[Trainer-talk] Item for sale
Jason Meddaugh
jj at bestmidi.com
Sun Nov 18 22:13:49 UTC 2012
There's another way to look at this.
If rehab purchases an item for a client such as a computer, it is assumed
that the item will become obsolete at some point. While selling the item may
be seen as profiting off of it, consider that often the money that is made
is used to purchase a more modern piece of technology. So in essence, rehab
enabled the user to begin procuring technology independently. While I could
attempt to drill down and find out the origin of every item sold on a
mailing list, I figure it's up to the conscious of the original seller to
decide what they feel is a fair way to sell their items.
J
----- Original Message -----
From: "nancy yeager" <nancyyeager542 at verizon.net>
To: <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:24 PM
Subject: [Trainer-talk] Item for sale
> Rehab clients are not always able to obtain the technology that they
> request, often because they are told that the item is not warranted based
> on
> their vocational goal or because the item is too expensive. In addition,
> states often look closely at budgets of rehabilitation agencies when state
> cost-cutting is thought necessary. It sends a message to those wishing to
> cut agency funding every time a piece of technology paid for with public
> money is sold by the recipient of that technology. It says that blind
> people are making money at the expense of the rehabilitation agency and
> the
> tax payers who fund it. Such behavior may cause agencies to become even
> more restrictive with their funding. So, if we sell our equipment paid
> for
> by tax payers we are potentially encouraging state agencies not to provide
> similar technology in the future. We are, in effect, saying to our fellow
> blind, I got what I needed and I don't really care if you get what you
> need.
> What comes from a rehabilitation is not given to us as a gift. Rather, it
> is given to us as a way to help us become fully functioning members of
> society.
>
> Nancy Yeager
>
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> 1. Re: item for sale (Bryan Schulz)
> 2. Re: item for sale (Scott Blanks)
> 3. item for sale (Sarah)
> 4. Re: item for sale (Andrews, David B (DEED))
> 5. Re: item for sale (Bryan Schulz)
> 6. students in spanish class (Brett Boyer)
> 7. Re: students in spanish class (Dean Martineau)
> 8. Re: students in spanish class (Julie Adkins)
> 9. Re: item for sale (Beth Koenig)
> 10. new member (Kimsan)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:41:11 -0600
> From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology"
> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
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> hi,
>
> you don't get it.
> i don't care if someone gave a gift or if you saved your own money to
> purchase a major technical device then sell it when you don't use it or
> want
> something different.
>
> the issue is with clients of a state agency getting a major technical
> device
> from tax payer dollars and selling it under that situation!
> Bryan Schulz
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Blanks" <scott_blanks at lbcenter.org>
> To: "List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology"
> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 11:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
>
>
>> Here here, David. This is in fact a free country, at last check. The tone
>> of some of the emails in response to this issue being raised is
>> aggressive, almost confrontational, and certainly not helpful on any
>> level.
>>
>> Scott Blanks
>> Director of Rehabilitation Services
>> Lions Center for the Blind
>> Ph: 510-450-1580 Ext. 263
>> Fx: 510-654-3603
>> E: scott_blanks at lbcenter.org
>> Visit us on the Web.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Trainer-talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> David Goldfield
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 9:32 AM
>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
>>
>> I'm not sure that I agree with you on this issue. If I received a gift
>> from someone for an occasion such as my birthday am I wrong to offer it
>> for sale just because I did not have to pay for the item? If someone is
>> offering to sell an item, whether it's a book or a computer, it doesn't
>> occur to me to ask whether the seller acquired the item at no cost or
>> whether it was purchased as a new or used item. In 1987 I received a
>> Versabraille P2C as a gift. When it no longer met my needs I sold it
>> two years later for around $2400.00. The buyer didn't ask how much I
>> might have paid for the item and I have no guilt whatsoever in what I
>> did as long as I sold it for a fair price.
>>
>> Gabe Vega wrote:
>>> My issue with VR clients selling their equipment for high prices even
>>> half the price of the original price is that they got it for free. so
>>> how
>
>>> are they trying to make a substancial proffit off of it?
>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my MacbookAir
>>> Blog: http://thebt.net
>>> iMessage/Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>>> Phone: (623) 565-9357
>>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2012, at 10:47 AM, "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> hi,
>>>>
>>>> it's a good clue if the person is not willing to tell you the serial
>>>> number.
>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabe Vega" <theblindtech at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology"
>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:42 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> can you answer honestly though if you bought this or if the state
>>>>> bought it for you? if so, how are you even justified in asking
>>>>> anywhere
>
>>>>> near that price?
>>>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my MacbookAir
>>>>> Blog: http://thebt.net
>>>>> iMessage/Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>>>>> Phone: (623) 565-9357
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 14, 2012, at 6:57 PM, "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good evening. I would like to sell a Pac Mate Omni QX440 with all
>>>>>> accessories. I would like $2,500, but wil take as little as $1,900.
>>>>>> The price is negotiable. the Omni is one year old. Feel free to
>>>>>> email
>
>>>>>> me off list. Thank you.
>>>>>> Sarah
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:46:39 -0600
> From: Scott Blanks <scott_blanks at lbcenter.org>
> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
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> Certainly, if they are trying to sell an item while still receiving
> services
> from the state, this would not be ok. However, if their case has been
> closed
> successfully, either through gainful employment or otherwise, I believe
> the
> equipment becomes the property of the consumer. If that is no longer the
> case, or if this varies from state to state, please correct me.
>
> Scott Blanks
> Director of Rehabilitation Services
> Lions Center for the Blind
> Ph: 510-450-1580 Ext. 263
> Fx: 510-654-3603
> E: scott_blanks at lbcenter.org
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trainer-talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bryan Schulz
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 11:41 AM
> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
>
> hi,
>
> you don't get it.
> i don't care if someone gave a gift or if you saved your own money to
> purchase a major technical device then sell it when you don't use it or
> want
>
> something different.
>
> the issue is with clients of a state agency getting a major technical
> device
>
> from tax payer dollars and selling it under that situation!
> Bryan Schulz
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Blanks" <scott_blanks at lbcenter.org>
> To: "List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology"
> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 11:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
>
>
>> Here here, David. This is in fact a free country, at last check. The tone
>> of some of the emails in response to this issue being raised is
>> aggressive, almost confrontational, and certainly not helpful on any
>> level.
>>
>> Scott Blanks
>> Director of Rehabilitation Services
>> Lions Center for the Blind
>> Ph: 510-450-1580 Ext. 263
>> Fx: 510-654-3603
>> E: scott_blanks at lbcenter.org
>> Visit us on the Web.
>>
>> Join us on Facebook.
>>
>> Follow us on Twitter.
>>
>> Connect with us on LinkedIn.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Trainer-talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> David Goldfield
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 9:32 AM
>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
>>
>> I'm not sure that I agree with you on this issue. If I received a gift
>> from someone for an occasion such as my birthday am I wrong to offer it
>> for sale just because I did not have to pay for the item? If someone is
>> offering to sell an item, whether it's a book or a computer, it doesn't
>> occur to me to ask whether the seller acquired the item at no cost or
>> whether it was purchased as a new or used item. In 1987 I received a
>> Versabraille P2C as a gift. When it no longer met my needs I sold it
>> two years later for around $2400.00. The buyer didn't ask how much I
>> might have paid for the item and I have no guilt whatsoever in what I
>> did as long as I sold it for a fair price.
>>
>> Gabe Vega wrote:
>>> My issue with VR clients selling their equipment for high prices even
>>> half the price of the original price is that they got it for free. so
>>> how
>
>>> are they trying to make a substancial proffit off of it?
>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my MacbookAir
>>> Blog: http://thebt.net
>>> iMessage/Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>>> Phone: (623) 565-9357
>>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2012, at 10:47 AM, "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> hi,
>>>>
>>>> it's a good clue if the person is not willing to tell you the serial
>>>> number.
>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabe Vega" <theblindtech at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology"
>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:42 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> can you answer honestly though if you bought this or if the state
>>>>> bought it for you? if so, how are you even justified in asking
>>>>> anywhere
>
>>>>> near that price?
>>>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my MacbookAir
>>>>> Blog: http://thebt.net
>>>>> iMessage/Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>>>>> Phone: (623) 565-9357
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 14, 2012, at 6:57 PM, "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good evening. I would like to sell a Pac Mate Omni QX440 with all
>>>>>> accessories. I would like $2,500, but wil take as little as $1,900.
>>>>>> The price is negotiable. the Omni is one year old. Feel free to
>>>>>> email
>
>>>>>> me off list. Thank you.
>>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:58:00 -0600
> From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
> To: <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
> Message-ID: <BLU170-DS17C93F52445B7CE1742467B7510 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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> Good afternoon. I would like to respond to some of the comments made after
> I
> posted an item for sale a few days ago. I purchased a Pac Mate Omni QX440
> last year. However, it no longer meets my needs so I would like to sell
> it.
> For someone to question my motives for selling the device is just rude!
> Sarah
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 20:00:14 +0000
> From: "Andrews, David B (DEED)" <david.b.andrews at state.mn.us>
> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
> Message-ID:
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> I think it varies from state to state. Here in Minnesota, for most
> customers, we transfer ownership for equipment and software upon delivery,
> -- the case is still active. We want to tread adults like adults.
>
> Consequently, if they want to turn around and sell the stuff there is
> nothing we can, or should do, as long as they keep meeting their
> obligations
> towards their Individualized Plan for Employment.
>
> I will add two things, first it seems to me that if I legally own
> something
> then it isn't anybody's business what I paid for it and isn't a factor in
> selling it. I should get what the market will bear. Secondly, this
> thread
> really is off topic for this list. It has nothing to do with blind
> trainers, or training blind persons.
>
> David Andrews
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trainer-talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Scott Blanks
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 1:47 PM
> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
>
> Certainly, if they are trying to sell an item while still receiving
> services
> from the state, this would not be ok. However, if their case has been
> closed
> successfully, either through gainful employment or otherwise, I believe
> the
> equipment becomes the property of the consumer. If that is no longer the
> case, or if this varies from state to state, please correct me.
>
> Scott Blanks
> Director of Rehabilitation Services
> Lions Center for the Blind
> Ph: 510-450-1580 Ext. 263
> Fx: 510-654-3603
> E: scott_blanks at lbcenter.org
> Visit us on the Web.
>
> Join us on Facebook.
>
> Follow us on Twitter.
>
> Connect with us on LinkedIn.
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trainer-talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bryan Schulz
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 11:41 AM
> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
>
> hi,
>
> you don't get it.
> i don't care if someone gave a gift or if you saved your own money to
> purchase a major technical device then sell it when you don't use it or
> want
> something different.
>
> the issue is with clients of a state agency getting a major technical
> device
> from tax payer dollars and selling it under that situation!
> Bryan Schulz
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Blanks" <scott_blanks at lbcenter.org>
> To: "List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology"
> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 11:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
>
>
>> Here here, David. This is in fact a free country, at last check. The tone
>> of some of the emails in response to this issue being raised is
>> aggressive, almost confrontational, and certainly not helpful on any
>> level.
>>
>> Scott Blanks
>> Director of Rehabilitation Services
>> Lions Center for the Blind
>> Ph: 510-450-1580 Ext. 263
>> Fx: 510-654-3603
>> E: scott_blanks at lbcenter.org
>> Visit us on the Web.
>>
>> Join us on Facebook.
>>
>> Follow us on Twitter.
>>
>> Connect with us on LinkedIn.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Trainer-talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> David Goldfield
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 9:32 AM
>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
>>
>> I'm not sure that I agree with you on this issue. If I received a gift
>> from someone for an occasion such as my birthday am I wrong to offer it
>> for sale just because I did not have to pay for the item? If someone is
>> offering to sell an item, whether it's a book or a computer, it doesn't
>> occur to me to ask whether the seller acquired the item at no cost or
>> whether it was purchased as a new or used item. In 1987 I received a
>> Versabraille P2C as a gift. When it no longer met my needs I sold it
>> two years later for around $2400.00. The buyer didn't ask how much I
>> might have paid for the item and I have no guilt whatsoever in what I
>> did as long as I sold it for a fair price.
>>
>> Gabe Vega wrote:
>>> My issue with VR clients selling their equipment for high prices even
>>> half the price of the original price is that they got it for free. so
>>> how
>
>>> are they trying to make a substancial proffit off of it?
>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my MacbookAir
>>> Blog: http://thebt.net
>>> iMessage/Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>>> Phone: (623) 565-9357
>>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2012, at 10:47 AM, "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> hi,
>>>>
>>>> it's a good clue if the person is not willing to tell you the serial
>>>> number.
>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabe Vega" <theblindtech at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology"
>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:42 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> can you answer honestly though if you bought this or if the state
>>>>> bought it for you? if so, how are you even justified in asking
>>>>> anywhere
>
>>>>> near that price?
>>>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my MacbookAir
>>>>> Blog: http://thebt.net
>>>>> iMessage/Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>>>>> Phone: (623) 565-9357
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 14, 2012, at 6:57 PM, "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good evening. I would like to sell a Pac Mate Omni QX440 with all
>>>>>> accessories. I would like $2,500, but wil take as little as $1,900.
>>>>>> The price is negotiable. the Omni is one year old. Feel free to
>>>>>> email
>
>>>>>> me off list. Thank you.
>>>>>> Sarah
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:30:27 -0600
> From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
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> hi,
>
> i wasn't thinking of your device and never asked for your serial number.
> i have seen items onvarious list and have wondered if the situation was
> legit.
> in one case, a guy was trying to sell pirate copies of jaws.
> Bryan Schulz
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
> To: <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 1:58 PM
> Subject: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
>
>
>> Good afternoon. I would like to respond to some of the comments made
>> after
>
>> I posted an item for sale a few days ago. I purchased a Pac Mate Omni
>> QX440 last year. However, it no longer meets my needs so I would like to
>> sell it. For someone to question my motives for selling the device is
>> just
>
>> rude!
>> Sarah
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> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:55:41 -0800
> From: "Brett Boyer" <bboyer202 at gmail.com>
> To: "'List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology'"
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> Subject: [Trainer-talk] students in spanish class
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> Hi. I have a student who is taking Spanish. There seems to be a bit of a
> communication issue between reading the Spanish Braille, reading Spanish
> in
> ms word, and writing Spanish on the keyboard. Was wondering if anyone had
> any resources to help this young man.
> Also, at his school they have a language lab with a selection of software
> to
> learn Spanish. Has anyone had any experience with things like Rosetta
> Stone
> or Pymslar while using jaws or window-eyes? They have old videos he can
> watch but all of the other students are using interactive software.
> Thanks for your help
> bb
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:12:40 -0800
> From: "Dean Martineau" <dean at topdotenterprises.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] students in spanish class
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> Hello. I can probably help you with this. Forget Rosetta Stopne,
> Pimsleur
> sill be much better. Yes, rosetta Stone is interactive, but it is also
> inaccessible. There are also oodles of podcasts available.
>
> The student should be able to imput Spanish using the JAWS insert+4 dialog
> if using JfW. If not, the accents can be entered in word with the use of
> a
> "dead key," ctrl+apostrophe, followed by the letter to accent. I've seen
> this not work, nowever, and if this happens it is easy to assign
> keystrokes
> to the accented letters. In braille, there are symbols for each of the
> accented letters. Assuming his materials have been transcribed at all
> correctly, this should pose no problem.
>
> Dean
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trainer-talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Brett Boyer
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 1:56 PM
> To: 'List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology'
> Subject: [Trainer-talk] students in spanish class
>
> Hi. I have a student who is taking Spanish. There seems to be a bit of a
> communication issue between reading the Spanish Braille, reading Spanish
> in
> ms word, and writing Spanish on the keyboard. Was wondering if anyone had
> any resources to help this young man.
> Also, at his school they have a language lab with a selection of software
> to
> learn Spanish. Has anyone had any experience with things like Rosetta
> Stone
> or Pymslar while using jaws or window-eyes? They have old videos he can
> watch but all of the other students are using interactive software.
> Thanks for your help
> bb
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:12:54 -0500
> From: "Julie Adkins" <jadkins at mabnc.org>
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> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] students in spanish class
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> I've attached how to form the accents on the keyboard. You hold down the
> Alt key and press the appropriate numbers on the numeric keypad. Num Lock
> must be turned on.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trainer-talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Brett Boyer
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 4:56 PM
> To: 'List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology'
> Subject: [Trainer-talk] students in spanish class
>
> Hi. I have a student who is taking Spanish. There seems to be a bit of a
> communication issue between reading the Spanish Braille, reading Spanish
> in
> ms word, and writing Spanish on the keyboard. Was wondering if anyone had
> any resources to help this young man.
> Also, at his school they have a language lab with a selection of software
> to
> learn Spanish. Has anyone had any experience with things like Rosetta
> Stone
> or Pymslar while using jaws or window-eyes? They have old videos he can
> watch but all of the other students are using interactive software.
> Thanks for your help
> bb
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:19:26 -0800
> From: Beth Koenig <bethko at gmail.com>
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> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
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> Actually, it is relavent to technology. As we are talking about the
> economics of the AT technology. This is an important discussion. Granted
> it
> could have been worded in a way that would not have been so negative on
> someone who was just trying to sell a piece of equipment.
> I would love to know if anyone knows what California policies are.
> Thanks,
> Beth Koenig
> bethko at gmail.com
> -- Sent from my phone.
> On Nov 16, 2012 12:02 PM, "Andrews, David B (DEED)" <
> david.b.andrews at state.mn.us> wrote:
>
>> I think it varies from state to state. Here in Minnesota, for most
>> customers, we transfer ownership for equipment and software upon
>> delivery,
>> -- the case is still active. We want to tread adults like adults.
>>
>> Consequently, if they want to turn around and sell the stuff there is
>> nothing we can, or should do, as long as they keep meeting their
>> obligations towards their Individualized Plan for Employment.
>>
>> I will add two things, first it seems to me that if I legally own
>> something then it isn't anybody's business what I paid for it and isn't a
>> factor in selling it. I should get what the market will bear. Secondly,
>> this thread really is off topic for this list. It has nothing to do with
>> blind trainers, or training blind persons.
>>
>> David Andrews
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Trainer-talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Scott Blanks
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 1:47 PM
>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
>>
>> Certainly, if they are trying to sell an item while still receiving
>> services from the state, this would not be ok. However, if their case has
>> been closed successfully, either through gainful employment or otherwise,
> I
>> believe the equipment becomes the property of the consumer. If that is no
>> longer the case, or if this varies from state to state, please correct
>> me.
>>
>> Scott Blanks
>> Director of Rehabilitation Services
>> Lions Center for the Blind
>> Ph: 510-450-1580 Ext. 263
>> Fx: 510-654-3603
>> E: scott_blanks at lbcenter.org
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Trainer-talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Bryan Schulz
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 11:41 AM
>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> you don't get it.
>> i don't care if someone gave a gift or if you saved your own money to
>> purchase a major technical device then sell it when you don't use it or
>> want something different.
>>
>> the issue is with clients of a state agency getting a major technical
>> device from tax payer dollars and selling it under that situation!
>> Bryan Schulz
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Scott Blanks" <scott_blanks at lbcenter.org>
>> To: "List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology"
>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 11:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
>>
>>
>> > Here here, David. This is in fact a free country, at last check. The
> tone
>> > of some of the emails in response to this issue being raised is
>> > aggressive, almost confrontational, and certainly not helpful on any
>> > level.
>> >
>> > Scott Blanks
>> > Director of Rehabilitation Services
>> > Lions Center for the Blind
>> > Ph: 510-450-1580 Ext. 263
>> > Fx: 510-654-3603
>> > E: scott_blanks at lbcenter.org
>> > Visit us on the Web.
>> >
>> > Join us on Facebook.
>> >
>> > Follow us on Twitter.
>> >
>> > Connect with us on LinkedIn.
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Trainer-talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> > Of
>> > David Goldfield
>> > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 9:32 AM
>> > To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>> > Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
>> >
>> > I'm not sure that I agree with you on this issue. If I received a gift
>> > from someone for an occasion such as my birthday am I wrong to offer it
>> > for sale just because I did not have to pay for the item? If someone is
>> > offering to sell an item, whether it's a book or a computer, it doesn't
>> > occur to me to ask whether the seller acquired the item at no cost or
>> > whether it was purchased as a new or used item. In 1987 I received a
>> > Versabraille P2C as a gift. When it no longer met my needs I sold it
>> > two years later for around $2400.00. The buyer didn't ask how much I
>> > might have paid for the item and I have no guilt whatsoever in what I
>> > did as long as I sold it for a fair price.
>> >
>> > Gabe Vega wrote:
>> >> My issue with VR clients selling their equipment for high prices
>> >> even
>> >> half the price of the original price is that they got it for free. so
>> how
>> >> are they trying to make a substancial proffit off of it?
>> >> Gabe Vega - Sent from my MacbookAir
>> >> Blog: http://thebt.net
>> >> iMessage/Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>> >> Phone: (623) 565-9357
>> >>
>> >> On Nov 15, 2012, at 10:47 AM, "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> it's a good clue if the person is not willing to tell you the serial
>> >>> number.
>> >>> Bryan Schulz
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabe Vega"
>> >>> <theblindtech at gmail.com
>> >
>> >>> To: "List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology"
>> >>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:42 AM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] item for sale
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> can you answer honestly though if you bought this or if the state
>> >>>> bought it for you? if so, how are you even justified in asking
>> anywhere
>> >>>> near that price?
>> >>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my MacbookAir
>> >>>> Blog: http://thebt.net
>> >>>> iMessage/Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>> >>>> Phone: (623) 565-9357
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Nov 14, 2012, at 6:57 PM, "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Good evening. I would like to sell a Pac Mate Omni QX440 with all
>> >>>>> accessories. I would like $2,500, but wil take as little as $1,900.
>> >>>>> The price is negotiable. the Omni is one year old. Feel free to
>> email
>> >>>>> me off list. Thank you.
>> >>>>> Sarah
>>
>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:56:11 -0800
> From: "Kimsan" <kimsan at blindaccesstraining.com>
> To: <Trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Trainer-talk] new member
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> Hello:
>
> My name is Kimsan Song.
>
> I just subscribed to this list.
>
> I am the owner of http://www.blindaccesstraining.com/ where we provide
> online training in screen readers, IPhones and web design.
>
> Again, just signed up this morning and am here to say hello.
>
> Take care.
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