[Trainer-talk] item for sale

Fri Nov 16 20:00:14 UTC 2012

I think it varies from state to state.  Here in Minnesota, for most customers, we transfer ownership for equipment and software upon delivery, -- the case is still active.  We want to tread adults like adults.

Consequently,  if they want to turn around and sell the stuff there is nothing we can, or should do, as long as they keep meeting their obligations towards their Individualized Plan for Employment. 

I will add two things, first it seems to me that if I legally own something then it isn't anybody's business what I paid for it and isn't a factor in selling it.  I should get what the market will bear.  Secondly, this thread really is off topic for this list.  It has nothing to do with blind trainers, or training blind persons.

David Andrews

-----Original Message-----
From: Trainer-talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Scott Blanks
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 1:47 PM
To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale

Certainly, if they are trying to sell an item while still receiving services from the state, this would not be ok. However, if their case has been closed successfully, either through gainful employment or otherwise, I believe the equipment becomes the property of the consumer. If that is no longer the case, or if this varies from state to state, please correct me. 

Scott Blanks
Director of Rehabilitation Services
Lions Center for the Blind
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-----Original Message-----
From: Trainer-talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 11:41 AM
To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale

hi,

you don't get it.
i don't care if someone gave a gift or if you saved your own money to purchase a major technical device then sell it when you don't use it or want something different.

the issue is with clients of a state agency getting a major technical device from tax payer dollars and selling it under that situation!
Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Blanks" <scott_blanks at lbcenter.org>
To: "List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology" 
<trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale

> Here here, David. This is in fact a free country, at last check. The tone 
> of some of the emails in response to this issue being raised is 
> aggressive, almost confrontational, and certainly not helpful on any 
> level.
>
> Scott Blanks
> Director of Rehabilitation Services
> Lions Center for the Blind
> Ph: 510-450-1580 Ext. 263
> Fx: 510-654-3603
> E: scott_blanks at lbcenter.org
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>
> Join us on Facebook.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trainer-talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> David Goldfield
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 9:32 AM
> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
>
> I'm not sure that I agree with you on this issue.  If I received a gift
> from someone for an occasion such as my birthday am I wrong to offer it
> for sale just because I did not have to pay for the item? If someone is
> offering to sell an item, whether it's a book or a computer, it doesn't
> occur to me to ask whether the seller acquired the item at no cost or
> whether it was purchased as a new or used item.  In 1987 I received a
> Versabraille P2C as a gift.  When it no longer met my needs I sold it
> two years later for around $2400.00. The buyer didn't ask how much I
> might have paid for the item and I have no guilt whatsoever in what I
> did as long as I sold it for a fair price.
>
> Gabe Vega wrote:
>> My issue with  VR  clients selling their equipment for high prices even 
>> half the price of the original price is that they got it for free. so how 
>> are they trying to make a substancial proffit off of it?
>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my MacbookAir
>> Blog: http://thebt.net
>> iMessage/Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>> Phone: (623) 565-9357
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2012, at 10:47 AM, "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> it's a good clue if the person is not willing to tell you the serial 
>>> number.
>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabe Vega" <theblindtech at gmail.com>
>>> To: "List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology" 
>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:42 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
>>>
>>>
>>>> can you answer honestly though if you bought this or if the state 
>>>> bought it for you? if so, how are you even justified in asking anywhere 
>>>> near that price?
>>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my MacbookAir
>>>> Blog: http://thebt.net
>>>> iMessage/Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>>>> Phone: (623) 565-9357
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 14, 2012, at 6:57 PM, "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good evening. I would like to sell a Pac Mate Omni QX440 with all 
>>>>> accessories. I would like $2,500, but wil take as little as $1,900. 
>>>>> The price is negotiable. the Omni is one year old.  Feel free to email 
>>>>> me off list. Thank you.
>>>>>    Sarah