[Trainer-Talk] What are you recommending for Braelin speak transition or's

Nancy Coffman nancy.l.coffman at gmail.com
Tue Sep 15 02:50:06 UTC 2015 

At this point, I am recommending a note taker without a braille display. She has minimal braille reading skills. I hesitate to buy notetakers for people to "" learn braille

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> On Sep 13, 2015, at 5:37 PM, Marianne Denning via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> If you are speaking of a little 12 cell braille display I would not
> recommend that for any serious braille reading.  I think it works very
> well for short reading in conjunction with an iPhone or Android.  I
> think an 18 cell braille display is the smallest you would want for
> significant reading.  Can the individual use a smart phone
> successfully?  What is she trying to accomplish?  If the agency is
> trying to save money, then your goals and the goals of the student may
> be in conflict.
> 
>> On 9/13/15, Nancy Coffman via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Thank you.  One of the challenges I find with a lot of people, including
>> this client, is that Braille skills are poor and they think they need a
>> display to increase their speed.  Our agency doesn't encourage purchase of a
>> display for people to practice Braille.  We expect a literate level of
>> reading and writing ability.  Has anyone tried the Braille Pen?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Trainer-Talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Jeffrey Young via Trainer-Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 8:07 PM
>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Jeffrey Young <jeff.young8806 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] What are you recommending for Braelin speak
>> transition or's
>> 
>> I think Laine provides good suggesttions, however you may not be able to
>> purchase the BRAILLE Plus from aph because they've halted development, so
>> you'd have to find one used. I've also heard several stories from people
>> saying their Braille Plus's were constantly having problems and being sent
>> in for repairs.
>> 
>> Jeff Young
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Laine Amoureux via Trainer-Talk
>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What about the BraillePlus from AFB?
>>> While I agree with everyone, who has said that theBrailleSense product
>>> line probably has the most going for it, when talking about dedicated
>>> notetakers… And that the combination of a Bluetooth keyboard or braille
>>> display, and iOS device… Is definitely the least expensive… I just can't
>>> help but wonder… Where is she… What does she want to use it for? How much
>>> time and energy does she have, or want to put into, learning something
>>> new? Most of the people I have had switching from theBNS have been
>>> intimidated by newer technology, had no desire to spend the time necessary
>>> to learn to use newer technology, no desire to get on Facebook, use
>>> dropbox, to access twitter etc. etc.
>>> Do you have the resources to trial different devices with the client? That
>>> may also determine which device is the most usable for her...
>>> I have had some people try the U2 & the Apex, and they seem to be at the
>>> same level, as far as technology experience and desire… Yep one seems to
>>> be able to just pick up and use the Apex, while the other seems to just be
>>> able to pick up and use theU2, just like I have seen some people who seem
>>> to be at the same technology level, as far as experience, pick different
>>> mobile platforms…...
>>> If were talking about the most inexpensive option, it would be an android
>>> device with Bluetooth keyboard… But :-) is that what we're looking for?
>>> Many of these newer devices just have too many options for people who
>>> would be switching from a device like this one… I really like the idea of
>>> something like the braille edge, that has the basic text editor, basic
>>> calculator at Cetera etc.… Fewer options, easier navigation etc.
>>> OK, finished with my rambling thoughts for the evening :-) etc.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Laine Amoureux M.S. ATHS
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 4:29 PM, Nancy Coffman via Trainer-Talk
>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> She uses braille poorly. She has never had a display.she uses it mostly
>>>> for notetaking. With it being a Braelin speak, I am sure she doesn't do
>>>> anything to exotic.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Scott Davert via Trainer-Talk
>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Nancy.
>>>>> A couple more questions which can help us get a better picture and
>>>>> perhaps provide more helpful info. how well does she read braille? Is
>>>>> she very tech savvy? Does she just want the device to do things like
>>>>> read books and take notes? I will not even assume she is or is not tech
>>>>> savvy, as I consider myself an advanced user, but I used a Braille Lite
>>>>> for basic notaking until just a few years ago.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Scott
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 10:51 PM, Jeffrey Young via Trainer-Talk
>>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If we're talking speech only, then probably IOS and a blutooth
>>>>>> keyboard. IOS keyboard support is suppose to be improving with the next
>>>>>> update.
>>>>>> As far as note takers, I believe they still have their place, and the
>>>>>> Hims line is, in my opinion, by far superior to the Humanware line,
>>>>>> especially when it comes to software capabilities. The DropBox client
>>>>>> alone makes them much more viable.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jeff Young
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 9:23 PM, Jorge A. Paez via Trainer-Talk
>>>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would agree that Hims has the best lineup as far as notetakers.
>>>>>>> As far as braille displays, the Focus line seems to me the best.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 9/9/2015 10:12 PM, Fred Wurtzel via Trainer-Talk wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello Nancy,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Well, I believe she would be best served by An Apple device with
>>>>>>>> a Bluetooth keyboard.  With the Dream Writer or the Access Note
>>>>>>>> apps there are many ways to work on documents.  The price is so
>>>>>>>> much lower and the flexibility and versatility is so much more.
>>>>>>>> I have used most kinds of accessible devices and, to me, there is no
>>>>>>>> reason to get stuck with a notetaker.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It seems, though, if a notetaker is the only option the HIMS
>>>>>>>> lineup looks the best.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Again, to me, the iOS options are the best coupled with a
>>>>>>>> bluetooth keyboard or Braille device such as the Beatle.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Fred
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Trainer-Talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Nancy Coffman via Trainer-Talk
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 9:57 AM
>>>>>>>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>>>>>>>> Cc: Nancy Coffman
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Trainer-Talk] What are you recommending for Braelin
>>>>>>>> speak transition or's
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have a client who has been using a braille and speak and is
>>>>>>>> needing to choose a different note taker. What would you
>>>>>>>> recommend? I do not believe she reads braille tactilely. Thank you.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Nancy Coffman
>>>>>>>> Program specialist for technology services Nebraska commission
>>>>>>>> for the blind and visually impaired
>>>>>>>> 
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