[Trainer-Talk] iPhone with no home button

Tue Nov 19 17:11:12 UTC 2024

Now, with this one, I respectfully disagree. If it takes an entire lesson to get somebody to get comfortable with unlocking the phone or activating the home gesture to get out of an app, then this is what we will do. The phone is utterly useless. If somebody cannot perform the home gesture. Don't get me wrong, I understand using a modified voice over gesture to do something similar, but I still believe that this is an essential skill to master.

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Nov 19, 2024 10:59:29 AM Will Walsh via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>:

> Unfortunately what I am continuously finding is that a lot of people really actually struggle with that gesture. I have the hang of it, but I find it takes too much time even for me to execute it.
> When I'm training a complete Voiceover beginner, it doesn't make sense to spend all of a lesson on that one concept especially if they're needing to do other things with their phone which 99% of the time is the case.
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> Hi. For me, the trick to getting this gesture to work reliably is to move your finger up in a consistent manner without stopping or slowing down. Otherwise, your finger movements will be interpreted as an explore by touch gesture.
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> Well, I did hear the bump when I was trying it on the other person's device, but then as I tried to slide up, I got the explore by touch sound. Everyonem at kes this sound so asy, yet I'm pretty advanced with technology but can't figure this out for the life of me. What every everyone's thoughtf on using back tap for this gesture? Ivemessed with it on my Se and it actually works quite well, so I was urious in your experience if this would be a reliable substitute for the gesture.
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>> On Nov 18, 2024, at 3:05 PM, Curtis Chong via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> The trick is to start right at the bottom edge as close as possible
>> to the edge and start sliding up. You should hear a bump sound almost immediately.
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>> Curtis
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>> I would add that it takes time to get good at that gesture, as I
>> recall, two or three weeks. In the interim I considered throwing the
>> iPhone against the wall!
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>> Raul Gallegos wrote, in part: " I always recommend trying the natural
>> gestures as they were designed so that you don't change things right
>> off the bat."
>> 
>> All I can say is, "Seconded!"  I used to be the "customizer from hell"
>> until I began seeing how this left my clients standing there like deer
>> in the headlights if handed a new device or someone else's device and
>> they just could not use it because too many things had been tweaked.
>> 
>> One common mistake made with the virtual home button is starting the
>> up swipe action "off screen."  That is, the finger hits the bottom of
>> the screen moving because you've started the up swipe action early.
>> While this is really handy for both typical flicks and swipes, which
>> can start and end anywhere on the screen, it's the kiss of death for the virtual home button.
>> And straight line up swipe is not required.
>> 
>> If you make sure your finger is on the bottom edge of the screen,
>> preferably centered or very nearly so, but the width of the virtual
>> home button is wide, then start your up swipe, paying attention to the
>> haptics you get as you go (you want 2 for the home screen itself) and
>> not lifting your finger from the screen when the first haptic occurs
>> during the course of the up swipe, success is almost guaranteed.
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>> All of the above is presuming typical fine motor control.
>> 
>> I've been teaching this particular gesture quite a bit recently.
>> 
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