[Trainer-Talk] What are you recommending for Braelin speak transition or's

Scott Davert scott.davert at hknc.org
Mon Sep 14 11:25:06 UTC 2015 

I agree with the Braille Plus 18 being a much less than stellar product. If she does not have good braille skills, the Voice Sense may be an option, but the VoiceNote more closely resembles the key command structure found in the BNS. If she is better at typing on pwerty keysboards, there's always the  Voice sense qwerty. I'm not sure if the VoiceNote has a qwerty model, but the braille note does have one.
The braille pen 12 is good for the very basics like texting as someone someone pointed out previously.

Scott

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> On Sep 13, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Marianne Denning via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> If you are speaking of a little 12 cell braille display I would not
> recommend that for any serious braille reading.  I think it works very
> well for short reading in conjunction with an iPhone or Android.  I
> think an 18 cell braille display is the smallest you would want for
> significant reading.  Can the individual use a smart phone
> successfully?  What is she trying to accomplish?  If the agency is
> trying to save money, then your goals and the goals of the student may
> be in conflict.
> 
>> On 9/13/15, Nancy Coffman via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Thank you.  One of the challenges I find with a lot of people, including
>> this client, is that Braille skills are poor and they think they need a
>> display to increase their speed.  Our agency doesn't encourage purchase of a
>> display for people to practice Braille.  We expect a literate level of
>> reading and writing ability.  Has anyone tried the Braille Pen?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Trainer-Talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Jeffrey Young via Trainer-Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 8:07 PM
>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Jeffrey Young <jeff.young8806 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] What are you recommending for Braelin speak
>> transition or's
>> 
>> I think Laine provides good suggesttions, however you may not be able to
>> purchase the BRAILLE Plus from aph because they've halted development, so
>> you'd have to find one used. I've also heard several stories from people
>> saying their Braille Plus's were constantly having problems and being sent
>> in for repairs.
>> 
>> Jeff Young
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Laine Amoureux via Trainer-Talk
>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What about the BraillePlus from AFB?
>>> While I agree with everyone, who has said that theBrailleSense product
>>> line probably has the most going for it, when talking about dedicated
>>> notetakers… And that the combination of a Bluetooth keyboard or braille
>>> display, and iOS device… Is definitely the least expensive… I just can't
>>> help but wonder… Where is she… What does she want to use it for? How much
>>> time and energy does she have, or want to put into, learning something
>>> new? Most of the people I have had switching from theBNS have been
>>> intimidated by newer technology, had no desire to spend the time necessary
>>> to learn to use newer technology, no desire to get on Facebook, use
>>> dropbox, to access twitter etc. etc.
>>> Do you have the resources to trial different devices with the client? That
>>> may also determine which device is the most usable for her...
>>> I have had some people try the U2 & the Apex, and they seem to be at the
>>> same level, as far as technology experience and desire… Yep one seems to
>>> be able to just pick up and use the Apex, while the other seems to just be
>>> able to pick up and use theU2, just like I have seen some people who seem
>>> to be at the same technology level, as far as experience, pick different
>>> mobile platforms…...
>>> If were talking about the most inexpensive option, it would be an android
>>> device with Bluetooth keyboard… But :-) is that what we're looking for?
>>> Many of these newer devices just have too many options for people who
>>> would be switching from a device like this one… I really like the idea of
>>> something like the braille edge, that has the basic text editor, basic
>>> calculator at Cetera etc.… Fewer options, easier navigation etc.
>>> OK, finished with my rambling thoughts for the evening :-) etc.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Laine Amoureux M.S. ATHS
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 4:29 PM, Nancy Coffman via Trainer-Talk
>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> She uses braille poorly. She has never had a display.she uses it mostly
>>>> for notetaking. With it being a Braelin speak, I am sure she doesn't do
>>>> anything to exotic.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Scott Davert via Trainer-Talk
>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Nancy.
>>>>> A couple more questions which can help us get a better picture and
>>>>> perhaps provide more helpful info. how well does she read braille? Is
>>>>> she very tech savvy? Does she just want the device to do things like
>>>>> read books and take notes? I will not even assume she is or is not tech
>>>>> savvy, as I consider myself an advanced user, but I used a Braille Lite
>>>>> for basic notaking until just a few years ago.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Scott
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 10:51 PM, Jeffrey Young via Trainer-Talk
>>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If we're talking speech only, then probably IOS and a blutooth
>>>>>> keyboard. IOS keyboard support is suppose to be improving with the next
>>>>>> update.
>>>>>> As far as note takers, I believe they still have their place, and the
>>>>>> Hims line is, in my opinion, by far superior to the Humanware line,
>>>>>> especially when it comes to software capabilities. The DropBox client
>>>>>> alone makes them much more viable.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jeff Young
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 9:23 PM, Jorge A. Paez via Trainer-Talk
>>>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would agree that Hims has the best lineup as far as notetakers.
>>>>>>> As far as braille displays, the Focus line seems to me the best.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 9/9/2015 10:12 PM, Fred Wurtzel via Trainer-Talk wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello Nancy,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Well, I believe she would be best served by An Apple device with
>>>>>>>> a Bluetooth keyboard.  With the Dream Writer or the Access Note
>>>>>>>> apps there are many ways to work on documents.  The price is so
>>>>>>>> much lower and the flexibility and versatility is so much more.
>>>>>>>> I have used most kinds of accessible devices and, to me, there is no
>>>>>>>> reason to get stuck with a notetaker.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It seems, though, if a notetaker is the only option the HIMS
>>>>>>>> lineup looks the best.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Again, to me, the iOS options are the best coupled with a
>>>>>>>> bluetooth keyboard or Braille device such as the Beatle.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Fred
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Trainer-Talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Nancy Coffman via Trainer-Talk
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 9:57 AM
>>>>>>>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>>>>>>>> Cc: Nancy Coffman
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Trainer-Talk] What are you recommending for Braelin
>>>>>>>> speak transition or's
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have a client who has been using a braille and speak and is
>>>>>>>> needing to choose a different note taker. What would you
>>>>>>>> recommend? I do not believe she reads braille tactilely. Thank you.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Nancy Coffman
>>>>>>>> Program specialist for technology services Nebraska commission
>>>>>>>> for the blind and visually impaired
>>>>>>>> 
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