[Stylist] Please call Re: Stylist Digest, Vol 180, Issue 11

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   1. Re: Food for Thought: NFB Literature for a Younger Audience
      (Chris Kuell )
   2. Re: prose poem for poetry month (Chris Kuell )
   3. Re: Food for Thought: NFB Literature for a Younger Audience
      (Barbara HAMMEL)
   4. Re: Food for Thought: NFB Literature for a Younger Audience
      (Jacobson, Shawn D)
   5. Re: prose poem for poetry month (llambert at zoominternet.net)
   6. Re: NPM_Focus on favorite poets _ Literary mentors
      (Barbara HAMMEL)
   7. Re: Food for Thought: NFB Literature for a Younger Audience
      (Tina Hansen)
   8. Re: Food for Thought: NFB Literature for a Younger Audience
      (Barbara HAMMEL)
   9. Re: Food for Thought: NFB Literature for a Younger Audience
      (Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter)
  10. Re: Food for Thought: NFB Literature for a Younger Audience
      (Bill Meeker and Cheryl Orgas)
  11. Re: Food for Thought: NFB Literature for a Younger Audience
      (Tina Hansen)
  12. Spring Issue of Breath and Shadow (Chris Kuell )
  13. Re: Food for Thought: NFB Literature for a Younger Audience
      (Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 09:13:48 -0400
From: "Chris Kuell " <ckuell at comcast.net>
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Very interesting question, Tina. Like you, I joined as an adult, so many of
the old speeches (I'm particularly fond of a Left Handed
Dissertation)resonated with me. But probably not so much with the younger
generation. They'd probably relate more to a youtube video than a banquet
speech--although I've always taken life philosopy lessons from good books as
well.

Chris

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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 09:20:42 -0400
From: "Chris Kuell " <ckuell at comcast.net>
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Hey Annie,

Thanks for sharing your poem. I know you, so I'm able to appreciate your
work, the subtlety between the lines--but I wonder how a sightee might
react. This particular poem is probably not as accessible. Regardless, I
most enjoyed--

This is the place I sat before, six years ago, waiting. New, the same,
different; Jumbles and jangles of nerves leak out. The same doubts on this
day fester, Even more evocative.

I can just imagine you waiting nervously, so these lines put me there.

Thanks for sharing.

Chris

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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 13:42:51 +0000
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I want to know why the general consensus, in all spheres, is that we have to 
write or speak differently for millennials? I don't believe that they are as 
simple-minded as people think. Now if Tina is thinking about kiddie lit. for 
the 8 and under crowd, I could see "dumbing down" the philosophy.    Barbara 
Hammel

> On Apr 15, 2019, at 08:14, Chris Kuell via Stylist <stylist at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Very interesting question, Tina. Like you, I joined as an adult, so many 
> of
> the old speeches (I'm particularly fond of a Left Handed
> Dissertation)resonated with me. But probably not so much with the younger
> generation. They'd probably relate more to a youtube video than a banquet
> speech--although I've always taken life philosopy lessons from good books 
> as
> well.
>
> Chris
>
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 13:46:58 +0000
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When I said that the tone to relate to millennials would be different, I 
didn't mean dumb down.  I meant that with the difference in technology, how 
you talk to them might be different.  Our new instant venting way of 
communication has impact on how we reach each other.

Shawn

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I want to know why the general consensus, in all spheres, is that we have to 
write or speak differently for millennials? I don't believe that they are as 
simple-minded as people think. Now if Tina is thinking about kiddie lit. for 
the 8 and under crowd, I could see "dumbing down" the philosophy.    Barbara 
Hammel

> On Apr 15, 2019, at 08:14, Chris Kuell via Stylist <stylist at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Very interesting question, Tina. Like you, I joined as an adult, so
> many of the old speeches (I'm particularly fond of a Left Handed
> Dissertation)resonated with me. But probably not so much with the
> younger generation. They'd probably relate more to a youtube video
> than a banquet speech--although I've always taken life philosopy
> lessons from good books as well.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 09:47:05 -0400
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I loved this piece - I was there with you - I could feel it all going down.
Lynda

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Hey Annie,

Thanks for sharing your poem. I know you, so I'm able to appreciate your
work, the subtlety between the lines--but I wonder how a sightee might
react. This particular poem is probably not as accessible. Regardless, I
most enjoyed--

This is the place I sat before, six years ago, waiting. New, the same,
different; Jumbles and jangles of nerves leak out. The same doubts on this
day fester, Even more evocative.

I can just imagine you waiting nervously, so these lines put me there.

Thanks for sharing.

Chris

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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 14:03:26 +0000
From: Barbara HAMMEL <poetlori8 at msn.com>
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Subject: Re: [Stylist] NPM_Focus on favorite poets _ Literary mentors
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Hey, Lynda, I've contemplated this question before about who are my 
"mentors" in writing. I wonder how many writers are like me. I started 
writing poetry before I decided I should start READING poetry. I've since 
discovered that I love Edgar Guest, Percy Bysshe Shelley, Longfellow, 
Bryant, Holmes, Dickinson and the like. (Yeah, I stick to the rhymers.) I've 
tried reading the non-rhymers like Billy Collins and Walt Whitman but, even 
though I understand the words they write, they're speaking a foreign 
language.  Barbara Hammel

> On Apr 15, 2019, at 03:29, Linda Lambert via Stylist <stylist at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Good morning writers,
>
> I've been writing one blog post a day for National Poetry Month.
>
> This week, I will focus on 7 of my own favorite poets - one a day.
>
>
>
> For my 7 selections, I revisit my own roots in poetry and where I found
> inspiration and ideas -
>
> Do you know who your literary mentors are? We all have literary mentors, 
> but
> sometimes are unaware of them.
>
> Our ideas begin somewhere, and it is important to know our own roots.
>
> It's a good thing to spend some time looking back at your own literary 
> roots
> to find out where you come from in your own  work.
>
> We all have a literary history - what's yours?
>
> The poets I'll be writing about are my literary mentors.
>
>
>
> My first feature on today's post is Georg Trakl, an Austrian who was born 
> in
> Salzburg.
>
> I visited the Traklhaus over the years, every summer when I was teaching 
> in
> Austria for a month-long course in drawing and writing for college 
> students.
>
> To walk in places where your literary mentors lived and worked is
> life-changing.  We are carried on their backs.  My series this weeks pays
> homage to my mentors.
>
>
>
> You can read my post on Georg Trakl at this link:
> http://www.lyndalambert.com/georg-trakl/
>
> I've included a poem in text format in the story, and a link to that poem
> being read.  I've included a link where you can learn more about the Trakl
> home in Salzburg. Trakl's work is in German, his native language. What I
> posted is a translation.
>
> Lynda
>
>
>
> _
>
> About Lynda McKinney Lambert
>
>
>
> On FaceBook:
>
> My FaceBook Personal Page <https://www.facebook.com/lyndamckinneylambert>
>
> River Road Studio Page
> <https://www.facebook.com/River-Road-Studio-175785105811956/>
>
> Walking by Inner Vision Page
> <https://www.facebook.com/walkingbyinnervision/>
>
> My SCAN BLOG Page <https://www.facebook.com/SCAN-782814908467623/>
>
>
>
> Visit my 2 Blogs:
>
> <http://www.lyndalambert.com/> Website & Blog:  Walking by Inner Vision -
> personal blog
>
> Scan Blog <http://www.llambert363.blog/>  - A quiet Place of Inspiration. 
> We
> love Art, Nature, Literature
>
>
>
> More information on my books:
>
> My Author's Page <http://www.dldbooks.com/lyndalambert>
>
> Buy the book on Amazon - for $3.99
> <https://www.amazon.com/Walking-Inner-Vision-Stories-Poems/dp/1543121624/ref
> =sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1532177952&sr=1-1&keywords=Walking+by+Inner+Visi
> on>
>
> Walking by Inner Vision: Stories
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>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 10:44:09 -0700
From: "Tina Hansen" <th404 at comcast.net>
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I'm not sure I'd want to dumb down our philosophy. I'm after how to relate
the philosophy to a younger audience.

Back in 1995, there was an issue of Future Reflections that tried to do
that. We didn't have the one-minute message at the time, but the philosophy
was there. Our philosophy has stood 79 years, and I don't see it changing.
My thinking is that yes, kids may not yet have fully developed minds of an
adult, but they do need to be able to appreciate our philosophy. That is why
I'm asking this question. Is it necessary that the wording for a younger
audience should be different from an adult audience? Also, since technology
has indeed changed since that issue, how can we leverage technology to reach
the younger generation?

I also got this idea thanks to a podcast.

https://www.dreambigpodcast.com/

The host is a young girl, Eva Cartman, with help from her parents. She
started this because her parents were listening to self help podcasts in the
car, and Eva says she wasn't relating to them. She wondered: Can a podcast
be done that relates the concepts my parents are hearing, but in a way kids
like her can understand and relate to. I was impressed, and I think what
she's doing is blazing a trail. Not only do kids like it, but I also like
it. I admire her youthful energy and her enthusiasm.

Face it, I'm not knocking anything we've put out for the parents, but I do
wonder if there is a need for NFB literature targeted at a younger audience.
Face it, these kids may have many of the same struggles adults do. They need
to also be able to make friends, learn effective socialization, and other
things. Like adults and work, kids are always needing to learn how to cope
with school.

I'm also not intending the literature to take the place of interactive
training. I believe kids learn best in a highly interactive environment,
whether it's provided by a school or with the parents.

I'm also not wanting to say that parents can't do any teaching. They should.
But again, should someone write or record something for kids? In the podcast
I referred to, Eva uses examples from her own life to make her points. Her
hope is that kids can relate to her stories, and as an adult, I feel drawn
in just because she's being real.

And no, the last thing I want to do is to water down our philosophy. I want
to keep it intact, but find out how we can help kids, especially elementary
and middle school students, relate to it.

I'm not sure if there is a need for a lot of literature like this, but I'm
just putting this out there as food for thought.

I also recognize this potential gap because apart from our own literature, I
get nervous when I find a book for that audience with a blind character. I'm
always aware that any book written for that audience could fall into that
trap of going for the old stereotypes, unless it's been written by one of
our own members.

Also, are there already books that do a good job of showing children the
truth about blindness? If there are, I've not spotted them.

I think once they hit high school, there is less of a need for such targeted
literature. They may need some things around being a teenager, but that's
about it. Their minds are more developed, and with some guidance, they
probably could work through our literature.

Any thoughts? Thanks.

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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 18:23:17 +0000
From: Barbara HAMMEL <poetlori8 at msn.com>
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A thought that popped in my mind is maybe Kernels book structure but with 
stories about children and how either they exemplify the philosophy or how 
an adult helped them achieve because of that person's understanding of the 
philosophy?   Barbara Hammel

> On Apr 15, 2019, at 12:46, Tina Hansen via Stylist <stylist at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure I'd want to dumb down our philosophy. I'm after how to relate
> the philosophy to a younger audience.
>
> Back in 1995, there was an issue of Future Reflections that tried to do
> that. We didn't have the one-minute message at the time, but the 
> philosophy
> was there. Our philosophy has stood 79 years, and I don't see it changing.
> My thinking is that yes, kids may not yet have fully developed minds of an
> adult, but they do need to be able to appreciate our philosophy. That is 
> why
> I'm asking this question. Is it necessary that the wording for a younger
> audience should be different from an adult audience? Also, since 
> technology
> has indeed changed since that issue, how can we leverage technology to 
> reach
> the younger generation?
>
> I also got this idea thanks to a podcast.
>
> https://www.dreambigpodcast.com/
>
> The host is a young girl, Eva Cartman, with help from her parents. She
> started this because her parents were listening to self help podcasts in 
> the
> car, and Eva says she wasn't relating to them. She wondered: Can a podcast
> be done that relates the concepts my parents are hearing, but in a way 
> kids
> like her can understand and relate to. I was impressed, and I think what
> she's doing is blazing a trail. Not only do kids like it, but I also like
> it. I admire her youthful energy and her enthusiasm.
>
> Face it, I'm not knocking anything we've put out for the parents, but I do
> wonder if there is a need for NFB literature targeted at a younger 
> audience.
> Face it, these kids may have many of the same struggles adults do. They 
> need
> to also be able to make friends, learn effective socialization, and other
> things. Like adults and work, kids are always needing to learn how to cope
> with school.
>
> I'm also not intending the literature to take the place of interactive
> training. I believe kids learn best in a highly interactive environment,
> whether it's provided by a school or with the parents.
>
> I'm also not wanting to say that parents can't do any teaching. They 
> should.
> But again, should someone write or record something for kids? In the 
> podcast
> I referred to, Eva uses examples from her own life to make her points. Her
> hope is that kids can relate to her stories, and as an adult, I feel drawn
> in just because she's being real.
>
> And no, the last thing I want to do is to water down our philosophy. I 
> want
> to keep it intact, but find out how we can help kids, especially 
> elementary
> and middle school students, relate to it.
>
> I'm not sure if there is a need for a lot of literature like this, but I'm
> just putting this out there as food for thought.
>
> I also recognize this potential gap because apart from our own literature, 
> I
> get nervous when I find a book for that audience with a blind character. 
> I'm
> always aware that any book written for that audience could fall into that
> trap of going for the old stereotypes, unless it's been written by one of
> our own members.
>
> Also, are there already books that do a good job of showing children the
> truth about blindness? If there are, I've not spotted them.
>
> I think once they hit high school, there is less of a need for such 
> targeted
> literature. They may need some things around being a teenager, but that's
> about it. Their minds are more developed, and with some guidance, they
> probably could work through our literature.
>
> Any thoughts? Thanks.
>
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 14:47:19 -0500
From: "Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter" <bkpollpeter at gmail.com>
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I find it interesting in this organization that any time someone suggest
trying a new idea, an out-of-the-box, fresh idea, people, especially
veterans of the org, equate it to watering down the philosophy. It's not
necessarily synnonomous.

First, children and teens often have a different understanding of
information than adults. But so can adults depending on a wide variety of
variables such as education, language barriers, vernacular used, secondary
disabilities and a wide range of other things. This is why most marketing
firms use plain language. It's not dumbing down information, but making it
as concise and precise as ossible, able to reach a large demo of people.

And it's a hard, cold fact that the brain of children and teens is very
different developmentally than older people, especially those 30 and older.
Even when they understand specific words, they don't always comprehend or
remember bigger concepts. There's a big difference between knowing the
definition of words and understanding concepts. For example, you can tell me
about theoretical physics, and when breaking down word-by-word, I can tell
you the definition of most words. However, as an entire concept, I still
don't understand it.

So, it's not about "dumbing" down but using language that when shaped into a
concept, makes sense for a majority. Which, for me, would indicate creating
material specific to young people is not a bad thing. And how anyone draws
the connection to better word choice and more precision of concepts to
changing the philosophy, well... that's quite the feat.

Also, during my tenure in this org, I'm always so surprised by how wordy our
literature and communications can be. Particularly when discussing comms
like brochures, you want as little text as possible. It's not just our org,
but I've definitely noticed our tendancy to over-explain, which, in a way,
is dumbing down, because the idea is that a simple sentence or two is not
enough; it requires more explanation. And the hallmark of good writing is
when it's done with clarity and precision.

We also have to look outside those of us who are members, especially
long-time members, who not only have read the literature but have been
immersed in this culture, met leaders, participated in conventions and
activities and know not only the philosophy but the rhetoric in our sleep.
When I try to use our packaged language, explaining the org to sighted
people or people unaffiliated with us, it doesn't always hold the same
meaning, because they are unfamiliar with it. We don't create literature,
language, communications for the members but the non-members. This must
always be present in our minds when creating and distributing literature.
When we did a branding overhaul a few years ago, the outside marketing firm
hired to assist helped us understand this in a way I don't think we did
before. In my opinion, the one-minute message and the way we now construct
our communications makes more sense, especially when trying to reach the
world outside the org. But we can still go further in reaching a majority.
Let's be real, not everyone, including our own membership hold doctorates or
JDs. We need to ensure what we say and how we say it, and the structure we
use to accomplish this makes as big as impact as possible, which means
tailoring our message for the largest audience possible. Again, this does
not equate to dumbing down. And BTW, it's sort of offensive to say that if
people don't understand something and require it explained differently that
they are dumb or need the language dumbed down. The goal is to make our
message clear, why does it matter how that's accomplished?

I recently gave a couple of presentations for a student retreat hosted by my
local NFB. Jernigan's speech "The Nature of Independence" was played. The
students were bored and didn't fully understand the point of it, and some of
them are connected with the Federation. The consensus of many of us adults
was that it may have been better to package the idea of the speech in our
own language and give a shorter presentation that was also interactive.
Honestly, students or adults, I often think this is the best result.

So, should we be more mindful of wording and gathering of concepts in
written form within our org? Yes, for sure, but not just for youth.

Bridgit

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To: 'Writers' Division Mailing List' <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Tina Hansen <th404 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Stylist] Food for Thought: NFB Literature for a Younger
Audience

I'm not sure I'd want to dumb down our philosophy. I'm after how to relate
the philosophy to a younger audience.

Back in 1995, there was an issue of Future Reflections that tried to do
that. We didn't have the one-minute message at the time, but the philosophy
was there. Our philosophy has stood 79 years, and I don't see it changing.
My thinking is that yes, kids may not yet have fully developed minds of an
adult, but they do need to be able to appreciate our philosophy. That is why
I'm asking this question. Is it necessary that the wording for a younger
audience should be different from an adult audience? Also, since technology
has indeed changed since that issue, how can we leverage technology to reach
the younger generation?

I also got this idea thanks to a podcast.

https://www.dreambigpodcast.com/