[Trainer-talk] exploring with pages with JAWS

Fri May 17 07:13:27 UTC 2013

I agree here. I have several clients who were taught to use the links list
but they have no idea of the actual content of a website. It is definitely a
good idea to explore. I always use the analogy of exploring a new building
or room. Walk around a little get to know the layout that kind of thing.
bb

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Wayne Merritt
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Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] exploring with pages with JAWS

Good information here. I know you don't want to bombard the beginner with
too many things, but here are two things to consider. First, using the
numbers 1-6 in JAWS to move to a heading of that level number doesn't always
work. A good example of this is in Gmail, I know I can press number 2 to get
to the Inbox heading from the top of the page. However, when I do, JAWS
tells me, "There are no level 2 headings on this page." I have to use H to
move down to the Folders heading before I can start pressing 2. However, I
use this method a lot, especially when opening a message in Gmail and
wanting to move to the portion of the page that has the message, instead of
going through all of my headings for labels that have unread messages. My
point here is that the numbers don't always work in each time; that can
vary.

Second, I encourage my students to work as much as possible from the webpage
itself. This will not only give them more experience on the page but will
also help them to get more familiar with the layout of the web page and its
content. And yet I still have several that will insist upon tabbing between
links. If you are looking for a link on a medium sized page, this is fine.
But if you are on a page like Wikipedia and have hundreds of links, there
are better ways to accomplish this. Anyway, I promote and encourage students
to take time in the beginning when they first go to a site to explore the
page by arrowing down. Long, yes; will they have to arrow a lot, yes.
However, they will see all of the content on the page. Other methods of
navigating can be dropped in as they are covered.

In my daily web surfing, I use a combination of methods for navigating on
web pages, including using the JAWS quick keys (like H for headings, t for
tables, and so forth); and using the arrows and the tab key. I think I get
better results by mixing it up like this than just sticking with one method.

Regards,
Wayne Merritt
Austin, Texas

On 5/15/13, Dr. Denise M Robinson <deniserob at gmail.com> wrote:
> Also be aware that it depends on the focus of the page in IE on if you 
> do the ctrl F and whether you will put up the find of IE or the find 
> of Jaws...if IE, just close the box, alt tab off and come back then do 
> it again and the focus will go to jaws find Denise
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Julie Adkins <jadkins at mabnc.org> wrote:
>
>> Oh, I was wondering about that.  Since a lot of time can pass between 
>> JAWS clients for me, I could not remember which way I had typically 
>> taught it.
>> Several months ago I had someone who, when he pressed Control + F, 
>> just got a Find dialog within Internet Explorer itself, which would 
>> go find the text visually (with a yellow highlight block), but not 
>> actually move the cursor there.  So I trained him to use the Insert + 
>> Control + F.  I thought he had Internet Explorer 9, but it must have 
>> been 8.  Last night I tried the regular Control + F on my home 
>> computer with JAWS on, and saw that it worked fine.  I was feeling 
>> really confused.  Thanks for clearing that up.
>> That's
>> why I love having these listservs!!
>>
>> Julie Adkins
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Trainer-talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of matt diemert
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 7:30 AM
>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] exploring with pages with JAWS
>>
>> Julie
>> Great notes.
>> Two quick observations. First. in a browser, since Jaws 9 or 10, I 
>> can't recall it's been a while since my FS days, pressing control f, 
>> is the same as pressing control INS F, try it, you'll hear both say 
>> jaws find. This may be less keystroke intensive on a new keyboard 
>> user. Second, if the user has followed your first step of moving to 
>> the top of a web page with control Home, it's probably just as easy 
>> at this point to press E for the search field, as pressing control 
>> INS home. Just thought I'd mention these as there's always more than 
>> one way to skin a cat.
>>
>>
>> On 5/14/13, Julie Adkins <jadkins at mabnc.org> wrote:
>> > Attached you will find some "reminder" notes I just typed up for a 
>> > JAWS client.  Just something basic to give a student that he or she 
>> > can refer back to.  You are welcome to use it.
>> >
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