[Trainer-Talk] What are you recommending for Braelin speak transition or's

Tue Sep 15 20:59:00 UTC 2015

As you know, there is a lot of learning involved in any note taker.
If I were going for a note taker I would go for a Voice Note or Voice
Sense.  Of course, neither has a braille display but they have a lot
of other great features.  You can purchase either a braille key board
or qwerty key board on either device.  There are other similar
products.  I have used both and I would recommend one over the other
based on what she plans to do with it.

On 9/15/15, Nancy Coffman via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> We have talked about the iPad. One justification she has is practicing
> braille. I don't buy it. She is not seeming very interested in a smart
> device approach. I also mentioned a small laptop.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:29 PM, Marianne Denning via Trainer-Talk
>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Nancy, does she know how to write braille?  Why are you recommending a
>> note taker of any type?  Why not look at some of the iPad type devices
>> out there?
>>
>>> On 9/14/15, Nancy Coffman via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> At this point, I am recommending a note taker without a braille display.
>>> She
>>> has minimal braille reading skills. I hesitate to buy notetakers for
>>> people
>>> to "" learn braille
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Sep 13, 2015, at 5:37 PM, Marianne Denning via Trainer-Talk
>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If you are speaking of a little 12 cell braille display I would not
>>>> recommend that for any serious braille reading.  I think it works very
>>>> well for short reading in conjunction with an iPhone or Android.  I
>>>> think an 18 cell braille display is the smallest you would want for
>>>> significant reading.  Can the individual use a smart phone
>>>> successfully?  What is she trying to accomplish?  If the agency is
>>>> trying to save money, then your goals and the goals of the student may
>>>> be in conflict.
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/13/15, Nancy Coffman via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Thank you.  One of the challenges I find with a lot of people,
>>>>> including
>>>>> this client, is that Braille skills are poor and they think they need a
>>>>> display to increase their speed.  Our agency doesn't encourage purchase
>>>>> of a
>>>>> display for people to practice Braille.  We expect a literate level of
>>>>> reading and writing ability.  Has anyone tried the Braille Pen?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Trainer-Talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>> Jeffrey Young via Trainer-Talk
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 8:07 PM
>>>>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Jeffrey Young <jeff.young8806 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] What are you recommending for Braelin speak
>>>>> transition or's
>>>>>
>>>>> I think Laine provides good suggesttions, however you may not be able
>>>>> to
>>>>> purchase the BRAILLE Plus from aph because they've halted development,
>>>>> so
>>>>> you'd have to find one used. I've also heard several stories from
>>>>> people
>>>>> saying their Braille Plus's were constantly having problems and being
>>>>> sent
>>>>> in for repairs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff Young
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Laine Amoureux via Trainer-Talk
>>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about the BraillePlus from AFB?
>>>>>> While I agree with everyone, who has said that theBrailleSense product
>>>>>> line probably has the most going for it, when talking about dedicated
>>>>>> notetakers… And that the combination of a Bluetooth keyboard or
>>>>>> braille
>>>>>> display, and iOS device… Is definitely the least expensive… I just
>>>>>> can't
>>>>>> help but wonder… Where is she… What does she want to use it for? How
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> time and energy does she have, or want to put into, learning something
>>>>>> new? Most of the people I have had switching from theBNS have been
>>>>>> intimidated by newer technology, had no desire to spend the time
>>>>>> necessary
>>>>>> to learn to use newer technology, no desire to get on Facebook, use
>>>>>> dropbox, to access twitter etc. etc.
>>>>>> Do you have the resources to trial different devices with the client?
>>>>>> That
>>>>>> may also determine which device is the most usable for her...
>>>>>> I have had some people try the U2 & the Apex, and they seem to be at
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> same level, as far as technology experience and desire… Yep one seems
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be able to just pick up and use the Apex, while the other seems to
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> able to pick up and use theU2, just like I have seen some people who
>>>>>> seem
>>>>>> to be at the same technology level, as far as experience, pick
>>>>>> different
>>>>>> mobile platforms…...
>>>>>> If were talking about the most inexpensive option, it would be an
>>>>>> android
>>>>>> device with Bluetooth keyboard… But :-) is that what we're looking
>>>>>> for?
>>>>>> Many of these newer devices just have too many options for people who
>>>>>> would be switching from a device like this one… I really like the idea
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> something like the braille edge, that has the basic text editor, basic
>>>>>> calculator at Cetera etc.… Fewer options, easier navigation etc.
>>>>>> OK, finished with my rambling thoughts for the evening :-) etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laine Amoureux M.S. ATHS
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 4:29 PM, Nancy Coffman via Trainer-Talk
>>>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She uses braille poorly. She has never had a display.she uses it
>>>>>>> mostly
>>>>>>> for notetaking. With it being a Braelin speak, I am sure she doesn't
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> anything to exotic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Scott Davert via Trainer-Talk
>>>>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Nancy.
>>>>>>>> A couple more questions which can help us get a better picture and
>>>>>>>> perhaps provide more helpful info. how well does she read braille?
>>>>>>>> Is
>>>>>>>> she very tech savvy? Does she just want the device to do things like
>>>>>>>> read books and take notes? I will not even assume she is or is not
>>>>>>>> tech
>>>>>>>> savvy, as I consider myself an advanced user, but I used a Braille
>>>>>>>> Lite
>>>>>>>> for basic notaking until just a few years ago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 10:51 PM, Jeffrey Young via Trainer-Talk
>>>>>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If we're talking speech only, then probably IOS and a blutooth
>>>>>>>>> keyboard. IOS keyboard support is suppose to be improving with the
>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>> update.
>>>>>>>>> As far as note takers, I believe they still have their place, and
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Hims line is, in my opinion, by far superior to the Humanware line,
>>>>>>>>> especially when it comes to software capabilities. The DropBox
>>>>>>>>> client
>>>>>>>>> alone makes them much more viable.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jeff Young
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 9:23 PM, Jorge A. Paez via Trainer-Talk
>>>>>>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would agree that Hims has the best lineup as far as notetakers.
>>>>>>>>>> As far as braille displays, the Focus line seems to me the best.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/9/2015 10:12 PM, Fred Wurtzel via Trainer-Talk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Nancy,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I believe she would be best served by An Apple device with
>>>>>>>>>>> a Bluetooth keyboard.  With the Dream Writer or the Access Note
>>>>>>>>>>> apps there are many ways to work on documents.  The price is so
>>>>>>>>>>> much lower and the flexibility and versatility is so much more.
>>>>>>>>>>> I have used most kinds of accessible devices and, to me, there is
>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>> reason to get stuck with a notetaker.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It seems, though, if a notetaker is the only option the HIMS
>>>>>>>>>>> lineup looks the best.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Again, to me, the iOS options are the best coupled with a
>>>>>>>>>>> bluetooth keyboard or Braille device such as the Beatle.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Trainer-Talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Nancy Coffman via Trainer-Talk
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 9:57 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Nancy Coffman
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Trainer-Talk] What are you recommending for Braelin
>>>>>>>>>>> speak transition or's
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have a client who has been using a braille and speak and is
>>>>>>>>>>> needing to choose a different note taker. What would you
>>>>>>>>>>> recommend? I do not believe she reads braille tactilely. Thank
>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nancy Coffman
>>>>>>>>>>> Program specialist for technology services Nebraska commission
>>>>>>>>>>> for the blind and visually impaired
>>>>>>>>>>>
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