[Trainer-Talk] A Google Drive Bug With Chromium-based Browsers

Fri Aug 30 20:46:46 UTC 2024

Hi. I'm not sure I agree that having multiple browsers available on a system would be a significant challenge to users. I might be inclined to feel that way if, as an example, Chrome and Firefox had entirely different command sets for Web navigation with a screen reader. If we were talking about this topic twenty-plus years ago and we were comparing Internet Explorer, IBM Home Page Reader and PW Webspeak I'd agree that this could be quite a cognitive load for some consumers. While Chromium browsers and Firefox may be internally different, opening and navigating a Web page with today's screen readers is just about identical, regardless of what browser you use. This is true for opening a Web page, reading with arrow keys or using more advanced navigation, such as moving by headings, links, form controls, etc. Internally, screen readers might be using different configurations for Firefox as opposed to Chromium-based browsers but from the perspective of a user the actual navigation is nearly identical. One exception, of course, is the menu system but Web navigation is the same.

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Sent: Friday, August 30, 2024 4:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] A Google Drive Bug With Chromium-based Browsers

Hello,
While advanced users may be able to handle different web browsers, a beginner or intermediate user may be only able to handle one.
I like Firefox the most due to its menus and easier navigation. Easy to get to bookmarks for instance.
A high functioning screen reader user may be able to have several browsers and work them okay.
Apparently, Denise informed us that Drive works well with Firefox which is good news for me. Thanks Denise.

I'm on here since sometimes  I volunteer train blind or low vision computer users. Humberto's idea of multiple browsers would not work for them due to other challenges. Everyone losing vision has memory challenges and auditory challenges just listening to Jaws since they used to see. 

I feel it’s a success for them to just use one browser to conduct a web search and use some websites; let alone multiple ones.

I think NFB needs to advocate for usability and bug fixes for all browsers including the Chromium ones. It seems to me that we as screen reader users should be able to use any browser we want and should not be hindered by our screen reader choice.

At least the bug will soon be fixed.

I have only used google applications on the web. Apparently, there is Google Drive for desktop.
Does this work okay on Windows 10 with jaws? Is that a free download?

Thanks.
Ashley
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From: Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Humberto Avila via Trainer-Talk
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2024 4:10 PM
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Cc: Humberto Avila <humberto_avila.it104 at outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] A Google Drive Bug With Chromium-based Browsers

I personally am a huge proponent of the theory that as a blind computer user, one must install more than one screen reader and more than one Web browser (or perhaps several), and learn how to use them. Those all are good tools to put in a user's toolbox. If one doesn't work, then the other just might. I find many times that some sites or Web apps work not super great on Edge, or Brave Browser (which are Chromium derivatives I often use), and they work much better in Firefox. Or vice-versa. Yeah, I can understand that learning a new software or browser can be a time crusher when one is just learning, but is sooo much better for mental health and frustration levels, as opposed to learning it on the fly or when what we're so used to doesn't work. Believe me, I've been there, and it's something I tell and / or model to my students.

On 8/30/2024 11:50 AM, Dr Denise M Robinson via Trainer-Talk wrote:
> Just use firefox-- Drive works great
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> On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 2:46 PM Brian Vogel via Trainer-Talk < 
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>> Curtis,
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>> Good to know, as these "little exceptions" may make zero difference 
>> to most, but be critically important to others.
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>> Right now I'm just aiming for the best "quick and not really dirty, 
>> even if it wouldn't be your first choice" functional workaround for 
>> the majority of Google Drive users.  I've greatly curtailed my use of 
>> the web interface, though not eliminated it, since I started using Google Drive for Desktop.
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