[Travelandtourism] Airlines Seats Shrinking changed to January 2014 Meeting
cheryl echevarria
cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
Sat Dec 28 15:29:38 UTC 2013
I am asking that for future discussion that we bring this to our monthly at large chapter meeting that will be held on Monday, January 20th, 2014 at 8PM Eastern Time.
All members and non-members are welcome to come, this is not a board of directors meeting, this is a membership meeting.
One of the topics of discussion will be this issue. As well as, updated information on our Resolution, we need updates from the board to me prior to this meeting, we need more information in the resolution, so I can forward to President, Marion Gwizdala, so we can do this as a joint resolution. So far, we have nothing from anyone on this reply. Officers, please respond to the request.
Other topics - Meetings at convention, possible guests, updated on the trip to Nashville, plans on a group trip with members to Epcot in Walt Disney World prior to start of Convention (this one is not a freebie), also any other topics that would like to be discussed. We would like to keep it to at least and hour to an hour and a half.
The number to call in and please save for future meetings, if for any reason you lose the call in number, it is posted on the nfbtravel.org website on the home page.
To call in the number is 1(805) 360-1000 and the access code is 871517#
We will do a roll call of everyone on the call, introduce the officers, treasurers and secretary reports. Then topics of discussion and then open it up to Q&A.
For those who may have background noise, please mute your phones until called upon which is *6 or those who are unsure that is the star button and the number 6 and to unmute it the same procedures.
The meetings are recorded as well.
We welcome everyone to come. Mark your calendars.
Thank you.
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> From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
> To: travelandtourism at nfbnet.org; aebaron at comcast.net; gfarnum at cox.net; derek2872 at yahoo.com; miltjotaylor at gmail.com; margo.downey at verizon.net; management at peachtreeradiofm.com; milt2533 at gmail.com; nyagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 10:16:48 -0500
> CC: davidandloristayer at verizon.net; office at nfbny.org; mriccobono at nfb.org
> Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
>
> There is a response to Steve below.
> Again, please reply all to the e-mail, we have posted many times on how to do this. I have stopped try to re-post this to NYAGDU and to Dr. Maurer and Mark Riccobono and other people who could help in this area. Maybe in the future, we all can try and do better at this, I have sent separately and on the list to help in how to do this, if you are not sure with your particular e-mail service, please ask, so that way we can help with these issues.
> Also, this list is not as active yet, and I hope there will be a day when there is, that we need to have our e-mails batches, and only get a daily e-mail of all the topics, but at this time there isn't, we will have them monitored and keep track of the flow, and if we say, we have enough traffic, I will ask that it be brought to the monthly meetings for further discussion.
> Thank you.Steve that is correct this is not just a blind issue, but this just pertain to everyone, who travels, that is why I post these topics, to get people talking and thinking, and for someone like myself who travels for a living, opposed to some of you, who just travel only a few times a year, I think these topics are very important.
> But, we do have to think about this very carefully, with the smaller spaces, how are we suppose to sit and relax, okay the leg room is smaller, but many of us have to think about our canes, guide dogs, or maybe other issues, some of us have multiple disabilities, where it is imperative to sit at least to the point we can fit into the seat. We also shouldn't have to pay for the more leg room or expansion because someone is bigger than the next, that is discrimination.
> They have made people who morbidly obese a disability, because, many of these people must use a scooter to get around, and other forms of alternative mobility tools.
> We are not the only organization that sees issues with what the airlines are doing, that is why I post those stories and topics as well, they might not be blind related, but they do pertain to us, as people who travel.
> Yes we are blind, but sometimes, we have to take the word blind out of the equation.
> Peter has good points about the jets, but at the same time, many people do not have the finances to use these options.
> Cheryl
>
> Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY StateOffering the Best in Meaningful Travel Experiences for Everyone!Cheryl Echevarria, Ownerwww.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>
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>
> > From: blinddog3 at charter.net
> > To: tracieinman at yahoo.com; travelandtourism at nfbnet.org
> > Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 20:23:04 -0600
> > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> >
> > Tracey,
> >
> > I agree wholeheartedly in that the airlines are facing continuing escalating
> > fuel prices, while at the same time, trying to come up with ways to make
> > sure that they remain solvent but at the same time, find a possible balance
> > of serving the customer most effectively. The larger airlines however, are
> > seemingly doing what the small commuter airlines have done forever in
> > serving more with less. Taking a puddle jumper to catch a larger flight is
> > not an easy task, but for many of us, this is something we are just used to.
> > Granted, these are generally shorter flights than a larger commercial
> > flight, but the same idea is there in maximizing passenger capacity while
> > reducing space. I have flown some econo-liners in the past and they have
> > adopted this concept and seem to do well financially for quite some time.
> > So, why shouldn't the rest of the major airlines follow? It is a business
> > after all, and although they are to serve the customer, they are also there
> > to make a profit, and I really don't blame them. This really isn't a blind
> > issue, nor should it be made one as we adjust to such changes every day
> > whether one is blind or not, whether one has a dog guide or not...it's all a
> > part of life, and all a part of surviving the business world. If there is
> > any good outcome, maybe by the mere fact that they are expanding seating
> > capacity, this could drive the seating costs down as well. Just my
> > thoughts.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Travelandtourism [mailto:travelandtourism-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf Of Tracie Inman
> > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 7:59 PM
> > To: NFB Travel and Tourism Division List
> > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> >
> > On my last flight, in September of this year, I found that the seating on
> > Delta was much smaller than previous flights. This was true both ways. I
> > do have a bit of an obesity problem, so for me it was a bit uncomfortable
> > trying to sit for 3 1/2 hours in a seat that was a bit small. I couldn't
> > help but wonder what would passengers flying international who have the same
> > issue I have do? Why are they making it so uncomfortable to the traveler?
> > Delta is an IATA member. They are following the pattern. These do raise
> > some very important questions. I just don't know what the answer is. As
> > fuel prices rise the airlines struggle to find ways to cut back. So, I do
> > understand that it is as much about their needs as it is about ours (the
> > passengers). Still, there should be some middle ground some where. -
> > Tracie
> >
> >
> >
> > "Making Your Travel Dreams Come True No Matter What the Obstacles"
> >
> > Tracie Inman, Independent Contractor
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> > 904-372-0644
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Friday, December 27, 2013 8:04 PM, Cherylandmaxx
> > <Cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much
> >
> >
> > Cheryl Echevarrua
> > Echevarria Travel
> > www.echevarriatravel.com
> > Echevarriatravelblog.com
> > 631-456-5394
> > Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
> > Cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Steven Johnson <blinddog3 at charter.net>
> > Date:12/27/2013 7:13 PM (GMT-05:00)
> > To: 'NFB Travel and Tourism Division List' <travelandtourism at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> >
> > It is control shift R with JAWS to reply to all.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Travelandtourism [mailto:travelandtourism-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf Of cheryl echevarria
> > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 3:48 PM
> > To: travelandtourism
> > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> >
> > Well I am trying to find out since I use Zoomtext and not screen reader.
> >
> > Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY StateOffering the Best in
> > Meaningful Travel Experiences for Everyone!Cheryl Echevarria,
> > Ownerwww.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations at echevarriatravel.com
> >
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> >
> > > Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 16:32:32 -0500
> > > From: mwertman72 at gmail.com
> > > To: travelandtourism at nfbnet.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> > >
> > > I know I have not participated much here, but Peter is right. Not to
> > > mention that the reply to all command is different depending on what
> > > email program you use and their are a lot of people who don't know how
> > > to do it. If you are wanting people to reply to all perhaps you need
> > > to explain to them how it is done.
> > > On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 15:06:04 -0600
> > > "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello Cheryl and everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Better yet stress the importance of those folks subscribing to this
> > > > list so the messages are received even if someone fails to hit the
> > "Reply to All."
> > > > If they were interested in receiving these messages they would
> > > > subscribe to this list. Perhaps you would do well to stress the
> > > > importance of their subscribing to this list and spend less time
> > > > hounding those of us participating before we disappear in to thin
> > > > air
> > please!
> > > >
> > > > Peter Donahue
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: "travelandtourism" <travelandtourism at nfbnet.org>; "nyagdu"
> > > > <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > > Cc: "Milton Taylor" <milt2533 at gmail.com>; "Maurice Shackelford"
> > > > <management at peachtreeradiofm.com>; "david stayer"
> > > > <davidandloristayer at verizon.net>; "Jemal Powell"
> > > > <derek2872 at yahoo.com>; "Jo Taylor" <miltjotaylor at gmail.com>; "Carl
> > > > Jacobsen" <office at nfbny.org>; "Mark` Riccobono" <mriccobono at nfb.org>
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 1:01 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Again, Peter, if you please and the rest of us.
> > > > If you can select reply all to the responses, they not only go to
> > > > Travel & Tourism Division, but also a number of the officers of the
> > > > division, for whatever reason are yet to be on our talk list, as
> > > > well as, this is going to NYAGDU, the NY Association of Guide Dog
> > > > Users,
> > and other leaders in the NFB.
> > > > I am not sure what the control options for a screen reader is for
> > > > this, but I hope that when responding that you all will comply.
> > > > Thank
> > you.
> > > > Well, maybe also we can combine our efforts with out disability
> > > > organizations, I am actively working with SATH.org - Society of
> > > > Accessible Travel & Hospitality, as well as, Association of Airline
> > > > Passengers Rights, which I am also a member of the others.
> > > > If we get these resolutions to pass, and if we can get the airlines
> > > > at least in the US to comply, then we wont have to look for
> > > > alternatives in flying, like private jet services.
> > > > Cheryl
> > > >
> > > > Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY StateOffering the Best
> > > > in Meaningful Travel Experiences for Everyone!Cheryl Echevarria,
> > > > Ownerwww.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations at echevarriatrav
> > > > el.com
> > > >
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> > > > Secretary of the NFB of Alabama
> > > >
> > > > > From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
> > > > > To: travelandtourism at nfbnet.org
> > > > > Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 12:46:55 -0600
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Cheryl and everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps this needs to be attacked on two fronts. The
> > > > >resolution and working with the DOT to set a required seat width
> > > > >to accommodate all passengers including large ones and to insure
> > > > >that passengers traveling with guide dogs will have enough room to
> > > > >accommodate the dog in the cabin particularly large dogs.
> > > > >
> > > > > The second way to address this issue is for us as individuals
> > > > >to investigate additional sources of income to among other things
> > > > >be able to travel privately or in first class so we and our guide
> > > > >dogs can fly in comfort. Starting a business such as a travel
> > > > >agency is one idea. There are many other ways to supplement one's
> > > > >income so we can fly the way we wish without endurring the
> > > > >treatment received by airlines. Increasing our income to allow us
> > > > >to fly privately is something we as individuals will need to
> > > > >address. The next time someone invites you to investigate a
> > > > >money-making opportunity remember this thread and decide with it in
> > mind.
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter Donahue
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: "travelandtourism" <travelandtourism at nfbnet.org>; "nyagdu"
> > > > > <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > Cc: "Milton Taylor" <milt2533 at gmail.com>; "Marc Maurer"
> > > > > <officeofthepresident at nfb.org>; "Maurice Shackelford"
> > > > > <management at peachtreeradiofm.com>; "david stayer"
> > > > > <davidandloristayer at verizon.net>; "Jemal Powell"
> > > > > <derek2872 at yahoo.com>; "Jo Taylor" <miltjotaylor at gmail.com>; "Carl
> > > > > Jacobsen" <office at nfbny.org>; "Mark` Riccobono"
> > > > > <mriccobono at nfb.org>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 12:13 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > When everyone responds, please reply all. I really appreciate it.
> > > > > Peter Donahue, I do hope as well, that our resolution has a lot of
> > meat to
> > > > > it, I have been asking the Travel & Tourism members and officers
> > > > > to
> > work
> > > > > on
> > > > > this, but with the holidays, it has gone to the way side.
> > > > > But it is time to start working again, especially, we need to get
> > > > > our thoughts on this resolution in time for the join meeting with
> > > > > NAGDU sometime in January.
> > > > > I agree with you Peter, many people who are overweight have this
> > issue, in
> > > > > fact, this was big news a few months ago when an obese teenager
> > > > > flew
> > from
> > > > > France to the Mayo Clinic for treatment, now is he obese due to a
> > medical
> > > > > condition and not from eating all day long, etc. He came here from
> > France
> > > > > on
> > > > > British Airways. but when he was going home they gave him a very
> > > > > hard time, and then on the Eurostar train service from England to
> > > > > France because
> > of
> > > > > safety rules, so instead. he was being taken across the English
> > Channel by
> > > > > ferry.
> > > > > I have dealt with a weight issue all my life. But again, mine is
> > > > > also
> > from
> > > > > a
> > > > > medical issue and not from over eating and not working out.
> > > > > At the time Peter, maybe Marion Gwizdala (NAGDU) or other
> > > > > divisions, didn't think it was serious enough to look at since it
> > > > > wasn't a blindness
> > related
> > > > > issue, and until it affected guide dogs, then maybe we will get
> > involved.
> > > > > I
> > > > > am a board member of NYAGDU, and a guide dog user.
> > > > > When writing up a resolution we have to think about all the areas
> > > > > of
> > it.
> > > > > Peter as far as I am concerned and this division, we haven't heard
> > anyone
> > > > > seeking other forms of flying transportation, accept for then Mark
> > Sloan,
> > > > > which by the way, I haven't heard from him in over a year, and
> > > > > some of
> >
> > > > > other
> > > > > people as well.
> > > > > If people can afford private jets to get places, that is fine, but
> > > > > the majority of the average person cannot afford that, even the
> > > > > airlines itself, many people cannot afford to pay for them.
> > > > > Cheryl
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY StateOffering the
> > > > > Best in Meaningful Travel Experiences for Everyone!Cheryl
> > > > > Echevarria,
> > > > >
> > Ownerwww.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations at echevarriatravel.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Sign up for our e-newsletter by e-mailing us you first and last
> > > > > name,
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> > you
> > > > > want
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> > www.braillesmith.com
> > > > > for
> > > > > all her braille needs. Gail Smith is the Secretary of the NFB of
> > Alabama
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
> > > > > > To: travelandtourism at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 11:50:21 -0600
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good morning Cheryl and everyone,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I warned about this several years ago. No one including
> > > > > >Marion Gwizdala took me seriously when I told him and others
> > > > > >that shrinking airplane
> >
> > > > > > seats
> > > > > > would not only pose a travel barrier for large passengers but
> > > > > > could jeopardize our ability to keep our guide dogs in the cabin
> > > > > > with us
> > when
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > fly. Perhaps this airline resolution that has been discussed
> > > > > > here
> > should
> > > > > > address the issue of less seat room and how it is creating
> > > > > > problems
> > for
> > > > > > passengers that travel with guide dogs. It's no wonder that some
> > > > > > of
> > us
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > searching for flying options other than the airlines.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Peter Donahue
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > To: "travelandtourism" <travelandtourism at nfbnet.org>; "nyagdu"
> > > > > > <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > > Cc: "Milton Taylor" <milt2533 at gmail.com>; "Marc Maurer"
> > > > > > <officeofthepresident at nfb.org>; "Maurice Shackelford"
> > > > > > <management at peachtreeradiofm.com>; "david stayer"
> > > > > > <davidandloristayer at verizon.net>; "Jemal Powell"
> > <derek2872 at yahoo.com>;
> > > > > > "Jo
> > > > > > Taylor" <miltjotaylor at gmail.com>; "Carl Jacobsen"
> > <office at nfbny.org>;
> > > > > > "Gary
> > > > > > Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>; "Mark` Riccobono"
> > <mriccobono at nfb.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 11:34 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [Travelandtourism] Airline seats keep shrinking
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are many commercials out there, that are making fun of
> > > > > > these issues, but they are happening, especially with airlines
> > > > > > that do not belong
> > to
> > > > > > IATA
> > > > > > such as Southwest and Spirit Airlines, and some others. Some
> > > > > > have
> > heard
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > talk about IATA and some do not know what this is. I will be
> > > > > > posting
> >
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > not only to Travel & Tourism, but to NAGDU and to some leaders
> > > > > > in
> > the
> > > > > > organization.
> > > > > > Would love to hear your feedback on this subject.
> > > > > > Yes, you are not going crazy or getting bigger and heavier. The
> > > > > > fact
> > is
> > > > > > that, the airlines are trying to take as much room as possible
> > > > > > from
> > the
> > > > > > space they already have on the planes, and add more seats. They
> > > > > > make
> >
> > > > > > more
> > > > > > money because the get more passengers. The airlines can take a
> > > > > > 150 passenger plane and move the seats in and add up to 178
> > > > > > passengers.
> > > > > > How do they do this, they take away the leg room, and for some
> > > > > > of us
> >
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > way to tight, even though that are not overweight will have
> > > > > > issues breathing or even relaxing on a 3 hour flight, like to
> > > > > > Orlando in Fl.
> > > > > > Airlines such as Southwest and Spirit are already doing this,
> > > > > > and charging more for it as well.
> > > > > > Now for those of us, who are also more than just blind or use
> > > > > > guide dogs, how do we fit in, or where is the under the seat
> > > > > > space, supposedly
> > our
> > > > > > dogs
> > > > > > and lie in when they force us to stick dogs under the seat in
> > > > > > front
> > of
> > > > > > us,
> > > > > > well we wont be able to like this.
> > > > > > What do you think? Let us know.
> > > > > > Also I mentioned an organization called IATA, which stands for
> > > > > > International Air Transport Association, is the trade
> > > > > > association for the world's airlines. It represents some 240
> > > > > > airlines or more than 80% of total
> > air
> > > > > > traffic. IATA supports airline activity and helps formulate
> > > > > > industry policy and standards. It is headquartered in Montreal,
> > > > > > Canada with
> > Executive
> > > > > > Offices in Geneva, Switzerland
> > > > > > "IATA provides consulting and training services in many areas
> > crucial to
> > > > > > aviation.Travel Agent accreditation is available for travel
> > > > > > professionals.
> > > > > > Full accreditation allows agents to sell tickets on behalf of
> > > > > > all
> > IATA
> > > > > > member airlines.Cargo Agent accreditation is a similar
> > > > > > program.IATA
> > also
> > > > > > runs the Billing and Settlement Plan, which is a $300
> > > > > > billion-plus financial system that looks after airline money.And
> > > > > > it provides a number of business intelligence publications and
> > > > > > services.Training covers all aspects
> > of
> > > > > > aviation and ranges from beginner courses through to senior
> > management
> > > > > > courses."
> > > > > > The majority of all the airlines belong to this organization, as
> > well
> > > > > > as,
> > > > > > travel professionals, like yours truly can apply for card with them.
> > I
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > enough association cards, that allow me to book my clients, they
> > > > > > are
> >
> > > > > > also
> > > > > > very expense to get an association with them for someone who is
> > > > > > a
> > home
> > > > > > based
> > > > > > agent.
> > > > > > For more about IATA - here is a link for all the information on
> > them.
> > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Air_Transport_Associa
> > > > > > tion Many of the Host Agencies have them, so you don't
> > > > > > personally needs
> > them.
> > > > > > Southwest and Spirit do not belong to this organization, they
> > > > > > have a choice to do this, but if they were, they would have to
> > > > > > comply with certain standards, which they don't. So if you are
> > > > > > contacting a travel professional and they say they cannot book
> > > > > > Southwest or Spirit, it is because
> > they do
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > belong to this organization. So in short, no more leg room, you
> > > > > > must
> > sit
> > > > > > up
> > > > > > like a board, and I know myself, if I sit up that straight, it
> > > > > > will prevent me from doing other things, like maybe doing some
> > > > > > work on the plane,
> > or
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > I said where do I put my dog, in the overhead area. That would
> > > > > > be
> > funny.
> > > > > > NOT!
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