[Trainer-Talk] What are you recommending for Braelin speak transition or's

Nancy Coffman nancy.l.coffman at gmail.com
Tue Sep 15 14:02:47 UTC 2015 

We have talked about the iPad. One justification she has is practicing braille. I don't buy it. She is not seeming very interested in a smart device approach. I also mentioned a small laptop.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:29 PM, Marianne Denning via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Nancy, does she know how to write braille?  Why are you recommending a
> note taker of any type?  Why not look at some of the iPad type devices
> out there?
> 
>> On 9/14/15, Nancy Coffman via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> At this point, I am recommending a note taker without a braille display. She
>> has minimal braille reading skills. I hesitate to buy notetakers for people
>> to "" learn braille
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2015, at 5:37 PM, Marianne Denning via Trainer-Talk
>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you are speaking of a little 12 cell braille display I would not
>>> recommend that for any serious braille reading.  I think it works very
>>> well for short reading in conjunction with an iPhone or Android.  I
>>> think an 18 cell braille display is the smallest you would want for
>>> significant reading.  Can the individual use a smart phone
>>> successfully?  What is she trying to accomplish?  If the agency is
>>> trying to save money, then your goals and the goals of the student may
>>> be in conflict.
>>> 
>>>> On 9/13/15, Nancy Coffman via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Thank you.  One of the challenges I find with a lot of people, including
>>>> this client, is that Braille skills are poor and they think they need a
>>>> display to increase their speed.  Our agency doesn't encourage purchase
>>>> of a
>>>> display for people to practice Braille.  We expect a literate level of
>>>> reading and writing ability.  Has anyone tried the Braille Pen?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Trainer-Talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Jeffrey Young via Trainer-Talk
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 8:07 PM
>>>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Jeffrey Young <jeff.young8806 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] What are you recommending for Braelin speak
>>>> transition or's
>>>> 
>>>> I think Laine provides good suggesttions, however you may not be able to
>>>> purchase the BRAILLE Plus from aph because they've halted development, so
>>>> you'd have to find one used. I've also heard several stories from people
>>>> saying their Braille Plus's were constantly having problems and being
>>>> sent
>>>> in for repairs.
>>>> 
>>>> Jeff Young
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Laine Amoureux via Trainer-Talk
>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> What about the BraillePlus from AFB?
>>>>> While I agree with everyone, who has said that theBrailleSense product
>>>>> line probably has the most going for it, when talking about dedicated
>>>>> notetakers… And that the combination of a Bluetooth keyboard or braille
>>>>> display, and iOS device… Is definitely the least expensive… I just can't
>>>>> help but wonder… Where is she… What does she want to use it for? How
>>>>> much
>>>>> time and energy does she have, or want to put into, learning something
>>>>> new? Most of the people I have had switching from theBNS have been
>>>>> intimidated by newer technology, had no desire to spend the time
>>>>> necessary
>>>>> to learn to use newer technology, no desire to get on Facebook, use
>>>>> dropbox, to access twitter etc. etc.
>>>>> Do you have the resources to trial different devices with the client?
>>>>> That
>>>>> may also determine which device is the most usable for her...
>>>>> I have had some people try the U2 & the Apex, and they seem to be at the
>>>>> same level, as far as technology experience and desire… Yep one seems to
>>>>> be able to just pick up and use the Apex, while the other seems to just
>>>>> be
>>>>> able to pick up and use theU2, just like I have seen some people who
>>>>> seem
>>>>> to be at the same technology level, as far as experience, pick different
>>>>> mobile platforms…...
>>>>> If were talking about the most inexpensive option, it would be an
>>>>> android
>>>>> device with Bluetooth keyboard… But :-) is that what we're looking for?
>>>>> Many of these newer devices just have too many options for people who
>>>>> would be switching from a device like this one… I really like the idea
>>>>> of
>>>>> something like the braille edge, that has the basic text editor, basic
>>>>> calculator at Cetera etc.… Fewer options, easier navigation etc.
>>>>> OK, finished with my rambling thoughts for the evening :-) etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Laine Amoureux M.S. ATHS
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 4:29 PM, Nancy Coffman via Trainer-Talk
>>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> She uses braille poorly. She has never had a display.she uses it mostly
>>>>>> for notetaking. With it being a Braelin speak, I am sure she doesn't do
>>>>>> anything to exotic.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Scott Davert via Trainer-Talk
>>>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Nancy.
>>>>>>> A couple more questions which can help us get a better picture and
>>>>>>> perhaps provide more helpful info. how well does she read braille? Is
>>>>>>> she very tech savvy? Does she just want the device to do things like
>>>>>>> read books and take notes? I will not even assume she is or is not
>>>>>>> tech
>>>>>>> savvy, as I consider myself an advanced user, but I used a Braille
>>>>>>> Lite
>>>>>>> for basic notaking until just a few years ago.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 10:51 PM, Jeffrey Young via Trainer-Talk
>>>>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If we're talking speech only, then probably IOS and a blutooth
>>>>>>>> keyboard. IOS keyboard support is suppose to be improving with the
>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>> update.
>>>>>>>> As far as note takers, I believe they still have their place, and the
>>>>>>>> Hims line is, in my opinion, by far superior to the Humanware line,
>>>>>>>> especially when it comes to software capabilities. The DropBox client
>>>>>>>> alone makes them much more viable.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jeff Young
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 9:23 PM, Jorge A. Paez via Trainer-Talk
>>>>>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I would agree that Hims has the best lineup as far as notetakers.
>>>>>>>>> As far as braille displays, the Focus line seems to me the best.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/9/2015 10:12 PM, Fred Wurtzel via Trainer-Talk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Nancy,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Well, I believe she would be best served by An Apple device with
>>>>>>>>>> a Bluetooth keyboard.  With the Dream Writer or the Access Note
>>>>>>>>>> apps there are many ways to work on documents.  The price is so
>>>>>>>>>> much lower and the flexibility and versatility is so much more.
>>>>>>>>>> I have used most kinds of accessible devices and, to me, there is
>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>> reason to get stuck with a notetaker.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> It seems, though, if a notetaker is the only option the HIMS
>>>>>>>>>> lineup looks the best.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Again, to me, the iOS options are the best coupled with a
>>>>>>>>>> bluetooth keyboard or Braille device such as the Beatle.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Fred
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Trainer-Talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Nancy Coffman via Trainer-Talk
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 9:57 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Nancy Coffman
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Trainer-Talk] What are you recommending for Braelin
>>>>>>>>>> speak transition or's
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I have a client who has been using a braille and speak and is
>>>>>>>>>> needing to choose a different note taker. What would you
>>>>>>>>>> recommend? I do not believe she reads braille tactilely. Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Nancy Coffman
>>>>>>>>>> Program specialist for technology services Nebraska commission
>>>>>>>>>> for the blind and visually impaired
>>>>>>>>>> 
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