[stylist] Scrivener verses Word and more!

Thu Jun 23 14:07:41 UTC 2016

Scrivener is not accessible with JAWS, but apparently System Access works
with it.

With the ribbons in MS Office, you can also set up virtual ribbons, which
works better.

Bridgit

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Hello Michael,

I'd also like to use Scrivener. Not sure what it all does but I know its
good for writers. If its accessible with windows 7 and jaws 16 or jaws 17, I
could use it.

As for the ribbons, I don't think anyone likes them including every person
who can see the screen. They found the menus more user friendly. To use the
ribbons, you have to press the right and left arrows to go through them. You
can tab from one  ribon to the next.
However, the same keystrokes you used in older versions such as Word 2003
work in the new versions. I have office 2010 but I've worked with 2013 at
school and this is the case. You do not need to use the office 2003 menu
shortcuts, but you can use standard shortcut keystrokes. The keystrokes of
control key plus a letter form keystrokes you can use to pull up dialogue
boxes or do commands.

You mention formatting and font. I can do most of that without ever dealing
with the nasty ribbon!
You can change the font or size of anything with keystrokes. So, Michael,
you can change the size or font of words easily.

Here is some commands in case you or anyone needs to know. I Remember they
work with any version of Word and are not dependent on a screen reader since
these are Microsoft office commands.

Bold text: control B
Underline  text: control U
Italicize text: Control I
Font dialogue box: control D; then press tab to get around the box.
Increase font by one point: control right bracket; keep pressing it to go up
one point at a time Decrease font by one point: control left bracket; keep
pressing the keystroke to go up one point further Double space text: control
2 Single space text: control 1
1 1/2 lines text: control 5
Spell check: f 7 key

So you see, there are many things you can do in word without the ribbons.
If you want to know any keystrokes, or wonder if there is a way to do
something without the ribbon or a shorter way to navigate the ribbon, just
ask. If I don't know, someone here may know.

Its nice you have the old Word for now. But someday your pc will break, and
you will be forced to upgrade.
Sorry to say, but if you want to use technology, there is no way  to stop
learning. You can put it off as I did for years, but eventually you will
have to use the new versions since pcs don't last forever. If they sold
office 2003, I'd use it. But time goes on, and they do not sell it anymore. 
So, I'm forced to use what is new along with other computer users.
I'm lucky my windows 7 has  lasted this long.

HTH,
Ashley

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Subject: [stylist] Scrivener verses Word and more!

Wednesday, June 15, 2016
Bridgit and Sarah with Scrivener verses Word!

Thank you for this topic. I have been a Word user for some 30 years but
started out with Wordperfec. I have moved along with word, up to 2003. I do
not use all the tons of exxtra tools and gadgertry that Word has to offer;
to me, most of it is useless. I was a happy man until this MS came up with
the big changes to Word, with MSs 7 and Word 10? The switch over to a Ribbon
system really caused me some frustration. I have enough to learn and study
for without having to jump on another learning curve. I have a near new
computer with more than everything ever needed to get by with. However, with
the Ribbon and all the changes, I stuck with my 2033 XP compute running Word
2003. I use the keyboard to get around and the ribbon system is outrageous.
They should fire those techs who thought to mess up my life as they have so
done.

However, my stubbornness with the MS 7 and now 10 with the upgraded Word has
cut me off from entering many web sites that no longer allow the older IE to
enter or have access to a newer web site.
I use Jaws 8.5 on my older computer and it was funny. I needed some
information and so called the Jaws help line and the guy had to laugh. He
told me that he wasn't even born when 8.5 was released! There was no help.

This brings me to our discussion. Ok, I do have a tiny bit of vision but
still not enough to read the screen but I can see what is going on there.
I have shopped around because in my own writing, I often make mistakes that
I cannot see or catch. My formatting might get messed around with odd
characters, underlining and so forth. Now I found that this free program
called Jarte is the simplest word and text processing program out here. It
is free and even though I do not use it all the time, it is there. I do a
chapter or an article in word and copy it then download it into Jarte as a
plain text file. You can recopy or save your changes as a .doc file or go
back to your Word program and enter your new unformatted document. Then and
there it removes all formatting and gives me a clean document to work with.
What is nice is that it comes with a free version of Word Web. Check it out
for simplicity and ease.

Now this Scrivener thing, I would love to use it and get away from the Word
ribbon insanity. Insanity you say, sure, as an example, with Word
2003 if you want to change the size of a font or a single word from small to
large or from large to small you just use a key stroke. But to do this
simple action with a ribbon, it takes you ten minutes to go around and
around and back and forth and up and down to do a little task. That is only
one example of the insanity I speak of. If you never came to know the key
strokes in the older Word program you would not  know what I speak of.

I have been waiting for the Scrivener program for a while. Still doing some
research on it. I only want to know if it will work with Jaws 8.5 and then
on 15? In the meantime, I stick with Word 2003 and my XP system.
My new computer, well, I use it so far to do the extra research and as a
backup. Its nice but I don't have two years left in my life to learn this
new things. I guarantee that as soon as I learn it, which I started, they
switched to 8 and then to 10. forget it and forget them!

Also, I despise Microsoft for trying to jam their OS 10 down my throat.
Every time MS is allowed access to my computer, all my settings and programs
must be gone through again. My tech downloaded a little AP into my systems
that have put a stop to MS 10 invasions. Try it!

One last thing, if you only get one thing from this note, please, you got to
get the Word Web program. It is a fantastic dictionary and spelling and
research tool. I so often want a different word and use it as my alternitive
word or idea program . I might misspell a word on purpose and go into the
nearest lists and wow, I get lost in time, it has everything you can imagine
for a writer. Lets say you are looking for an explorers name  so you type in
explorer or explorers and you not only get lists of comparable words but
then you get a list of famous explorers. You can do this with trees, with
composers or whatever. It brings up all the dictionary uses of a word and
you can click on verb, adverbs or ? and you can also go into the net from
there for more on that word if need be. For a writer, this Word Web is the
greatest ever. Check it out and with Jarte, you get the free version. They
also have a free version but it is the basic program.

Thanks

TickPub Thanks You,
All The Best And More,
Regards And Respect From Michael!
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