[Travelandtourism] Should an airline's first-class section beadults-only?

Tue Jul 12 11:07:57 UTC 2011

kids cry on the planes because there ears are popping especially babies. I also control my guide dog. he wiggles around during take off and landing.

Cindy, agree we know many guide dog users and parents who have spoiled children, meaning dogs as well, but at the same time, if they can afford first class then they have the right to go there and pay for it, but we also have a right to complain about it, if they can remove people from the planes for fighting and arguing I am sure they can do the same, I would be careful about the guide dog issues though it might backfire on the airlines, unless enough people complain about it.

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Cindy Handel<mailto:cindy425 at verizon.net> 
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  Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:49 PM
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  Well, crying kids aren't only annoying on planes...they're just as annoying 
  on trains.  But, it's often not the child's fault.  I suppose, because the 
  parents are used to their kids, many just ignore them and don't try, at all, 
  to quiet them or make them sit in their seats.  So, maybe airlines or trains 
  should impose a penalty of some kind of the parent doesn't control the 
  children.  I'm not saying kids have to be perfect.  But, if a dog guide 
  handler is supposed to manage his or her dog and keep the dog under control, 
  shouldn't a parent be expected to do the same with a child?

  Cindy
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  From: "Peachtree Travel" <info at peachtreetravel.net<mailto:info at peachtreetravel.net>>
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  beadults-only?

  Ask passengers like James Armstrong, and you'll hear a compelling reason for
  keeping babies in the back -- if not off the plane entirely.

  "I was on a flight from Bangkok to Beijing," he remembers. "Royal Thai
  Airways."

  Just to set the stage, this is what Thai's first-class section looks like.
  Nice, huh?

  Anyway, there was this German couple with two young children seated a few
  rows away. "One of the children was running about, loud and disruptive."

  And sick.

  With junior making the rounds, touching the seats, sneezing and sniffling
  all over the place, Armstrong became infected.

  "Nothing like spending two days in Beijing in bed with the flu," he says.

  Babies on planes is a hot topic again, thanks to Malaysia Airlines
  (www.malaysiaairlines.com<http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/>) banning young passengers on some of its larger
  jets. Originally, the airline said it was in response to complains from
  other premium passengers. It later changed its tune, saying it didn't have
  the proper facilities to accommodate infants.

  Either way, Malaysia Airlines' actions got passengers talking.

  "I'm quite serious when I say that I'd rather be on a flight with smokers
  than with babies," says reader Dick Carlson. "I'd love to see an airline
  that offered adult-only flights -- maybe late evening or red-eye. While I
  understand that the little squirts have to travel somehow, having one squawk
  and scream five inches from my ear isn't anything I want to endure for six
  hours."

  By way of full disclosure, I used to think babies on planes were a nuisance,
  no matter where they sat. And I had to laugh when Ryanair (www.ryanair.com<http://www.ryanair.com/>)
  announced it would begin offering child-free flights earlier this year.

  Look at the date on the press release, in case you're wondering if they're
  serious.

  But there's a kernel of truth to its joke.

  "When it comes to children we all love our own but would clearly prefer to
  avoid other people's little monsters when traveling," Ryanair's Stephen
  McNamara is quoted as saying. And those words certainly ring true for a lot
  of passengers, even if Ryanair didn't really mean it.

  I hear the same sentiments from among younger airline passengers and
  articulated by childless thirtysomething airline commentators. They don't
  want to sit next to anyone else's little monsters, let alone their screaming
  little monsters.

  The "ban babies" from first class -- and indeed, sometimes from the plane
  altogether -- proponents' argument goes something like this.

  (I'm quoting without attribution, because I've received several emails that
  are virtually identical.)

  .I pay a premium to sit in first or business class and I don't want my to be
  disturbed by a crying, screaming or misbehaving child.
  .While I understand the parent pays as much as I do, I don't disturb them by
  screaming or crying or misbehaving and I should not have to deal with their
  child if they are screaming or crying or carrying on.
  .Some children are absolute angels and some act like they are the spawn of
  Satan. While I understand a child's or baby's reaction to the change in
  environment is unpredictable, that doesn't mean anyone should be subjected
  to it either. A person's choice to have children and fly with said children
  does not take precedence over or trump my choice to not have children.
  Then there are also a great many parents today that think the world should
  have to deal with it because "s/he is a child", when the reality is if you
  choose to have children you should not inflict them on others, especially
  strangers.

  As clichéd as it sounds, your perspective changes when you have monsters of
  your own. Notice, I didn't put "monsters" in quotes. I've endured too many
  flights, and one or two in first class, where my kids didn't behave well.

  So I actually find myself sympathizing with those who would want to keep
  children, and particularly babies, out of the very best seats.

  Infants probably don't belong up front any more than they do in a five-star
  restaurant. But keeping kids off the plane, period? Not practical.

  If young passengers were barred from flying, then how, pray tell, would they
  travel? By boat? Or spending four days strapped into a baby seat of a car?

  "I find crying babies on a plane just as annoying as the next person,
  whether they're in first class or not," says Linda Snow. "But ever since air
  travel was invented, the rule has been, 'You get what you pay for.' If
  people can pay for first class and want to travel with their babies, they
  get to."

  Malaysia Airlines' decision to keep babies out of its first-class section on
  certain flights is as courageous as it is controversial. It acknowledges the
  fact that its premium cabin is an experience meant primarily for adult
  passengers.

  There will no doubt still be angry parents who think their little brats
  deserve to sit in first class. Fortunately for them, they have a choice of
  airlines.

  And in the end, the market will decide whether baby-free premium cabins will
  fly or not.

  Peachtree Travel
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