[Trainer-talk] mac questions

Fri Mar 7 16:06:33 UTC 2014

hi,

for curiosity, how difficult is it to get a mac book to where you have it 
able to provide a windows environment and when you boot, does it start in 
mac or windows?
Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Antonio Guimaraes" <freethaught at gmail.com>
To: "List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology" 
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Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] mac questions

> David,
>
> I appreciate your point of view, and share in your frustrations. Using the 
> mac presents a steeper learning precipice than anyone deserves.
>
> I am willing to spend some time with you to get past some of the set up 
> steps to get Safari to cooperate.
>
> Please call me at 617744-9716
>
> and we can set up a time to sit down with our macs in some remote form, 
> skype or by phone.
>
> I am not a trainer, so I am willing to help you at no charge.
>
> I hope some folks on this list will get great skills to pick up where I 
> leave off with David. Smile.
> Hint, hint.
>
> While one of you is at it, please also write the best manuals and 
> tutorials for Mac apps. I will be one of your first very happy customers 
> when you write something for, say, Keynote.
>
> David and others, I use the Mac not only because I want to support Apple, 
> and want to be part of the Mac community. That would be a very expensive 
> hobby. One of my friends equated learning the Mac to a hobby once, so this 
> is not a new idea.
>
> I have a Mac as a tool that is cost-effective, and likely to be around for 
> a while. One can always install VMWare Fusion on a Mac and still use 
> Windows and your preferred screen reader.
>
> I have been one to poke a little fun at Mac users expense because I 
> thought you'd almost have to grow two extra hands with six fingers each to 
> press all the buttons needed for some commands.
>
> There is a comunity out there, and we, well, I am willing to contribute as 
> best as I can and as time will permit.
>
> There are likely hundreds of others on the Mac Visionaries list, and 
> you'll find more help, misshelp, and chatter there than you could imagine.
>
> I like it that one can use any Mac to learn how to use a Mac. It isn't 
> easy to know where to start since a sighted person doesn't use VoiceOver, 
> and a blind person might not have enough time with the Mac, and the right 
> resources to get going confortably enough that she can say she has become 
> a Mac user.
>
> Some times you'll come up on the Mac not doing what you expect, and you 
> have to know how to get it to change into a mode, or play with a setting 
> to get it back in the game. But if you are just learning, you'll likely 
> not know what those settingn are. It is frustrating, and anyone getting to 
> this point is likely to give up, or pause where they are.
>
> I hope this helps, and I'll be waiting for your call, David.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Antonio
>
>
>
> Antonio M Guimaraes Jr.
>
>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 21:26, David Goldfield <disciple1211 at verizon.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Sarah,
>> I don't consider myself a Mac expert and so I may be completely out of 
>> line in even posting to this particular thread.
>> Antonio is correct but I don't think there is a way to actually navigate 
>> a web page in Safari the same way you access pages using a Windows screen 
>> reader with a browser like IE or Firefox. voiceover has a very different 
>> way of interacting with Web pages and, unlike Windows, it's totally 
>> different from accessing a document in Text Edit.  Personally, I find 
>> Apple's method of Web access to be frustrating and inefficient.  I know 
>> there are many visually impaired Mac enthusiasts who love the Mac and 
>> they have excellent reasons for doing so.  I have tried and tried to 
>> embrace it when it comes to Safari but I find myself continually 
>> frustrated at how inefficient it seems to be.  I am very open to 
>> correction or in receiving suggestions from Mac users on how to best 
>> access web pages using safari.
>>
>> ---------
>>
>> Feel free to visit my LinkedIn profile at
>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-goldfield/12/929/573
>>
>>     David Goldfield,
>> Assistive Technology specialist
>>
>>> On 3/6/2014 2:48 PM, Antonio Guimaraes wrote:
>>> Sarah,
>>>
>>> You need to make sure certain settings are checked in the VoiceOver 
>>> utility.
>>>
>>> Then you should be able to open Safari, turn quick nav on, and use some 
>>> of the commands to navigate.
>>>
>>> You can use the num row to jump to headings, f to jump to form fields, 
>>> edit bxes and the like.
>>>
>>> Use b for buttons, and x for check boxes.
>>> Press VO f8 to get to VO utilities.
>>>
>>> Select commands as your utility category, select the second tab which 
>>> reads "keyboard tab."
>>>
>>> Now check a box that reads enable single key webpage navigation with 
>>> using quick nav
>>>
>>> I don't know if you need to check the first box that reads enable quick 
>>> nav. I checked it now on my machine. You can play with these options and 
>>> see the results for yourself.
>>>
>>> There is much more I'm sure. You may want to ask for a complete list of 
>>> these on the mac visionaries listserv.
>>>
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>> Antonio Guimaraesrow
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 10:00 AM, "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Good morning. I have a MacBook pro. Is there a way to navigate a web 
>>>> page using similar commands like I do when navigating a web page using 
>>>> jaws? How do you access a pdf file from a website using preview? Thank 
>>>> you.
>>>>    Sarah
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