[Trainer-talk] mac questions

Fri Mar 7 19:37:13 UTC 2014

Hello,

You can use one of two best known wayt to get a Mac to run windows.

If you run BootCamp, you can choose at startup whether to boot into Mac OS, or windows.

If you use VMWare Fusion, it runs within Mac OS, and you will press a command simmilar to alt-tab to jump in and out of VMWare very quickly.

You may need sighted help to install these, especially if you're just starting.

I had Windows 7 and Jaws running at one point, but I decided I was not going to fight with what I thought were accessibility issues with VMWare. They update their program probably about twice a year, and each upgrade is about $80.

Beats upgrading a screen reader in my oppinion.

Antonio M Guimaraes Jr.

> On Mar 7, 2014, at 11:06, "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> for curiosity, how difficult is it to get a mac book to where you have it able to provide a windows environment and when you boot, does it start in mac or windows?
> Bryan Schulz
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antonio Guimaraes" <freethaught at gmail.com>
> To: "List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology" <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 8:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] mac questions
> 
> 
>> David,
>> 
>> I appreciate your point of view, and share in your frustrations. Using the mac presents a steeper learning precipice than anyone deserves.
>> 
>> I am willing to spend some time with you to get past some of the set up steps to get Safari to cooperate.
>> 
>> Please call me at 617744-9716
>> 
>> and we can set up a time to sit down with our macs in some remote form, skype or by phone.
>> 
>> I am not a trainer, so I am willing to help you at no charge.
>> 
>> I hope some folks on this list will get great skills to pick up where I leave off with David. Smile.
>> Hint, hint.
>> 
>> While one of you is at it, please also write the best manuals and tutorials for Mac apps. I will be one of your first very happy customers when you write something for, say, Keynote.
>> 
>> David and others, I use the Mac not only because I want to support Apple, and want to be part of the Mac community. That would be a very expensive hobby. One of my friends equated learning the Mac to a hobby once, so this is not a new idea.
>> 
>> I have a Mac as a tool that is cost-effective, and likely to be around for a while. One can always install VMWare Fusion on a Mac and still use Windows and your preferred screen reader.
>> 
>> I have been one to poke a little fun at Mac users expense because I thought you'd almost have to grow two extra hands with six fingers each to press all the buttons needed for some commands.
>> 
>> There is a comunity out there, and we, well, I am willing to contribute as best as I can and as time will permit.
>> 
>> There are likely hundreds of others on the Mac Visionaries list, and you'll find more help, misshelp, and chatter there than you could imagine.
>> 
>> I like it that one can use any Mac to learn how to use a Mac. It isn't easy to know where to start since a sighted person doesn't use VoiceOver, and a blind person might not have enough time with the Mac, and the right resources to get going confortably enough that she can say she has become a Mac user.
>> 
>> Some times you'll come up on the Mac not doing what you expect, and you have to know how to get it to change into a mode, or play with a setting to get it back in the game. But if you are just learning, you'll likely not know what those settingn are. It is frustrating, and anyone getting to this point is likely to give up, or pause where they are.
>> 
>> I hope this helps, and I'll be waiting for your call, David.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Antonio
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Antonio M Guimaraes Jr.
>> 
>>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 21:26, David Goldfield <disciple1211 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sarah,
>>> I don't consider myself a Mac expert and so I may be completely out of line in even posting to this particular thread.
>>> Antonio is correct but I don't think there is a way to actually navigate a web page in Safari the same way you access pages using a Windows screen reader with a browser like IE or Firefox. voiceover has a very different way of interacting with Web pages and, unlike Windows, it's totally different from accessing a document in Text Edit.  Personally, I find Apple's method of Web access to be frustrating and inefficient.  I know there are many visually impaired Mac enthusiasts who love the Mac and they have excellent reasons for doing so.  I have tried and tried to embrace it when it comes to Safari but I find myself continually frustrated at how inefficient it seems to be.  I am very open to correction or in receiving suggestions from Mac users on how to best access web pages using safari.
>>> 
>>> ---------
>>> 
>>> Feel free to visit my LinkedIn profile at
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-goldfield/12/929/573
>>> 
>>>    David Goldfield,
>>> Assistive Technology specialist
>>> 
>>>> On 3/6/2014 2:48 PM, Antonio Guimaraes wrote:
>>>> Sarah,
>>>> 
>>>> You need to make sure certain settings are checked in the VoiceOver utility.
>>>> 
>>>> Then you should be able to open Safari, turn quick nav on, and use some of the commands to navigate.
>>>> 
>>>> You can use the num row to jump to headings, f to jump to form fields, edit bxes and the like.
>>>> 
>>>> Use b for buttons, and x for check boxes.
>>>> Press VO f8 to get to VO utilities.
>>>> 
>>>> Select commands as your utility category, select the second tab which reads "keyboard tab."
>>>> 
>>>> Now check a box that reads enable single key webpage navigation with using quick nav
>>>> 
>>>> I don't know if you need to check the first box that reads enable quick nav. I checked it now on my machine. You can play with these options and see the results for yourself.
>>>> 
>>>> There is much more I'm sure. You may want to ask for a complete list of these on the mac visionaries listserv.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> HTH,
>>>> 
>>>> Antonio Guimaraesrow
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 10:00 AM, "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good morning. I have a MacBook pro. Is there a way to navigate a web page using similar commands like I do when navigating a web page using jaws? How do you access a pdf file from a website using preview? Thank you.
>>>>>   Sarah
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