[Trainer-talk] Trainer-talk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 9
Dr. Denise M Robinson
deniserob at gmail.com
Wed Sep 26 18:02:13 UTC 2012
works with kurzweil or openbook---can't remember price---around 100 give or
take
Denise
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Bonnie Lucas <BLucas at alaskabvi.org> wrote:
> In reading this thread, I also have a question.-- does K1000 work with
> this Brother scanner, or is Open Book the best way to go? Also, any idea as
> to the price of the Brother? Thanks.
>
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> 1. Re: Stand Alone Scanner (Blaine Clark)
> 2. Another Scanner Question (Chip Johnson)
> 3. Re: Stand Alone Scanner (Dr. Denise M Robinson)
> 4. Re: Another Scanner Question (Dr. Denise M Robinson)
> 5. Re: Another Scanner Question (Julie McLean)
> 6. Re: Another Scanner Question (Dr. Denise M Robinson)
> 7. Re: Another Scanner Question (Jaquiss, Robert)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:05:32 -0400
> From: Blaine Clark <blaineclrk at gmail.com>
> To: trainer-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Stand Alone Scanner
> Message-ID: <5062007C.6080307 at gmail.com>
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> Have you considered using a web cam mounted on a stand and aimed down
> toward a table or desktop on which the reading material is moved around or
> if the mount is mobile, the camera can be moved over the material?
> The web cam can be operated through any program that can either adjust
> resolution and magnification or a magnifier program can enlarge portions of
> the program's window on your computer monitor. I've done this with Linux, a
> cheap $15 web cam hung on the edge of my monitor and the program for Linux
> called Cheese to see for myself how easily it can be done. With the cheap
> web cam the results weren't bad at all. I could read the fine print on a
> garden seed package with no problems, but it could have been better with a
> better web cam with better resolution or if I had used a magnifier program.
> You would want some other type of mounting arm above a table to afford more
> clearance to move the material than what I used, especially large pages
> such as newspapers, but that could be easily done with some scrap wood and
> some clamps or screws.
>
> There has to be a way to do this in Microsoft, but if there isn't it can
> be easily done in Linux. I don't think you can do this much less
> expensively or with more flexibility. Depending on the quality of the web
> cam and the features of the viewing program plus the bit of mounting
> hardware or wood to securely hang the camera on you should be able to put
> this together for much less than $100, perhaps even under $50.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:58:14 -0600
> From: "Chip Johnson" <cjohnson at cocenter.org>
> To: "Trainer Talk" <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Trainer-talk] Another Scanner Question
> Message-ID: <000a01cd9b58$1aaf8430$500e8c90$@cocenter.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hello All,
>
> Since we're talking about scanners, can anyone recommend a good-quality
> book-edge scanner for a college student. I'm hesitant to go with one of the
> cheaper scanners as the student may need to scan a significant amount of
> material depending on which books are available. He'll be using Kurzweil
> 1000. Thanks for any thoughts.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Chip Johnson,
>
> Technology Specialist/instructor
>
> Colorado Center for the Blind
>
> 2233 W Shepperd Ave.
>
> Littleton, CO 80120
>
> 303 778-1130
>
> 303) 778-1598 fax
>
> <mailto:cjohnson at cocenter.org> cjohnson at cocenter.org
>
> <http://www.cocenter.org> www.cocenter.org
>
> Take charge with confidence and self-reliance.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:31:46 -0700
> From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson" <deniserob at gmail.com>
> To: blaineclrk at gmail.com, List for teachers and trainers of adaptive
> technology <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Stand Alone Scanner
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> I train many people...the stand alone is the worst for people...have a
> scanner where you can insert it and you will have more success with the
> scan denise
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Blaine Clark <blaineclrk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Have you considered using a web cam mounted on a stand and aimed down
> > toward a table or desktop on which the reading material is moved
> > around or if the mount is mobile, the camera can be moved over the
> > material? The web cam can be operated through any program that can
> > either adjust resolution and magnification or a magnifier program can
> > enlarge portions of the program's window on your computer monitor.
> > I've done this with Linux, a cheap $15 web cam hung on the edge of my
> > monitor and the program for Linux called Cheese to see for myself how
> > easily it can be done. With the cheap web cam the results weren't bad
> > at all. I could read the fine print on a garden seed package with no
> > problems, but it could have been better with a better web cam with
> better resolution or if I had used a magnifier program.
> > You would want some other type of mounting arm above a table to afford
> > more clearance to move the material than what I used, especially large
> > pages such as newspapers, but that could be easily done with some
> > scrap wood and some clamps or screws.
> >
> > There has to be a way to do this in Microsoft, but if there isn't it
> > can be easily done in Linux. I don't think you can do this much less
> > expensively or with more flexibility. Depending on the quality of the
> > web cam and the features of the viewing program plus the bit of
> > mounting hardware or wood to securely hang the camera on you should be
> > able to put this together for much less than $100, perhaps even under
> $50.
> >
> >
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> --
> *Denise*
>
> Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D.
> CEO, TechVision, LLC
> Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision
> 509-674-1853
>
> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office
> products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with
> keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com
>
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it." --Chinese Proverb
>
> Computers are incredibly fast, accurate, and stupid: humans are incredibly
> slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond
> imagination.
> --Albert Einstein
>
> It's kind of fun to do the impossible.
> --Walt Disney
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:40:07 -0700
> From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson" <deniserob at gmail.com>
> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Another Scanner Question
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> brother ds mobile scanner
> Denise
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Chip Johnson <cjohnson at cocenter.org
> >wrote:
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Since we're talking about scanners, can anyone recommend a
> > good-quality book-edge scanner for a college student. I'm hesitant to
> > go with one of the cheaper scanners as the student may need to scan a
> > significant amount of material depending on which books are available.
> > He'll be using Kurzweil 1000. Thanks for any thoughts.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chip Johnson,
> >
> > Technology Specialist/instructor
> >
> > Colorado Center for the Blind
> >
> > 2233 W Shepperd Ave.
> >
> > Littleton, CO 80120
> >
> > 303 778-1130
> >
> > 303) 778-1598 fax
> >
> > <mailto:cjohnson at cocenter.org> cjohnson at cocenter.org
> >
> > <http://www.cocenter.org> www.cocenter.org
> >
> > Take charge with confidence and self-reliance.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> --
> *Denise*
>
> Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D.
> CEO, TechVision, LLC
> Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision
> 509-674-1853
>
> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office
> products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with
> keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com
>
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it." --Chinese Proverb
>
> Computers are incredibly fast, accurate, and stupid: humans are incredibly
> slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond
> imagination.
> --Albert Einstein
>
> It's kind of fun to do the impossible.
> --Walt Disney
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 07:02:06 -0400
> From: "Julie McLean" <julie.mclean at cox.net>
> To: "'List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology'"
> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Another Scanner Question
> Message-ID: <000001cd9bd6$5e940d00$1bbc2700$@cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Thanks for all of your suggestions. The client used Openbook for many
> years and somehow she has decided she would be better off with a stand
> alone unit.
> I don't agree with her. Client is still using XP with Window Eyes. She has
> no vision, a significant hearing loss and her husband can only read at
> about a 6th grade level.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dr. Denise M
> Robinson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:40 PM
> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Another Scanner Question
>
> brother ds mobile scanner
> Denise
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Chip Johnson <cjohnson at cocenter.org
> >wrote:
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Since we're talking about scanners, can anyone recommend a
> > good-quality book-edge scanner for a college student. I'm hesitant to
> > go with one of
> the
> > cheaper scanners as the student may need to scan a significant amount
> > of material depending on which books are available. He'll be using
> > Kurzweil 1000. Thanks for any thoughts.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chip Johnson,
> >
> > Technology Specialist/instructor
> >
> > Colorado Center for the Blind
> >
> > 2233 W Shepperd Ave.
> >
> > Littleton, CO 80120
> >
> > 303 778-1130
> >
> > 303) 778-1598 fax
> >
> > <mailto:cjohnson at cocenter.org> cjohnson at cocenter.org
> >
> > <http://www.cocenter.org> www.cocenter.org
> >
> > Take charge with confidence and self-reliance.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
>
>
> --
> *Denise*
>
> Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D.
> CEO, TechVision, LLC
> Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision
> 509-674-1853
>
> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office
> products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with
> keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com
>
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it." --Chinese Proverb
>
> Computers are incredibly fast, accurate, and stupid: humans are incredibly
> slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond
> imagination.
> --Albert Einstein
>
> It's kind of fun to do the impossible.
> --Walt Disney
> _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 05:19:30 -0700
> From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson" <deniserob at gmail.com>
> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Another Scanner Question
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>
> Hmmm....well, we learn more from our failures than our successes....when
> she struggles, that is the time to give her other options....or try to give
> them options now for her to go through, but if she does not listen, then go
> her route and see what happens. We think we want something when it really
> turns out, it is not the best for us.
> Denise
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:02 AM, Julie McLean <julie.mclean at cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for all of your suggestions. The client used Openbook for many
> > years and somehow she has decided she would be better off with a stand
> > alone unit.
> > I don't agree with her. Client is still using XP with Window Eyes. She
> > has no vision, a significant hearing loss and her husband can only
> > read at about a 6th grade level.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dr. Denise M
> > Robinson
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:40 PM
> > To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
> > Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Another Scanner Question
> >
> > brother ds mobile scanner
> > Denise
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Chip Johnson <cjohnson at cocenter.org
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > Since we're talking about scanners, can anyone recommend a
> > > good-quality book-edge scanner for a college student. I'm hesitant
> > > to go with one of
> > the
> > > cheaper scanners as the student may need to scan a significant
> > > amount of material depending on which books are available. He'll be
> > > using Kurzweil 1000. Thanks for any thoughts.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Chip Johnson,
> > >
> > > Technology Specialist/instructor
> > >
> > > Colorado Center for the Blind
> > >
> > > 2233 W Shepperd Ave.
> > >
> > > Littleton, CO 80120
> > >
> > > 303 778-1130
> > >
> > > 303) 778-1598 fax
> > >
> > > <mailto:cjohnson at cocenter.org> cjohnson at cocenter.org
> > >
> > > <http://www.cocenter.org> www.cocenter.org
> > >
> > > Take charge with confidence and self-reliance.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Denise*
> >
> > Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D.
> > CEO, TechVision, LLC
> > Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision
> > 509-674-1853
> >
> > Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC,
> > Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with
> > keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com
> >
> > "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one
> > who is doing it." --Chinese Proverb
> >
> > Computers are incredibly fast, accurate, and stupid: humans are
> > incredibly slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful
> > beyond imagination.
> > --Albert Einstein
> >
> > It's kind of fun to do the impossible.
> > --Walt Disney
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
> *Denise*
>
> Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D.
> CEO, TechVision, LLC
> Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision
> 509-674-1853
>
> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office
> products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with
> keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com
>
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it." --Chinese Proverb
>
> Computers are incredibly fast, accurate, and stupid: humans are incredibly
> slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond
> imagination.
> --Albert Einstein
>
> It's kind of fun to do the impossible.
> --Walt Disney
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:42:55 +0000
> From: "Jaquiss, Robert" <RJaquiss at nfb.org>
> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Another Scanner Question
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> Hello:
>
> For those of you who don't know, both Openbook and Kurzweil K1000 can
> be set up so they automatically start up when Windows boots. The result is
> essentially a stand alone scanner.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert
>
>
> Robert Jaquiss
> Access Technology Specialist
> National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute
> 200 E. Wells Street at Jernigan Place
> Baltimore, MD 21230
> Phone: (410) 659-9314, Ext.2422
> Email: rjaquiss at nfb.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:
> trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie McLean
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 7:02 AM
> To: 'List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology'
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Another Scanner Question
>
> Thanks for all of your suggestions. The client used Openbook for many
> years and somehow she has decided she would be better off with a stand
> alone unit.
> I don't agree with her. Client is still using XP with Window Eyes. She has
> no vision, a significant hearing loss and her husband can only read at
> about a 6th grade level.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dr. Denise M
> Robinson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:40 PM
> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Another Scanner Question
>
> brother ds mobile scanner
> Denise
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Chip Johnson <cjohnson at cocenter.org
> >wrote:
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Since we're talking about scanners, can anyone recommend a
> > good-quality book-edge scanner for a college student. I'm hesitant to
> > go with one of
> the
> > cheaper scanners as the student may need to scan a significant amount
> > of material depending on which books are available. He'll be using
> > Kurzweil 1000. Thanks for any thoughts.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chip Johnson,
> >
> > Technology Specialist/instructor
> >
> > Colorado Center for the Blind
> >
> > 2233 W Shepperd Ave.
> >
> > Littleton, CO 80120
> >
> > 303 778-1130
> >
> > 303) 778-1598 fax
> >
> > <mailto:cjohnson at cocenter.org> cjohnson at cocenter.org
> >
> > <http://www.cocenter.org> www.cocenter.org
> >
> > Take charge with confidence and self-reliance.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Trainer-talk mailing list
> > Trainer-talk at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/trainer-talk_nfbnet.org
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> com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> *Denise*
>
> Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D.
> CEO, TechVision, LLC
> Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision
> 509-674-1853
>
> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office
> products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with
> keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com
>
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it." --Chinese Proverb
>
> Computers are incredibly fast, accurate, and stupid: humans are incredibly
> slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond
> imagination.
> --Albert Einstein
>
> It's kind of fun to do the impossible.
> --Walt Disney
> _______________________________________________
> Trainer-talk mailing list
> Trainer-talk at nfbnet.org
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