[Travelandtourism] also restaurants updated banning Children

Tue Jul 12 15:12:03 UTC 2011

question Anne:

Who has less and less Children the World or the Blind Community, this statement is unfortunately off topic and should be directed elsewhere, my fault.

But here is another thing that was just on CNN this morning about a restaurant in PA that went to not allowing children under 6 in there restaurant.

It is a higher end restaurant near a golf course, where the majority of patrons are older people.

 McDain's Restaurant and Golf Center in Monroeville, PA

This has to do with Travel and Tourism because when we visitplaces we eat there as well.

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anne Musgrave<mailto:amusgrav at toronto.ca> 
  To: NFB Travel and Tourism Division List<mailto:travelandtourism at nfbnet.org> 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:35 AM
  Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Should an airline's first-class section be adults-only?

  Hi 
  Well I guess I have a different perspective. Wile I sympathize with
  those who don't want to hear crying infants, I have to say that people
  had to listen to mine occasionally, so I guess it is my turn on a
  flight. As for first class, well I have never had the income to get me
  to those exulted hights, so I wouldn't know. As our world has fewer and
  fewer children I think we will think less and less of them as an 
  important shared communal resource. 

  Anne 

  Anne Musgrave 
  Staffing Associate 
  Human Resources Division 
  416-397-5210   

  >>> "Peachtree Travel" <info at peachtreetravel.net<mailto:info at peachtreetravel.net>> 7/11/2011 7:43 PM
  >>>

  Ask passengers like James Armstrong, and you'll hear a compelling
  reason for 
  keeping babies in the back -- if not off the plane entirely.

  "I was on a flight from Bangkok to Beijing," he remembers. "Royal Thai

  Airways."

  Just to set the stage, this is what Thai's first-class section looks
  like. 
  Nice, huh?

  Anyway, there was this German couple with two young children seated a
  few 
  rows away. "One of the children was running about, loud and
  disruptive."

  And sick.

  With junior making the rounds, touching the seats, sneezing and
  sniffling 
  all over the place, Armstrong became infected.

  "Nothing like spending two days in Beijing in bed with the flu," he
  says.

  Babies on planes is a hot topic again, thanks to Malaysia Airlines 
  (www.malaysiaairlines.com<http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/>) banning young passengers on some of its
  larger 
  jets. Originally, the airline said it was in response to complains from

  other premium passengers. It later changed its tune, saying it didn't
  have 
  the proper facilities to accommodate infants.

  Either way, Malaysia Airlines' actions got passengers talking.

  "I'm quite serious when I say that I'd rather be on a flight with
  smokers 
  than with babies," says reader Dick Carlson. "I'd love to see an
  airline 
  that offered adult-only flights -- maybe late evening or red-eye. While
  I 
  understand that the little squirts have to travel somehow, having one
  squawk 
  and scream five inches from my ear isn't anything I want to endure for
  six 
  hours."

  By way of full disclosure, I used to think babies on planes were a
  nuisance, 
  no matter where they sat. And I had to laugh when Ryanair
  (www.ryanair.com<http://www.ryanair.com/>) 
  announced it would begin offering child-free flights earlier this
  year.

  Look at the date on the press release, in case you're wondering if
  they're 
  serious.

  But there's a kernel of truth to its joke.

  "When it comes to children we all love our own but would clearly prefer
  to 
  avoid other people's little monsters when traveling," Ryanair's Stephen

  McNamara is quoted as saying. And those words certainly ring true for a
  lot 
  of passengers, even if Ryanair didn't really mean it.

  I hear the same sentiments from among younger airline passengers and 
  articulated by childless thirtysomething airline commentators. They
  don't 
  want to sit next to anyone else's little monsters, let alone their
  screaming 
  little monsters.

  The "ban babies" from first class -- and indeed, sometimes from the
  plane 
  altogether -- proponents' argument goes something like this.

  (I'm quoting without attribution, because I've received several emails
  that 
  are virtually identical.)

  .I pay a premium to sit in first or business class and I don't want my
  to be 
  disturbed by a crying, screaming or misbehaving child.
  .While I understand the parent pays as much as I do, I don't disturb
  them by 
  screaming or crying or misbehaving and I should not have to deal with
  their 
  child if they are screaming or crying or carrying on.
  .Some children are absolute angels and some act like they are the spawn
  of 
  Satan. While I understand a child's or baby's reaction to the change in

  environment is unpredictable, that doesn't mean anyone should be
  subjected 
  to it either. A person's choice to have children and fly with said
  children 
  does not take precedence over or trump my choice to not have children.
  Then there are also a great many parents today that think the world
  should 
  have to deal with it because "s/he is a child", when the reality is if
  you 
  choose to have children you should not inflict them on others,
  especially 
  strangers.

  As clichéd as it sounds, your perspective changes when you have
  monsters of 
  your own. Notice, I didn't put "monsters" in quotes. I've endured too
  many 
  flights, and one or two in first class, where my kids didn't behave
  well.

  So I actually find myself sympathizing with those who would want to
  keep 
  children, and particularly babies, out of the very best seats.

  Infants probably don't belong up front any more than they do in a
  five-star 
  restaurant. But keeping kids off the plane, period? Not practical.

  If young passengers were barred from flying, then how, pray tell, would
  they 
  travel? By boat? Or spending four days strapped into a baby seat of a
  car?

  "I find crying babies on a plane just as annoying as the next person, 
  whether they're in first class or not," says Linda Snow. "But ever
  since air 
  travel was invented, the rule has been, 'You get what you pay for.' If

  people can pay for first class and want to travel with their babies,
  they 
  get to."

  Malaysia Airlines' decision to keep babies out of its first-class
  section on 
  certain flights is as courageous as it is controversial. It
  acknowledges the 
  fact that its premium cabin is an experience meant primarily for adult

  passengers.

  There will no doubt still be angry parents who think their little brats

  deserve to sit in first class. Fortunately for them, they have a choice
  of 
  airlines.

  And in the end, the market will decide whether baby-free premium cabins
  will 
  fly or not.

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  Independent Travel Consultant

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