[Travelandtourism] Should an airline's first-class section be adults-only?

[Peter Donahue]

Hello Ann and everyone,

    This is another attempt to "Squeeze off" particular passengers in this 
case infants and young children. At one time they tried doing this to the 
blind and those with other disabilities. Large passengers have since become 
another target. As I told the passengers and crew on my return flight to San 
Antonio once we landed and I was ready to deplane "It's time for a shift in 
the air travel paradigm! I'm out of here!"

    With that I promptly left the aircraft never to return again! If new 
airlines start up whose service is of the kind we once experienced neither 
of us wish to fly on scheduled airlines ever again.

Peter Donahue



 ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anne Musgrave" <amusgrav at toronto.ca>
To: "NFB Travel and Tourism Division List" <travelandtourism at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Should an airline's first-class section be 
adults-only?


Hi
Well I guess I have a different perspective. Wile I sympathize with
those who don't want to hear crying infants, I have to say that people
had to listen to mine occasionally, so I guess it is my turn on a
flight. As for first class, well I have never had the income to get me
to those exulted hights, so I wouldn't know. As our world has fewer and
fewer children I think we will think less and less of them as an
important shared communal resource.

Anne

Anne Musgrave
Staffing Associate
Human Resources Division
416-397-5210


>>> "Peachtree Travel" <info at peachtreetravel.net> 7/11/2011 7:43 PM
>>>

Ask passengers like James Armstrong, and you'll hear a compelling
reason for
keeping babies in the back -- if not off the plane entirely.

"I was on a flight from Bangkok to Beijing," he remembers. "Royal Thai

Airways."

Just to set the stage, this is what Thai's first-class section looks
like.
Nice, huh?

Anyway, there was this German couple with two young children seated a
few
rows away. "One of the children was running about, loud and
disruptive."

And sick.

With junior making the rounds, touching the seats, sneezing and
sniffling
all over the place, Armstrong became infected.

"Nothing like spending two days in Beijing in bed with the flu," he
says.

Babies on planes is a hot topic again, thanks to Malaysia Airlines
(www.malaysiaairlines.com) banning young passengers on some of its
larger
jets. Originally, the airline said it was in response to complains from

other premium passengers. It later changed its tune, saying it didn't
have
the proper facilities to accommodate infants.

Either way, Malaysia Airlines' actions got passengers talking.

"I'm quite serious when I say that I'd rather be on a flight with
smokers
than with babies," says reader Dick Carlson. "I'd love to see an
airline
that offered adult-only flights -- maybe late evening or red-eye. While
I
understand that the little squirts have to travel somehow, having one
squawk
and scream five inches from my ear isn't anything I want to endure for
six
hours."

By way of full disclosure, I used to think babies on planes were a
nuisance,
no matter where they sat. And I had to laugh when Ryanair
(www.ryanair.com)
announced it would begin offering child-free flights earlier this
year.

Look at the date on the press release, in case you're wondering if
they're
serious.

But there's a kernel of truth to its joke.

"When it comes to children we all love our own but would clearly prefer
to
avoid other people's little monsters when traveling," Ryanair's Stephen

McNamara is quoted as saying. And those words certainly ring true for a
lot
of passengers, even if Ryanair didn't really mean it.

I hear the same sentiments from among younger airline passengers and
articulated by childless thirtysomething airline commentators. They
don't
want to sit next to anyone else's little monsters, let alone their
screaming
little monsters.

The "ban babies" from first class -- and indeed, sometimes from the
plane
altogether -- proponents' argument goes something like this.

(I'm quoting without attribution, because I've received several emails
that
are virtually identical.)

.I pay a premium to sit in first or business class and I don't want my
to be
disturbed by a crying, screaming or misbehaving child.
.While I understand the parent pays as much as I do, I don't disturb
them by
screaming or crying or misbehaving and I should not have to deal with
their
child if they are screaming or crying or carrying on.
.Some children are absolute angels and some act like they are the spawn
of
Satan. While I understand a child's or baby's reaction to the change in

environment is unpredictable, that doesn't mean anyone should be
subjected
to it either. A person's choice to have children and fly with said
children
does not take precedence over or trump my choice to not have children.
Then there are also a great many parents today that think the world
should
have to deal with it because "s/he is a child", when the reality is if
you
choose to have children you should not inflict them on others,
especially
strangers.


As clichéd as it sounds, your perspective changes when you have
monsters of
your own. Notice, I didn't put "monsters" in quotes. I've endured too
many
flights, and one or two in first class, where my kids didn't behave
well.

So I actually find myself sympathizing with those who would want to
keep
children, and particularly babies, out of the very best seats.

Infants probably don't belong up front any more than they do in a
five-star
restaurant. But keeping kids off the plane, period? Not practical.

If young passengers were barred from flying, then how, pray tell, would
they
travel? By boat? Or spending four days strapped into a baby seat of a
car?

"I find crying babies on a plane just as annoying as the next person,
whether they're in first class or not," says Linda Snow. "But ever
since air
travel was invented, the rule has been, 'You get what you pay for.' If

people can pay for first class and want to travel with their babies,
they
get to."

Malaysia Airlines' decision to keep babies out of its first-class
section on
certain flights is as courageous as it is controversial. It
acknowledges the
fact that its premium cabin is an experience meant primarily for adult

passengers.

There will no doubt still be angry parents who think their little brats

deserve to sit in first class. Fortunately for them, they have a choice
of
airlines.

And in the end, the market will decide whether baby-free premium cabins
will
fly or not.




Peachtree Travel
Independent Travel Consultant

(phone) 888-389-2723

(website: http://www.peachtreetravel.net.

Email: reservations at peachtreetravel.net


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