jackie
> Williams via stylist
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 11:44 AM
> To: 'Writers' Division Mailing List'
> Cc: Jackie Williams
> Subject: Re: [stylist] FW: keeping poems, for Robert, Bridgit, Lynda, and
> Barbara, others
>
> Lynda, Bridgit, and those mentioned above.
>
> Thanks so much for your comprehensive responses. I did not know that
> Google would have such detail about a person, or that Facebook was fair
> game.
> Several responses above indicate that this list is safe. But here is a
> very specific instance of my question.
> A while ago I posted a flash fiction piece, something I had never written
> before. I was overjoyed with the response, and particularly from Robert,
> who said he was sending it to the Nebraska group because he thought they
> would enjoy it.
> It was a definite ego-booster. But on reflection, I feel I can never
> submit it, because I do not know if that group is a list like ours, or who
> there might have shared it outside their group. I never got any feedback
> from anyone outside this group.
> And so, a short short career in fiction writing. Or should I take a chance
> and submit it elsewhere? Also, when you have put something on this list for
> a critique or comment, can you then legitimately send it to the NFB
> contest? The judges would know who wrote it, and that is strictly against
> any rules I know about.
>
>
> Jackie Lee
>
> Time is the school in which we learn.
> Time is the fire in which we burn.
> Delmore Schwartz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda
> Lambert via stylist
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 3:20 PM
> To: Writers' Division Mailing List
> Cc: Lynda Lambert
> Subject: Re: [stylist] FW: keeping poems
>
> Jackie's point is certainly a good one - for those of us who work with
> publishers and journals, we cannot post our work for many publications will
> not accept anything that has been published previously anywhere at all -
> even on your own Facebook page. That is a sobering fact, and it comes back
> to bite  us if we do it and we would  lose credibility with the publishers
> who work with us.  I do not enter contests much at all - only two in a
> year, because I am in the groups, so that is not my concern.  But I do want
> to continue to have my work appear in publications where I am paid for my
> work and would never consider sending the editors  anything that was
> published anywhere else unless it is specified in the rules for Submissions
> that it is ok to do so. My interest and expertise is in essays and poetry -
> so that is what I choose to comment on typically in the group.  Just
> keeping up with my own work keeps me hopping.  This all works exactly like
> gallery and museum art exhibitions - the higher quality exhibition venues
> will not show work that has appeared an any other shows unless it is part
> of a traveling exhibition and in that case the entire show travels all over
> the states and abroad with the show.  - the best galleries want exclusive
> rights.  This is all fascinating, isn't it!
>
> Another good point is that things we write and post on the internet, even
> in groups, is often available when you do a google search on that person
> and their work.  Particularly anything you have put on Facebook - even if
> you delete, it is still available through google search.  I have to ask
> myself, "Is it worth being banned from a publication because of something I
> posted on the internet in the past?"  It's a no-brainer, isn't it! If in
> doubt - don't do it. Lynda
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jackie Williams via stylist
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 5:21 PM
> To: 'Writers' Division Mailing List'
> Cc: Jackie Williams
> Subject: [stylist] FW: keeping poems
>
> Barbara, and all, a response that I wanted all to get and respond to.
>
> Jackie Lee
>
> Time is the school in which we learn.
> Time is the fire in which we burn.
> Delmore Schwartz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jackie Williams [mailto:jackieleepoet at cox.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 7:53 AM
> To: 'Barbara Hammel'
> Subject: RE: keeping poems
>
> Barbara,
> Your point is well taken. There might be a subtle difference between my
> critique group and this list, this being electronic, and the other hard
> copies.
> This was addressed some time ago by Bridgit and Robert, that this list is
> a group meant for critiquing and sharing, and a contest should not
> disqualify a poem because it is posted here. I agree it should not, however
> recently a poem was disqualified because the National Federation of State
> Poetry Societies found it somewhere on the internet. Searches are pretty
> comprehensive these days I am told.
> I have also collected some of the poems from members here, particularly
> when they introduce a new form, like Myrna with her tumbling tercets and
> cascading quatrains, and your  poem about seeing letters and certain things
> in colors which describes a certain eye condition I can never remember the
> name for. Also, things like Lynda's relating of her strategy for writing
> that 39 line poem with the same six words repeated in six stanzas in a
> prescribed manner, with another 3 lines at the bottom. I describe this
> because my memory for the word for certain forms sometimes escapes me now.
> It always comes back, but not when I need it.
> It is not that I do not trust the ones on this list, but that contests are
> pretty specific about not publishing or putting your work on anything if
> you are submitting it to them, unless they say you may have simultaneous
> submissions. I have approximately fifty poems in submission at this moment,
> and I do not want to risk jeopardizing them.
> Also, on a personal level, I have shared my long manuscript with its added
> "A Battered Woman's Glossary, A Ludicrous Lexicon of Legal terms, with
> seven different critiquers. With their critique, " five returned the
> manuscript plus the Glossary, and two kept the Glossary saying they wanted
> to show it to someone, and whoever they shared it with never returned it.
> This manuscript has been submitted to10 contests in the past, and I am
> always afraid that I will get a notice that that Glossary is someone else's.
> As poets, we are encouraged to save favorite lines, or favorite poems, and
> even to make "erasure" poems from then, where you can erase half of that
> persons poem, rework the rest, and claim it as your own, being sure to give
> credit to the original poet. But already, some of these are being legally
> challenged.
> The pace of change in copywrite laws is moving and getting much more
> complicated by the internet. I wish it were not so. And the argument by
> many is that there is nothing that has not been said before, so they should
> be able to use anything that has been used before, thus evading the law.
> In the meantime, I agree that so many submissions here are worthy of
> saving primarily as teaching tools for methodology, or form, or for
> examples of creative use of language.
> I hope this mixed message makes sense to you.
>
> Jackie Lee
>
> Time is the school in which we learn.
> Time is the fire in which we burn.
> Delmore Schwartz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbara Hammel [mailto:poetlori8 at icloud.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 1:30 PM
> To: jackieleepoet at cox.net
> Subject: keeping poems
>
>
>
> If one has no intent of ever sharing another's poem without their
> permission is it so bad to keep them? I have your A Rainbow Came Down poem
> — probably not your final copy — because I liked it. Will anyone ever know
> I have it?
> No except that it's one by you. Would I ever print it or give to anyone
> without asking you? No.
> I have five or seven of Myrna's, too. If a book were out that had all of
> them, I'd probably buy it for the final printed versions of them. Guess I
> don't make a competitive or smart writer, huh. Oh, and I'd NEVER claim
> another's work as my own.
> Barbara
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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