[Trainer-talk] Trainer-talk Digest, Vol 86, Issue 9

Bonnie Lucas BLucas at alaskabvi.org
Wed Sep 26 17:31:54 UTC 2012


In reading this thread, I also have a question.-- does K1000 work with this Brother scanner, or is Open Book the best way to go? Also, any idea as to the price of the Brother? Thanks.


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Stand Alone Scanner (Blaine Clark)
   2. Another Scanner Question (Chip Johnson)
   3. Re: Stand Alone Scanner (Dr. Denise M Robinson)
   4. Re: Another Scanner Question (Dr. Denise M Robinson)
   5. Re: Another Scanner Question (Julie McLean)
   6. Re: Another Scanner Question (Dr. Denise M Robinson)
   7. Re: Another Scanner Question (Jaquiss, Robert)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:05:32 -0400
From: Blaine Clark <blaineclrk at gmail.com>
To: trainer-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Stand Alone Scanner
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Have you considered using a web cam mounted on a stand and aimed down toward a table or desktop on which the reading material is moved around or if the mount is mobile, the camera can be moved over the material? 
The web cam can be operated  through any program that can either adjust resolution and magnification or a magnifier program can enlarge portions of the program's window on your computer monitor. I've done this with Linux, a cheap $15 web cam hung on the edge of my monitor and the program for Linux called Cheese to see for myself how easily it can be done. With the cheap web cam the results weren't bad at all. I could read the fine print on a garden seed package with no problems, but it could have been better with a better web cam with better resolution or if I had used a magnifier program. You would want some other type of mounting arm above a table to afford more clearance to move the material than what I used, especially large pages such as newspapers, but that could be easily done with some scrap wood and some clamps or screws.

There has to be a way to do this in Microsoft, but if there isn't it can be easily done in Linux. I don't think you can do this much less expensively or with more flexibility. Depending on the quality of the web cam and the features of the viewing program plus the bit of mounting hardware or wood to securely hang the camera on you should be able to put this together for much less than $100, perhaps even under $50.




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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:58:14 -0600
From: "Chip Johnson" <cjohnson at cocenter.org>
To: "Trainer Talk" <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [Trainer-talk] Another Scanner Question
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Hello All,

Since we're talking about scanners, can anyone recommend a good-quality book-edge scanner for a college student. I'm hesitant to go with one of the cheaper scanners as the student may need to scan a significant amount of material depending on which books are available. He'll be using Kurzweil 1000. Thanks for any thoughts.

 

 

 

Chip Johnson, 

Technology Specialist/instructor

Colorado Center for the Blind

2233 W Shepperd Ave.

Littleton, CO 80120

303 778-1130 

303) 778-1598 fax

 <mailto:cjohnson at cocenter.org> cjohnson at cocenter.org

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Take charge with confidence and self-reliance.

 



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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:31:46 -0700
From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson" <deniserob at gmail.com>
To: blaineclrk at gmail.com, 	List for teachers and trainers of adaptive
	technology	<trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Stand Alone Scanner
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I train many people...the stand alone is the worst for people...have a scanner where you can insert it and you will have more success with the scan denise

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Blaine Clark <blaineclrk at gmail.com> wrote:

> Have you considered using a web cam mounted on a stand and aimed down 
> toward a table or desktop on which the reading material is moved 
> around or if the mount is mobile, the camera can be moved over the 
> material? The web cam can be operated  through any program that can 
> either adjust resolution and magnification or a magnifier program can 
> enlarge portions of the program's window on your computer monitor. 
> I've done this with Linux, a cheap $15 web cam hung on the edge of my 
> monitor and the program for Linux called Cheese to see for myself how 
> easily it can be done. With the cheap web cam the results weren't bad 
> at all. I could read the fine print on a garden seed package with no 
> problems, but it could have been better with a better web cam with better resolution or if I had used a magnifier program.
> You would want some other type of mounting arm above a table to afford 
> more clearance to move the material than what I used, especially large 
> pages such as newspapers, but that could be easily done with some 
> scrap wood and some clamps or screws.
>
> There has to be a way to do this in Microsoft, but if there isn't it 
> can be easily done in Linux. I don't think you can do this much less 
> expensively or with more flexibility. Depending on the quality of the 
> web cam and the features of the viewing program plus the bit of 
> mounting hardware or wood to securely hang the camera on you should be 
> able to put this together for much less than $100, perhaps even under $50.
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:40:07 -0700
From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson" <deniserob at gmail.com>
To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
	<trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Another Scanner Question
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brother ds mobile scanner
Denise

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Chip Johnson <cjohnson at cocenter.org>wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> Since we're talking about scanners, can anyone recommend a 
> good-quality book-edge scanner for a college student. I'm hesitant to 
> go with one of the cheaper scanners as the student may need to scan a 
> significant amount of material depending on which books are available. 
> He'll be using Kurzweil 1000. Thanks for any thoughts.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Chip Johnson,
>
> Technology Specialist/instructor
>
> Colorado Center for the Blind
>
> 2233 W Shepperd Ave.
>
> Littleton, CO 80120
>
> 303 778-1130
>
> 303) 778-1598 fax
>
>  <mailto:cjohnson at cocenter.org> cjohnson at cocenter.org
>
>  <http://www.cocenter.org> www.cocenter.org
>
> Take charge with confidence and self-reliance.
>
>
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Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision
509-674-1853

Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with
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"The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is doing it." --Chinese Proverb

Computers are incredibly fast, accurate, and stupid: humans are incredibly slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond imagination.
--Albert Einstein

It's kind of fun to do the impossible.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 07:02:06 -0400
From: "Julie McLean" <julie.mclean at cox.net>
To: "'List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology'"
	<trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Another Scanner Question
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Thanks for all of your suggestions. The client used Openbook for many years and somehow she has decided she would be better off with a stand alone unit.
I don't agree with her. Client is still using XP with Window Eyes. She has no vision, a significant hearing loss  and her husband can only read at about a 6th grade level. 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Another Scanner Question

brother ds mobile scanner
Denise

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Chip Johnson <cjohnson at cocenter.org>wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> Since we're talking about scanners, can anyone recommend a 
> good-quality book-edge scanner for a college student. I'm hesitant to 
> go with one of
the
> cheaper scanners as the student may need to scan a significant amount 
> of material depending on which books are available. He'll be using 
> Kurzweil 1000. Thanks for any thoughts.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Chip Johnson,
>
> Technology Specialist/instructor
>
> Colorado Center for the Blind
>
> 2233 W Shepperd Ave.
>
> Littleton, CO 80120
>
> 303 778-1130
>
> 303) 778-1598 fax
>
>  <mailto:cjohnson at cocenter.org> cjohnson at cocenter.org
>
>  <http://www.cocenter.org> www.cocenter.org
>
> Take charge with confidence and self-reliance.
>
>
>
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Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision
509-674-1853

Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with
keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com

"The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is doing it." --Chinese Proverb

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--Walt Disney
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 05:19:30 -0700
From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson" <deniserob at gmail.com>
To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
	<trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Another Scanner Question
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Hmmm....well, we learn more from our failures than our successes....when she struggles, that is the time to give her other options....or try to give them options now for her to go through, but if she does not listen, then go her route and see what happens. We think we want something when it really turns out, it is not the best for us.
Denise

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:02 AM, Julie McLean <julie.mclean at cox.net> wrote:

> Thanks for all of your suggestions. The client used Openbook for many 
> years and somehow she has decided she would be better off with a stand 
> alone unit.
> I don't agree with her. Client is still using XP with Window Eyes. She 
> has no vision, a significant hearing loss  and her husband can only 
> read at about a 6th grade level.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dr. Denise M 
> Robinson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:40 PM
> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Another Scanner Question
>
> brother ds mobile scanner
> Denise
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Chip Johnson <cjohnson at cocenter.org
> >wrote:
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Since we're talking about scanners, can anyone recommend a 
> > good-quality book-edge scanner for a college student. I'm hesitant 
> > to go with one of
> the
> > cheaper scanners as the student may need to scan a significant 
> > amount of material depending on which books are available. He'll be 
> > using Kurzweil 1000. Thanks for any thoughts.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chip Johnson,
> >
> > Technology Specialist/instructor
> >
> > Colorado Center for the Blind
> >
> > 2233 W Shepperd Ave.
> >
> > Littleton, CO 80120
> >
> > 303 778-1130
> >
> > 303) 778-1598 fax
> >
> >  <mailto:cjohnson at cocenter.org> cjohnson at cocenter.org
> >
> >  <http://www.cocenter.org> www.cocenter.org
> >
> > Take charge with confidence and self-reliance.
> >
> >
> >
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>
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> Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with
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>
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one 
> who is doing it." --Chinese Proverb
>
> Computers are incredibly fast, accurate, and stupid: humans are 
> incredibly slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful 
> beyond imagination.
> --Albert Einstein
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CEO, TechVision, LLC
Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision
509-674-1853

Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with
keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com

"The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is doing it." --Chinese Proverb

Computers are incredibly fast, accurate, and stupid: humans are incredibly slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond imagination.
--Albert Einstein

It's kind of fun to do the impossible.
--Walt Disney


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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:42:55 +0000
From: "Jaquiss, Robert" <RJaquiss at nfb.org>
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Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Another Scanner Question
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Hello:

     For those of you who don't know, both Openbook and Kurzweil K1000 can be set up so they automatically start up when Windows boots. The result is essentially a stand alone scanner. 

Regards,

Robert


Robert Jaquiss
Access Technology Specialist
National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute
200 E. Wells Street at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, MD 21230
Phone: (410) 659-9314, Ext.2422
Email: rjaquiss at nfb.org


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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 7:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Another Scanner Question

Thanks for all of your suggestions. The client used Openbook for many years and somehow she has decided she would be better off with a stand alone unit.
I don't agree with her. Client is still using XP with Window Eyes. She has no vision, a significant hearing loss  and her husband can only read at about a 6th grade level. 
-----Original Message-----
From: trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dr. Denise M Robinson
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:40 PM
To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Another Scanner Question

brother ds mobile scanner
Denise

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Chip Johnson <cjohnson at cocenter.org>wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> Since we're talking about scanners, can anyone recommend a 
> good-quality book-edge scanner for a college student. I'm hesitant to 
> go with one of
the
> cheaper scanners as the student may need to scan a significant amount 
> of material depending on which books are available. He'll be using 
> Kurzweil 1000. Thanks for any thoughts.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Chip Johnson,
>
> Technology Specialist/instructor
>
> Colorado Center for the Blind
>
> 2233 W Shepperd Ave.
>
> Littleton, CO 80120
>
> 303 778-1130
>
> 303) 778-1598 fax
>
>  <mailto:cjohnson at cocenter.org> cjohnson at cocenter.org
>
>  <http://www.cocenter.org> www.cocenter.org
>
> Take charge with confidence and self-reliance.
>
>
>
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CEO, TechVision, LLC
Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision
509-674-1853

Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with
keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com

"The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is doing it." --Chinese Proverb

Computers are incredibly fast, accurate, and stupid: humans are incredibly slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond imagination.
--Albert Einstein

It's kind of fun to do the impossible.
--Walt Disney
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