[Trainer-Talk] Multiple screen readers, was Fwd: [ITACCESS] Quick screen reader usage survey

Fri Sep 8 01:51:15 UTC 2017

I agree Dave,
We need to have web content accessibility guidelines enforce; code to the 
proper standards as you say.
Its not a good idea to rate websites based on screen reader usability; since 
websites changes and so do screen readers which means while one screen 
reader may work one day well, it may not another day. Too many variables.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: David B Andrews via Trainer-Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 9:13 PM
To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
Cc: David B Andrews
Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] Multiple screen readers, was Fwd: [ITACCESS] 
Quick screen reader usage survey

I am not aware of any site that does this. I don't think it is a good
idea. We have to use different screen readers in different situations
either because the site isn't coded properly, or the brtowser, or screen
reader aren't handling some html control properly.  The answer isn't
supporting people and organizations who don't do things properly  but to
get people to code to standards, and/or to support those standards and
fully implement them.

Even if this were possible, it would be overwhelming as the screen
reader and its version, the site itself, the browser and its version all
can be variables, so the possible combinations and permutations are endless.

Dave

On 9/7/2017 12:14 PM, S A. Marositz via Trainer-Talk wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I agree, do you know whether anyone or any website is tracking situations 
> where it is best to use one Windows Screen Reader verses another? That 
> would be a valuable resource for AT trainors.
>
> Thanks
> Stephen Alexander Marositz JD, CPACC
> Assistive Technology Specialist, Pasadena City College
> Phone: (626) 585-7242
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trainer-Talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> Kelsey Nicolay via Trainer-Talk
> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 9:49 AM
> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology 
> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Kelsey Nicolay <kelseynicolay1989 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] Multiple screen readers, was Fwd: [ITACCESS] 
> Quick screen reader usage survey
>
> Hello,
> I agree. I used to use JAWS exclusively, but all my computers, even at 
> work, have both JAWS and Nvda on them. I primarily still use JAWS, but 
> there have been times where Nvda works better or is the only option.
>
> On 9/5/17, Dan Burke via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Greg -
>>
>> I would be curious at trainers responses as well.  I started teaching
>> a College Prep class at CCB four years ago, after working in Higher
>> Education for 20 years.  I've encouraged all my college students to
>> learn and be ready to use NVDA as well as JAWS.  Since then, the
>> reason has shifted from a free and portable use-anywhere screen reader
>> to one like you mentioned -- NVDA works better in many situations,
>> often much better.  JAWS still works better in others.  The key for
>> college students is to be as nimble and quick, like Jack Sprat.
>> Multiple screen reader proficiency isn't an option anymore, it's a
>> requirement.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> On 9/5/17, Greg Aikens via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I took this survey but it misses something that has been on my mind
>>> recently. I feel like increasingly, the people I train truly need to
>>> be competent in multiple screen readers to be able to access
>>> everything. I primarily use JAWS but there are times I have to use
>>> NVDA to accomplish something JAWS can't, and more and more often, I
>>> find myself firing up Narrator when a Windows screen or message will not 
>>> read.
>>>
>>> That doesn't even begin to touch IOS/Android, which most of my
>>> clients use.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm curious to know how other instructors are handling this. Are you
>>> providing instruction in multiple screen readers on the computer? If
>>> so, what order do you teach them in? What does it look like?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your feedback.
>>>
>>> -Greg
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Trainer-Talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Jeanine Lineback via Trainer-Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 6:56 PM
>>> To: Andy B. via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>; List for teachers and
>>> trainers of adaptive technology <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Jeanine Lineback <jeanine.lineback at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [Trainer-Talk] Fwd: [ITACCESS] Quick screen reader usage
>>> survey
>>>
>>>> I thought you all might be interested in taking the below screen
>>>> reader survey.
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Joni Halabi <Joni.Halabi at georgetown.edu>
>>>> Date: Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 1:18 PM
>>>> Subject: [ITACCESS] Quick screen reader usage survey
>>>> To: ITACCESS at listserv.educause.edu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I have been curious about a few things regarding screen reader
>>>> usage, specifically around using the list of landmarks, headings,
>>>> and links.  I created a really short survey (8 multiple choice 
>>>> questions).
>>>>
>>>> Survey link: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/XTV2PSD
>>>>
>>>> If you use a screen reader, I would really appreciate you taking
>>>> this survey.  Please feel free to share as well.
>>>>
>>>> I will post results to the group as soon as I have results to share.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> Joni
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Joni Halabi | Senior Javascript Front-End Developer
>>>> joni.halabi at georgetown.edu
>>>>
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