[TAGS] preferences for tactile models versus maps?
Matthew Gesualdi
matt at tact-ed.org
Thu Mar 31 23:29:44 UTC 2022
Well said Noel. All those ideas had the opposite effect of putting me to sleep, they made me think of how many ways there are to help people navigate in different, more customized ways.
Now I'm not sleeping, thanks Noel. *wink*
Matt Gesualdi
Tact-Ed.org
On Mar 31, 2022 2:28 PM, Noel Runyan via TAGS <tags at nfbnet.org> wrote:
Hello fellow tactile artists,
Warning, you may want to skip reading this
longish post, unless you need help getting to sleep.
So, clearly, you have all made good points in
response to Cheryl's questions, and
Cheryl deserves high praise for both her work
and for the questions she is asking.
It doesn't appear that there is a single format
or media that is best for all applications. 3-D
tactile Models seem to be nice for applications
for which the vertical size of features is important, for
appreciating the richness of the size, shape,
relative placement, and other
attributes. However, the third dimension is
usually not as important when the goal is
primarily navigating through an area to reach a
specific point or way points, while ignoring and
trying to avoid the major obstacles along the way.
It is essential to start by defining the purpose
of any tactile representation. Is it meant for
esthetic appreciation, navigation overview, way point location, or other needs?
It can be quite fulfilling to visit a museum that
accommodates visitors with either a book of
tactiles or has tactile representations located
nearby the points of interests. These tactiles
might include 2-D maps, text descriptions, and
tactile 2-D or 2.5-D representations. The
tactile drawings can be especially helpful for
things that we are not allowed to touch or may be
too large to appreciate with our hands.
The visitors center at the Muir Woods National
park, near San Francisco, has an extremely nice
3-D model of the park that takes up a very large table top area.
It gives all visitors a great overview of the
richness of the park, but it does not provide
much help for navigation through its
trails. Tactile signage and a cell phone app
that uses Bluetooth way point markers effectively
provide great access to the wonders of the park.
It is a nice example of using a variety of
tactile formats and other technologies to provide
a meaningful access experience.
Obviously, we visually impaired folks have a
variety of differing tactile skills, preferences
for different formats, and differing perspectives when using them.
I do like to use a 2-D raised line tactile map to
form a mental birds-eye view model of an area
like a train station, before I go there, but I
wouldn't want to try to use the tactile map while walking through the station.
However, there are many folks who cannot form a
birds-eye overview of a map. Instead, they
usually form a person-centered or ground-based
viewpoint. When working with the original
developers of the Arkenstone Atlas Speaks talking
map system, it took a lot of discussions to
convince them that the two different perspectives
needed to be recognized. Sighted folks who are
used to seeing visual maps often try to keep the
birds-eye view while navigating, and visualizing
their position on the map with North always at
the top. Others find that their ground-based map
is less of an overview and they let North shift around as they make turns.
The same two different perspectives hold for
navigators who are visually impaired. Some can
only work with ground-based, turn-by-turn
directions. The 2-D tactile maps can be helpful
for these folks to use before a trip, as it can
enable them to feel along the 2-D map to form a
list of turn-by-turn instructions that they
memorize or record as voice or text notes.
Even though they may not be building any sort of
2-D model of the map in their mind, they are
often converting the 2-D map into a linear list
of directions which is actually a 1-D map.
These 1-D maps can be rich in information such
as turn directions, distances, way points,
obstacles to avoid, and landmarks such as tiled
floor, plush carpet, noisy air vent, smelly bathroom, etc.
Such 1-D maps or directions lists are essential
for navigation by many folks. These 1-d maps
might be recorded in various media, such as voice
recordings, paper with large print or embossed
braille, or as digital text on a smart phone or other computerized device.
To accommodate folks who need to navigate from
this linear perspective, all museums, parks,
train stations, and other facilities should
always remember to provide these alternative
navigation instructions lists in accessible formats.
They should also remember that there is not one
single media, format or perspective that works for everybody.
Cordially,
Noel
-
Noel H. Runyan
Email: Noel at PersonalDataSystems.com
Phone: 1-408-866-7564
At 10:26 AM 3/31/2022, Cheryl Fogle-Hatch via TAGS wrote:
>Debbie, a good question, and I should have
>explained. They are re-opening after renovation
>and exhibits are in design. You are correct to
>ask about tactiles. That is another part of my
>consulting work with them. I'm thinking that
>I'll need to provide more background before
>posting another question. *smile* On 3/31/22,
>Deborah Kent Stein via TAGS <tags at nfbnet.org>
>wrote: > > > Will this museum have any tactually
>accessible exhibits? Why are they > interested
>in helping us navigate their floors? > > > >
>-----Original Message----- > From: TAGS
>[mailto:tags-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>Cheryl Fogle-Hatch > via TAGS > Sent: Thursday,
>March 31, 2022 10:58 AM > To: Tactile Art and
>Tactile Graphics Specialist list
><tags at nfbnet.org> > Cc: Cheryl Fogle-Hatch
><c.k.fogle at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [TAGS]
>preferences for tactile models versus maps? > >
>Thanks Dan, for your perspective about relative
>size and portability (or > not) of models. The
>separate maps per floor could be interesting as
>a > booklet. > > I asked the question as part of
>a project for a small museum (3 floors with >
>2-3 galleries per floor. For now, we are writing
>text directions to include > on the website, and
>I'm advising them to always refer to the
>galleries by > both name and their floor when
>announcing an event or exhibit. > > The question
>was asked about uses and preferences to inform
>decisions about > design and budgeting. I was
>hoping others had laid out considerations and >
>research and data. If not, I don't have plans to
>conduct research just now. > Debbie, sorry to
>get your hopes up. > > On 3/31/22, Dan Burke via
>TAGS <tags at nfbnet.org> wrote: >> Maps. Maps.
>Maps. >> >> At least if the purpose is
>navigation. Models would have to be much >>
>larger to be actually useful for navigation,
>would take longer to >> create, be unwieldy, if
>not immobile. I’m thinking of a model of a >>
>large building’s interior. It would have to be
>the size of a >> conference table probably, and
>how could it easily convey multiple >> floors?
>More time, more resources, more space, less
>utility than a map. >> >> And now I just saw
>matt’s comment about carrying multiple maps
>of >> different floors to navigate a building.
>That’s why I’d prefer a map >> over a model
>for navigation. I could carry multiple tactile
>maps, but not >> a model. >> >> I think the
>model question is part of the “All the Light
>We Cannot See†>> syndrome. The blind girl
>memorizing everything from the model of her >>
>town doesn’t really convey well what blind
>folks can effectively use. >> That part of the
>novel was the most frustrating to me because
>it >> carried with it a host of incorrect
>assumptions about blindness and blind >>
>people. >> >> Models for other purposes,
>however, are incredibly cool. Matt has a >>
>model he built of the May D&F tower in down
>Denver. It’s a Denver >> architectural icon,
>and I wouldn’t have a clue what it looked
>like >> without Matt’s model. But if I wanted
>to go there, I’d want a map. >> >>
>(smile) >> >> Dan >> >> >> >> From: TAGS
><tags-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Matthew
>Gesualdi via >> TAGS >> Sent: Thursday, March
>31, 2022 8:42 AM >> To: Tactile Art and Tactile
>Graphics Specialist list <tags at nfbnet.org> >>
>Cc: Matthew Gesualdi <matt at tact-ed.org> >>
>Subject: Re: [TAGS] preferences for tactile
>models versus maps? >> >> Hi Cheryl, >> When you
>say maps versus models, are you thinking that
>models would >> have more height to walls and
>built-in features as opposed to maps >> being
>more like low bas reliefs? >> Matt Gesualdi >>
>Tact-Ed.org >> >> On Mar 31, 2022 3:00 AM,
>Cheryl Fogle-Hatch via TAGS >>
><tags at nfbnet.org<mailto:tags at nfbnet.org>>
>wrote: >> Hello everyone. >> >> I was asked if
>blind people prefer tactile maps or tactile
>models when >> seeking information about
>navigating a building. I'm thinking this >>
>might be a personal preference, but I'm curious
>about different ideas. >> Does anyone know of
>research into this topic? >> >> Thanks in
>advance. >> >> -- >> Cheryl Fogle-Hatch,
>Ph.D. >> Archaeologist and Museum
>Professional >> (443) 939-8217 >>
>c.k.fogle at gmail.com<mailto:c.k.fogle at gmail.com> >
> > https://museumsenses.org >>
>https://www.linkedin.com/pub/cheryl-fogle-hatch >
> > >>
>_______________________________________________ >
> > TAGS mailing list >>
>TAGS at nfbnet.org<mailto:TAGS at nfbnet.org> >>
>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/tags_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or
>get your account info for >> TAGS: >>
>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/tags_nfbnet.org/matt%40tact-ed.org
> >> >> > > > -- > Cheryl Fogle-Hatch, Ph.D. >
>Archaeologist and Museum Professional > (443)
>939-8217 > c.k.fogle at gmail.com >
>https://museumsenses.org >
>https://www.linkedin.com/pub/cheryl-fogle-hatch >
> >
>_______________________________________________ >
> TAGS mailing list > TAGS at nfbnet.org >
>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/tags_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or
>get your account info for TAGS: >
>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/tags_nfbnet.org/dkent5817%40att.net
> > > > -- > This email has been checked for
>viruses by Avast antivirus software. >
>https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > >
>_______________________________________________ >
> TAGS mailing list > TAGS at nfbnet.org >
>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/tags_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or
>get your account info for TAGS: >
>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/tags_nfbnet.org/c.k.fogle%40gmail.com
> > -- Cheryl Fogle-Hatch, Ph.D. Archaeologist
>and Museum Professional (443) 939-8217
>c.k.fogle at gmail.com https://museumsenses.org
>https://www.linkedin.com/pub/cheryl-fogle-hatch
>_______________________________________________
>TAGS mailing list TAGS at nfbnet.org
>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/tags_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get
>your account info for TAGS:
>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/tags_nfbnet.org/noel%40personaldatasystems.com
>
_______________________________________________
TAGS mailing list
TAGS at nfbnet.org
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/tags_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for TAGS:
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/tags_nfbnet.org/matt%40tact-ed.org
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://nfbnet.org/pipermail/tags_nfbnet.org/attachments/20220331/9e893058/attachment.html>
More information about the TAGS
mailing list