[Trainer-Talk] Teaching adults who don't speak English

[Will Walsh]

Unfortunately, this is many times easier said than done. We can "should" all over ourselves, but as you know from working in VR yourself this does not always happen smoothly.

Will Walsh
Accessibility Consultant
Miles Access Skills Training LLC
1400 SW 5th Ave, Suite 690
Portland Or, 97201
Phone: 971-257-9958
Email: 
willwalsh at blindmast.com
Web: 
www.blindmast.com

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From: Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Joanna Blackwell via Trainer-Talk
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2024 9:40 AM
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Cc: Joanna Blackwell <joannablackwell at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] Teaching adults who don't speak English

If the individual you are working with has an  open Vocational Rehabilitation case, their VR counselor should pay for a translator for your lessons.
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> On Sep 13, 2024, at 9:22 AM, Brian Vogel via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> What age range are we talking about here?
> 
> I'll probably be crucified for saying it, but focusing on Braille for 
> adults, particularly early on, is just a huge waste of time.  I've 
> said it before, and I'll say it again, but I know of very few 
> individuals who can pick up any significant proficiency in Braille as 
> adults, even if they've been blind for years.
> 
> I'm also a big believer, where possible, of doing any teaching for an 
> ELL individual in their first language initially.  The hurdles 
> involved in trying to learn anything, and technology in particular, in 
> a language you do not speak are virtually certain to be insurmountably high.
> 
> You ask, "What if you don't have a lot of time to work with them and 
> progress is slow because they have a ton of barriers?"  I don't take 
> that as a rhetorical, and the answer to that question requires a 
> careful analysis as to how much time you have and whether anything of 
> functional value can be achieved within it.  For students like this 
> the minimum time frame is months, many months, and if you're told you 
> have, say, six weeks to work with them, sadly, the best course of 
> action is not to do so.  You leave them, and yourself, with feelings 
> of disappointment and failure because you simply cannot achieve 
> anything functional in that short a timeframe if we're talking about someone who is a rank beginner.
> 
> In my years as a speech-language pathologist (now retired) and a tech 
> tutor
> (ongoing) I've learned the hard way that most adult students can only 
> take on so much information at one time, and it always requires more 
> repetition than initially expected before basic proficiency is 
> established.  Trying to make someone learn "too many things at once" 
> often means they learn none of them at all, at least in a way that 
> proves useful and helpful to them.  And this is when only a single language is involved.
> 
> If ever there were a case where "picking one's battles, stategically" 
> for learning would be best, this one is it.
> 
> Brian
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