[Trainer-Talk] audio editing software
Ashley Bramlett
bookwormahb at earthlink.net
Wed Mar 17 03:16:50 UTC 2021
Hello,
Thanks, a tutorial sounds like a great idea and I'll consider that
resource.
Has anyone used it? I would hope its good assuming little prior knowledge of
audio editting.
Is it a step by step thing?
I like the idea of using GoldWave because it’s a cheap product but pretty
powerful, has sound effects, ability to mix tracks, merge files, and of
course all the basic stuff for editting such as trimming, copying, pasting,
and deleting.
But its not as accessible from the start because you cannot review where you
placed your cue points; a sighted person sees the diagram but I see no way
to review it nonvisually.
What do the scripts do and where do I get them?
thanks,
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldfield via Trainer-Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 5:55 PM
To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
Cc: David Goldfield
Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] audio editing software
Ashley,
The most recent version of Gold Wave is 6.54 and has the date of 01-15-2021
in the version number. The Gold Wave Web site indicates that it works on
Windows 7 or later.
I am not a regular user of Gold Wave and, for this and other reasons, I am
not able to provide support off list. However, Brian
Hartgen<http://www.hartgen.org/> does sell a complete Gold Wave tutorial.
David Goldfield,
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-----Original Message-----
From: Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Don
Barrett via Trainer-Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 9:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] audio editing software
Reaper is great for those seriously interested in multi-tracking audio. For
what you are doing, Goldwave should work.
Reaper setup is complex but doable but I think Goldwave should work for you.
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<trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org>> On
Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett via Trainer-Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 11:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] audio editing software
Hello,
I am going to try GoldWave. Yes, their site still has the version for
windows 7 available which is great news for me. I don't need any updates so
it does not bother me they are not updating this version. I intend to do
basic stuff.
Maybe someone who uses it can discuss off list. I'd like some tips on
splitting files. I need to take a large file and split into small ones to
make a cd of songs or topics of people talking.
I found the keyboard command to create the cue points. But, what I'm
wondering is if I need to make two cue points to create one file or just one
and Goldwave will know what to split then when I go to the tools menu to
split files.
If I get good enough with this, I could teach others what to do as well.
Someone asked if I tried Reaper. No, I have not.
Feel free to tell me what you like about Reaper and I am wondering if that
is free software or a free trial at least with menus. Personally, I find
software with menus and keyboard shortcut keys easiest to use.
Thanks!
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Davert via Trainer-Talk
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2021 8:59 AM
To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
Cc: Scott Davert
Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] audio editing software
Hi Ashley.
Yes to all of your questions. Don already told you about the trial, and you
can go to goldwave.ca to look up current pricing. I purchased a license in
2012, and am still getting free updates now. They no longer add features to
the software versions that run on Windows 7 and older, but the last time I
visited their site, they had the final version for 7 and older available.
All the things you asked about can be done on the older software.
Good luck,
Scott
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> On Feb 28, 2021, at 10:37 PM, Don Barrett via Trainer-Talk
> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org<mailto:trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>
> Goldwave has a limited use function where you can use it fully for a
> number of sessions, but I can't remember how many.
> I think the full lifetime version is around $51.00 Perhaps someone
> else can answer your other questions.
> Good luck with it Ashley.
>
> Don
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trainer-Talk
> <trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org>>
> On Behalf Of
> Ashley Bramlett via Trainer-Talk
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 9:57 PM
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> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org<mailto:trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>>
> Cc: Ashley Bramlett
> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net<mailto:bookwormahb at earthlink.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] audio editting software
>
> Hello,
>
> I was trying to remember the other audio editor that I've heard many
> people use including screen reader users.
> Its GoldWave!
>
> I'm certainly considering it and saw it works on older computers
> fortunately.
>
> Do you know if GoldWave has a free trial period or free scaled down
> version?
> How much will it cost to go for the full version?
> Does GoldWave allow you to convert from file type to file type such as
> mp4A to mp3 or Wav to mp3?
>
> I looked at audicity and so far it seems harder to use.
> I'm hoping GoldWave will be easy, something where I can simply mark
> the beginning and end of files to delete out that block of recording.
>
> Thanks for your suggestion.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Asanda Pavlacka via Trainer-Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 8:34 PM
> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
> Cc: Asanda Pavlacka
> Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] audio editting software
>
> Have you ever tried or looked into GoldWave? Its easier to use than
> audacity, IMHO.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 3, 2021, at 4:45 PM, Ashley Bramlett via Trainer-Talk
>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org<mailto:trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>> Is there other editting options people have used? I might try
>> audacity but it may be kind of complex.
>>
>> Also, what simple free software can I use to convert files? I am
>> seeking to convert mp4a files to mp3s or wav.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: curtis jackson via Trainer-Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2021 3:49 PM
>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>> Cc: curtis jackson
>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] audio editting software
>>
>> Audacity is what i use
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 5, 2021, at 2:48 PM, Ashley Bramlett via Trainer-Talk
>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org<mailto:trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> What are good and free audio editting software programs?
>>>
>>> I’ve heard WavePad on pc used to be great but now has some
>>> accessibility glitches. Does audicity work well?
>>>
>>> I’m interested in something for Windows and IOS with keyboard
>>> commands preferabily.
>>> I am new to this and am seeking to do basic audio edits such as
>>> trimming sections out and adding some narration at the beginning.. I
>>> also would like the software to convert to different file types
>>> ideally so I can send to different people who either have
>>> preferences or to fit their needs to play my files.
>>>
>>> I would be curious to know if software you suggest also can have me
>>> doing a narration with the music playing in the background; for this
>>> I’d need It to do audio ducking. This is the type of technique some
>>> commercials use which is a good technique. It’s a good way to close
>>> or open out a program with music.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Ashley
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