[Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking

Marla Wertman mwertman72 at gmail.com
Fri Dec 27 21:32:32 UTC 2013 

I know I have not participated much here, but Peter is right. Not to
mention that the reply to all command is different depending on what
email program you use and their are a lot of people who don't know how
to do it. If you are wanting people to reply to all perhaps you need to
explain to them how it is done.
On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 15:06:04 -0600
"Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:

> Hello Cheryl and everyone,
> 
> Better yet stress the importance of those folks subscribing to this list so 
> the messages are received even if someone fails to hit the "Reply to All." 
> If they were interested in receiving these messages they would subscribe to 
> this list. Perhaps you would do well to stress the importance of their 
> subscribing to this list and spend less time hounding those of us 
> participating before we disappear in to thin air please!
> 
> Peter Donahue
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "travelandtourism" <travelandtourism at nfbnet.org>; "nyagdu" 
> <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "Milton Taylor" <milt2533 at gmail.com>; "Maurice Shackelford" 
> <management at peachtreeradiofm.com>; "david stayer" 
> <davidandloristayer at verizon.net>; "Jemal Powell" <derek2872 at yahoo.com>; "Jo 
> Taylor" <miltjotaylor at gmail.com>; "Carl Jacobsen" <office at nfbny.org>; "Mark` 
> Riccobono" <mriccobono at nfb.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 1:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> 
> 
> Again, Peter, if you please and the rest of us.
> If you can select reply all to the responses, they not only go to Travel & 
> Tourism Division, but also a number of the officers of the division, for 
> whatever reason are yet to be on our talk list, as well as, this is going to 
> NYAGDU, the NY Association of Guide Dog Users, and other leaders in the NFB.
> I am not sure what the control options for a screen reader is for this, but 
> I hope that when responding that you all will comply. Thank you.
> Well, maybe also we can combine our efforts with out disability 
> organizations, I am actively working with SATH.org - Society of Accessible 
> Travel & Hospitality, as well as, Association of Airline Passengers Rights, 
> which I am also a member of the others.
> If we get these resolutions to pass, and if we can get the airlines at least 
> in the US to comply, then we wont have to look for alternatives in flying, 
> like private jet services.
> Cheryl
> 
> Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY StateOffering the Best in 
> Meaningful Travel Experiences for Everyone!Cheryl Echevarria, 
> Ownerwww.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations at echevarriatravel.com
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> 
> > From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
> > To: travelandtourism at nfbnet.org
> > Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 12:46:55 -0600
> > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> >
> > Hello Cheryl and everyone,
> >
> >     Perhaps this needs to be attacked on two fronts. The resolution and
> > working with the DOT to set a required seat width to accommodate all
> > passengers including large ones and to insure that passengers traveling 
> > with
> > guide dogs will have enough room to accommodate the dog in the cabin
> > particularly large dogs.
> >
> >     The second way to address this issue is for us as individuals to
> > investigate additional sources of income to among other things be able to
> > travel privately or in first class so we and our guide dogs can fly in
> > comfort. Starting a business such as a travel agency is one idea. There 
> > are
> > many other ways to supplement one's income so we can fly the way we wish
> > without endurring  the treatment received by airlines. Increasing our 
> > income
> > to allow us to fly privately is something we as individuals will need to
> > address. The next time someone invites you to investigate a money-making
> > opportunity remember this thread and decide with it in mind.
> >
> > Peter Donahue
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > To: "travelandtourism" <travelandtourism at nfbnet.org>; "nyagdu"
> > <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: "Milton Taylor" <milt2533 at gmail.com>; "Marc Maurer"
> > <officeofthepresident at nfb.org>; "Maurice Shackelford"
> > <management at peachtreeradiofm.com>; "david stayer"
> > <davidandloristayer at verizon.net>; "Jemal Powell" <derek2872 at yahoo.com>; 
> > "Jo
> > Taylor" <miltjotaylor at gmail.com>; "Carl Jacobsen" <office at nfbny.org>; 
> > "Mark`
> > Riccobono" <mriccobono at nfb.org>
> > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 12:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> >
> >
> > When everyone responds, please reply all. I really appreciate it.
> > Peter Donahue, I do hope as well, that our resolution has a lot of meat to
> > it, I have been asking the Travel & Tourism members and officers to work 
> > on
> > this, but with the holidays, it has gone to the way side.
> > But it is time to start working again, especially, we need to get our
> > thoughts on this resolution in time for the join meeting with NAGDU 
> > sometime
> > in January.
> > I agree with you Peter, many people who are overweight have this issue, in
> > fact, this was big news a few months ago when an obese teenager flew from
> > France to the Mayo Clinic for treatment, now is he obese due to a medical
> > condition and not from eating all day long, etc. He came here from France 
> > on
> > British Airways. but when he was going home they gave him a very hard 
> > time,
> > and then on the Eurostar train service from England to France because of
> > safety rules, so instead. he was being taken across the English Channel by
> > ferry.
> > I have dealt with a weight issue all my life. But again, mine is also from 
> > a
> > medical issue and not from over eating and not working out.
> > At the time Peter, maybe Marion Gwizdala (NAGDU) or other divisions, 
> > didn't
> > think it was serious enough to look at since it wasn't a blindness related
> > issue, and until it affected guide dogs, then maybe we will get involved. 
> > I
> > am a board member of NYAGDU, and a guide dog user.
> > When writing up a resolution we have to think about all the areas of it.
> > Peter as far as I am concerned and this division, we haven't heard anyone
> > seeking other forms of flying transportation, accept for then Mark Sloan,
> > which by the way, I haven't heard from him in over a year, and some of 
> > other
> > people as well.
> > If people can afford private jets to get places, that is fine, but the
> > majority of the average person cannot afford that, even the airlines 
> > itself,
> > many people cannot afford to pay for them.
> > Cheryl
> >
> >
> > Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY StateOffering the Best in
> > Meaningful Travel Experiences for Everyone!Cheryl Echevarria,
> > Ownerwww.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations at echevarriatravel.com
> >
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> > for
> > all her braille needs.  Gail Smith is the Secretary of the NFB of Alabama
> >
> > > From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
> > > To: travelandtourism at nfbnet.org
> > > Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 11:50:21 -0600
> > > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> > >
> > > Good morning Cheryl and everyone,
> > >
> > >     I warned about this several years ago. No one including Marion
> > > Gwizdala
> > > took me seriously when I told him and others that shrinking airplane 
> > > seats
> > > would not only pose a travel barrier for large passengers but could
> > > jeopardize our ability to keep our guide dogs in the cabin with us when 
> > > we
> > > fly. Perhaps this airline resolution that has been discussed here should
> > > address the issue of less seat room and how it is creating problems for
> > > passengers that travel with guide dogs. It's no wonder that some of us 
> > > are
> > > searching for flying options other than the airlines.
> > >
> > > Peter Donahue
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "travelandtourism" <travelandtourism at nfbnet.org>; "nyagdu"
> > > <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Cc: "Milton Taylor" <milt2533 at gmail.com>; "Marc Maurer"
> > > <officeofthepresident at nfb.org>; "Maurice Shackelford"
> > > <management at peachtreeradiofm.com>; "david stayer"
> > > <davidandloristayer at verizon.net>; "Jemal Powell" <derek2872 at yahoo.com>;
> > > "Jo
> > > Taylor" <miltjotaylor at gmail.com>; "Carl Jacobsen" <office at nfbny.org>;
> > > "Gary
> > > Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Mark` Riccobono" <mriccobono at nfb.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 11:34 AM
> > > Subject: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> > >
> > >
> > > There are many commercials out there, that are making fun of these 
> > > issues,
> > > but they are happening, especially with airlines that do not belong to
> > > IATA
> > > such as Southwest and Spirit Airlines, and some others.  Some have heard
> > > me
> > > talk about IATA and some do not know what this is. I will be posting 
> > > this
> > > not only to Travel & Tourism, but to NAGDU and to some leaders in the
> > > organization.
> > > Would love to hear your feedback on this subject.
> > > Yes, you are not going crazy or getting bigger and heavier. The fact is
> > > that, the airlines are trying to take as much room as possible from the
> > > space they already have on the planes, and add more seats. They make 
> > > more
> > > money because the get more passengers. The airlines can take a 150
> > > passenger
> > > plane and move the seats in and add up to 178 passengers.
> > > How do they do this, they take away the leg room, and for some of us 
> > > this
> > > is
> > > way to tight, even though that are not overweight will have issues
> > > breathing
> > > or even relaxing on a 3 hour flight, like to Orlando in Fl.
> > > Airlines such as Southwest and Spirit are already doing this, and 
> > > charging
> > > more for it as well.
> > > Now for those of us, who are also more than just blind or use guide 
> > > dogs,
> > > how do we fit in, or where is the under the seat space, supposedly our
> > > dogs
> > > and lie in when they force us to stick dogs under the seat in front of 
> > > us,
> > > well we wont be able to like this.
> > > What do you think?  Let us know.
> > > Also I mentioned an organization called IATA, which stands for
> > > International
> > > Air Transport Association,  is the trade association for the world’s
> > > airlines. It represents some 240 airlines or more than 80% of total air
> > > traffic. IATA supports airline activity and helps formulate industry
> > > policy
> > > and standards. It is headquartered in Montreal, Canada with Executive
> > > Offices in Geneva, Switzerland
> > > "IATA provides consulting and training services in many areas crucial to
> > > aviation.Travel Agent accreditation is available for travel 
> > > professionals.
> > > Full accreditation allows agents to sell tickets on behalf of all IATA
> > > member airlines.Cargo Agent accreditation is a similar program.IATA also
> > > runs the Billing and Settlement Plan, which is a $300 billion-plus
> > > financial
> > > system that looks after airline money.And it provides a number of 
> > > business
> > > intelligence publications and services.Training covers all aspects of
> > > aviation and ranges from beginner courses through to senior management
> > > courses."
> > > The majority of all the airlines belong to this organization, as well 
> > > as,
> > > travel professionals, like yours truly can apply for card with them. I
> > > have
> > > enough association cards, that allow me to book my clients, they are 
> > > also
> > > very expense to get an association with them for someone who is a home
> > > based
> > > agent.
> > > For more about IATA - here is a link for all the information on them.
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Air_Transport_Association
> > > Many of the Host Agencies have them, so you don't personally needs them.
> > > Southwest and Spirit do not belong to this organization, they have a
> > > choice
> > > to do this, but if they were, they would have to comply with certain
> > > standards, which they don't. So if you are contacting a travel
> > > professional
> > > and they say they cannot book Southwest or Spirit, it is because they do
> > > not
> > > belong to this organization. So in short, no more leg room, you must sit
> > > up
> > > like a board, and I know myself, if I sit up that straight, it will
> > > prevent
> > > me from doing other things, like maybe doing some work on the plane, or
> > > like
> > > I said where do I put my dog, in the overhead area. That would be funny.
> > > NOT!
> > > Cheryl Echevarria, PresidentNFB Travel & Tourism
> > > Divisioninfo at nfbtravel.org631-236-5138www.nfbtravel.orgfacebook page: 
> > > NFB
> > > Travel & TourismTwitter: nfbtraveltour1
> > >
> > > Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY StateOffering the Best in
> > > Meaningful Travel Experiences for Everyone!Cheryl Echevarria,
> > > Ownerwww.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations at echevarriatravel.com
> > >
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