[Trainer-Talk] Jaws vs Apple

[Jeffrey Young]

Let me provide one example of how, for some using windows with a third party screenreader allows them to be more productive then on an apple device. That example is table navigation. Unless I'm missing something, which is definitely possible, table navigation with VO on the mac is rudimentary at best. Whereas, on windows it is much more efficient. With jaws skipping around a table, finding the row and column desired without having to read everything else before and after is a huge productivity boost.
It is my opinion, that for the average home user apple devices do quite nicely, however in many school or work situations windows with a third party screenreader is far more efficient. 
Furthermore, I think the days of relying on one platform and screenreader are behind us. In my day-to-day life of managing school and taking care of my children I use the mac, iPhone and Windows with Jaws or NVDA, and multiple web-browsers to be productive.  

Jeff Young

> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Amy Ruell via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Hello Peter and all,
> Although I agree with most of your comments, I think that you need to recognize that in many work situations Windows computers are necessary. I would not be able to do my primary job if it were not for the ability to interface with in the Windows operating system.
> Amy Ruell
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Peter Crumley via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> There always seems to be an overwhelming number of questions of how to interface jaws with Windows programs which makes me wonder why NFB does not at least enlighten everyone as to why Apple might be an easier and better choice.  In stead of using a aftermarket program to provide boys over functions iOS Apple on phone and pad build this accessibility feature into the operating system upfront which means voiceover will work with any program that can be run on the iPhone or iPad.  And interesting observation is that I don't see many questions about Apple on the trainer talk possibly this is because Apple has an incredibly good assessability help line where you can call them and they will tell you how to resolve your issues. Additionally now with the iPad Pro smart keyboard pencil touchscreen Siri lots of memory it just doesn't seem to be reasonable to spend more money on a standalone computer and jaws programming when the iPad Pro group provides a much better bang for the buck.
>> Peter
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>>> Hasn't MS Publisher been discontinued.  If so I seriously doubt a 
>>> screen reader would make any effort to support it.
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>>> Dave
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>>> At 07:27 AM 8/25/2016, you wrote:
>>>> Has anyone tried to use this  combination to create documents?
>>>> I have a customer  interested in doing so, and the last time I tried
>>>> to work with Publisher somewhere around Office 2007 it was not very
>>>> easily done, and fairly messy.
>>>> I'd appreciate any thoughts you all may have.
>>>> 
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>>>> --
>>>> Warm Regards:
>>>> Matt Diemert
>>>> 330-980-0046
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