[Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking

cheryl echevarria cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
Fri Dec 27 21:48:07 UTC 2013 

Well I am trying to find out since I use Zoomtext and not screen reader.

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> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 16:32:32 -0500
> From: mwertman72 at gmail.com
> To: travelandtourism at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> 
> I know I have not participated much here, but Peter is right. Not to
> mention that the reply to all command is different depending on what
> email program you use and their are a lot of people who don't know how
> to do it. If you are wanting people to reply to all perhaps you need to
> explain to them how it is done.
> On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 15:06:04 -0600
> "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hello Cheryl and everyone,
> > 
> > Better yet stress the importance of those folks subscribing to this list so 
> > the messages are received even if someone fails to hit the "Reply to All." 
> > If they were interested in receiving these messages they would subscribe to 
> > this list. Perhaps you would do well to stress the importance of their 
> > subscribing to this list and spend less time hounding those of us 
> > participating before we disappear in to thin air please!
> > 
> > Peter Donahue
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > To: "travelandtourism" <travelandtourism at nfbnet.org>; "nyagdu" 
> > <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: "Milton Taylor" <milt2533 at gmail.com>; "Maurice Shackelford" 
> > <management at peachtreeradiofm.com>; "david stayer" 
> > <davidandloristayer at verizon.net>; "Jemal Powell" <derek2872 at yahoo.com>; "Jo 
> > Taylor" <miltjotaylor at gmail.com>; "Carl Jacobsen" <office at nfbny.org>; "Mark` 
> > Riccobono" <mriccobono at nfb.org>
> > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 1:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> > 
> > 
> > Again, Peter, if you please and the rest of us.
> > If you can select reply all to the responses, they not only go to Travel & 
> > Tourism Division, but also a number of the officers of the division, for 
> > whatever reason are yet to be on our talk list, as well as, this is going to 
> > NYAGDU, the NY Association of Guide Dog Users, and other leaders in the NFB.
> > I am not sure what the control options for a screen reader is for this, but 
> > I hope that when responding that you all will comply. Thank you.
> > Well, maybe also we can combine our efforts with out disability 
> > organizations, I am actively working with SATH.org - Society of Accessible 
> > Travel & Hospitality, as well as, Association of Airline Passengers Rights, 
> > which I am also a member of the others.
> > If we get these resolutions to pass, and if we can get the airlines at least 
> > in the US to comply, then we wont have to look for alternatives in flying, 
> > like private jet services.
> > Cheryl
> > 
> > Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY StateOffering the Best in 
> > Meaningful Travel Experiences for Everyone!Cheryl Echevarria, 
> > Ownerwww.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations at echevarriatravel.com
> > 
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> > 
> > > From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
> > > To: travelandtourism at nfbnet.org
> > > Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 12:46:55 -0600
> > > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> > >
> > > Hello Cheryl and everyone,
> > >
> > >     Perhaps this needs to be attacked on two fronts. The resolution and
> > > working with the DOT to set a required seat width to accommodate all
> > > passengers including large ones and to insure that passengers traveling 
> > > with
> > > guide dogs will have enough room to accommodate the dog in the cabin
> > > particularly large dogs.
> > >
> > >     The second way to address this issue is for us as individuals to
> > > investigate additional sources of income to among other things be able to
> > > travel privately or in first class so we and our guide dogs can fly in
> > > comfort. Starting a business such as a travel agency is one idea. There 
> > > are
> > > many other ways to supplement one's income so we can fly the way we wish
> > > without endurring  the treatment received by airlines. Increasing our 
> > > income
> > > to allow us to fly privately is something we as individuals will need to
> > > address. The next time someone invites you to investigate a money-making
> > > opportunity remember this thread and decide with it in mind.
> > >
> > > Peter Donahue
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "travelandtourism" <travelandtourism at nfbnet.org>; "nyagdu"
> > > <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Cc: "Milton Taylor" <milt2533 at gmail.com>; "Marc Maurer"
> > > <officeofthepresident at nfb.org>; "Maurice Shackelford"
> > > <management at peachtreeradiofm.com>; "david stayer"
> > > <davidandloristayer at verizon.net>; "Jemal Powell" <derek2872 at yahoo.com>; 
> > > "Jo
> > > Taylor" <miltjotaylor at gmail.com>; "Carl Jacobsen" <office at nfbny.org>; 
> > > "Mark`
> > > Riccobono" <mriccobono at nfb.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 12:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> > >
> > >
> > > When everyone responds, please reply all. I really appreciate it.
> > > Peter Donahue, I do hope as well, that our resolution has a lot of meat to
> > > it, I have been asking the Travel & Tourism members and officers to work 
> > > on
> > > this, but with the holidays, it has gone to the way side.
> > > But it is time to start working again, especially, we need to get our
> > > thoughts on this resolution in time for the join meeting with NAGDU 
> > > sometime
> > > in January.
> > > I agree with you Peter, many people who are overweight have this issue, in
> > > fact, this was big news a few months ago when an obese teenager flew from
> > > France to the Mayo Clinic for treatment, now is he obese due to a medical
> > > condition and not from eating all day long, etc. He came here from France 
> > > on
> > > British Airways. but when he was going home they gave him a very hard 
> > > time,
> > > and then on the Eurostar train service from England to France because of
> > > safety rules, so instead. he was being taken across the English Channel by
> > > ferry.
> > > I have dealt with a weight issue all my life. But again, mine is also from 
> > > a
> > > medical issue and not from over eating and not working out.
> > > At the time Peter, maybe Marion Gwizdala (NAGDU) or other divisions, 
> > > didn't
> > > think it was serious enough to look at since it wasn't a blindness related
> > > issue, and until it affected guide dogs, then maybe we will get involved. 
> > > I
> > > am a board member of NYAGDU, and a guide dog user.
> > > When writing up a resolution we have to think about all the areas of it.
> > > Peter as far as I am concerned and this division, we haven't heard anyone
> > > seeking other forms of flying transportation, accept for then Mark Sloan,
> > > which by the way, I haven't heard from him in over a year, and some of 
> > > other
> > > people as well.
> > > If people can afford private jets to get places, that is fine, but the
> > > majority of the average person cannot afford that, even the airlines 
> > > itself,
> > > many people cannot afford to pay for them.
> > > Cheryl
> > >
> > >
> > > Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY StateOffering the Best in
> > > Meaningful Travel Experiences for Everyone!Cheryl Echevarria,
> > > Ownerwww.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations at echevarriatravel.com
> > >
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> > > for
> > > all her braille needs.  Gail Smith is the Secretary of the NFB of Alabama
> > >
> > > > From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
> > > > To: travelandtourism at nfbnet.org
> > > > Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 11:50:21 -0600
> > > > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> > > >
> > > > Good morning Cheryl and everyone,
> > > >
> > > >     I warned about this several years ago. No one including Marion
> > > > Gwizdala
> > > > took me seriously when I told him and others that shrinking airplane 
> > > > seats
> > > > would not only pose a travel barrier for large passengers but could
> > > > jeopardize our ability to keep our guide dogs in the cabin with us when 
> > > > we
> > > > fly. Perhaps this airline resolution that has been discussed here should
> > > > address the issue of less seat room and how it is creating problems for
> > > > passengers that travel with guide dogs. It's no wonder that some of us 
> > > > are
> > > > searching for flying options other than the airlines.
> > > >
> > > > Peter Donahue
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: "travelandtourism" <travelandtourism at nfbnet.org>; "nyagdu"
> > > > <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > > Cc: "Milton Taylor" <milt2533 at gmail.com>; "Marc Maurer"
> > > > <officeofthepresident at nfb.org>; "Maurice Shackelford"
> > > > <management at peachtreeradiofm.com>; "david stayer"
> > > > <davidandloristayer at verizon.net>; "Jemal Powell" <derek2872 at yahoo.com>;
> > > > "Jo
> > > > Taylor" <miltjotaylor at gmail.com>; "Carl Jacobsen" <office at nfbny.org>;
> > > > "Gary
> > > > Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Mark` Riccobono" <mriccobono at nfb.org>
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 11:34 AM
> > > > Subject: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There are many commercials out there, that are making fun of these 
> > > > issues,
> > > > but they are happening, especially with airlines that do not belong to
> > > > IATA
> > > > such as Southwest and Spirit Airlines, and some others.  Some have heard
> > > > me
> > > > talk about IATA and some do not know what this is. I will be posting 
> > > > this
> > > > not only to Travel & Tourism, but to NAGDU and to some leaders in the
> > > > organization.
> > > > Would love to hear your feedback on this subject.
> > > > Yes, you are not going crazy or getting bigger and heavier. The fact is
> > > > that, the airlines are trying to take as much room as possible from the
> > > > space they already have on the planes, and add more seats. They make 
> > > > more
> > > > money because the get more passengers. The airlines can take a 150
> > > > passenger
> > > > plane and move the seats in and add up to 178 passengers.
> > > > How do they do this, they take away the leg room, and for some of us 
> > > > this
> > > > is
> > > > way to tight, even though that are not overweight will have issues
> > > > breathing
> > > > or even relaxing on a 3 hour flight, like to Orlando in Fl.
> > > > Airlines such as Southwest and Spirit are already doing this, and 
> > > > charging
> > > > more for it as well.
> > > > Now for those of us, who are also more than just blind or use guide 
> > > > dogs,
> > > > how do we fit in, or where is the under the seat space, supposedly our
> > > > dogs
> > > > and lie in when they force us to stick dogs under the seat in front of 
> > > > us,
> > > > well we wont be able to like this.
> > > > What do you think?  Let us know.
> > > > Also I mentioned an organization called IATA, which stands for
> > > > International
> > > > Air Transport Association,  is the trade association for the world’s
> > > > airlines. It represents some 240 airlines or more than 80% of total air
> > > > traffic. IATA supports airline activity and helps formulate industry
> > > > policy
> > > > and standards. It is headquartered in Montreal, Canada with Executive
> > > > Offices in Geneva, Switzerland
> > > > "IATA provides consulting and training services in many areas crucial to
> > > > aviation.Travel Agent accreditation is available for travel 
> > > > professionals.
> > > > Full accreditation allows agents to sell tickets on behalf of all IATA
> > > > member airlines.Cargo Agent accreditation is a similar program.IATA also
> > > > runs the Billing and Settlement Plan, which is a $300 billion-plus
> > > > financial
> > > > system that looks after airline money.And it provides a number of 
> > > > business
> > > > intelligence publications and services.Training covers all aspects of
> > > > aviation and ranges from beginner courses through to senior management
> > > > courses."
> > > > The majority of all the airlines belong to this organization, as well 
> > > > as,
> > > > travel professionals, like yours truly can apply for card with them. I
> > > > have
> > > > enough association cards, that allow me to book my clients, they are 
> > > > also
> > > > very expense to get an association with them for someone who is a home
> > > > based
> > > > agent.
> > > > For more about IATA - here is a link for all the information on them.
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Air_Transport_Association
> > > > Many of the Host Agencies have them, so you don't personally needs them.
> > > > Southwest and Spirit do not belong to this organization, they have a
> > > > choice
> > > > to do this, but if they were, they would have to comply with certain
> > > > standards, which they don't. So if you are contacting a travel
> > > > professional
> > > > and they say they cannot book Southwest or Spirit, it is because they do
> > > > not
> > > > belong to this organization. So in short, no more leg room, you must sit
> > > > up
> > > > like a board, and I know myself, if I sit up that straight, it will
> > > > prevent
> > > > me from doing other things, like maybe doing some work on the plane, or
> > > > like
> > > > I said where do I put my dog, in the overhead area. That would be funny.
> > > > NOT!
> > > > Cheryl Echevarria, PresidentNFB Travel & Tourism
> > > > Divisioninfo at nfbtravel.org631-236-5138www.nfbtravel.orgfacebook page: 
> > > > NFB
> > > > Travel & TourismTwitter: nfbtraveltour1
> > > >
> > > > Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY StateOffering the Best in
> > > > Meaningful Travel Experiences for Everyone!Cheryl Echevarria,
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