[vendtalk] new money

Sun Feb 1 11:55:16 UTC 2009

Why not have coins for the blind to use. The coins used could be introduced in decernable configurations. The coin acceptors may be the most cost effective way to modify vending equipment and as a bonus maybe more people would use coins.

---- Sharon Cowsar II <deucehc at gmail.com> wrote: 
> I appreciate your idea but I am not certain that it would solve the problem
> of being able to identify bills. If you punch a hole in the corner, whether
> it be a 1, 5, 10, 20, or whatever, a totally blind person would still not be
> able to distinguish between the dinominations. A totally blind person cannot
> see which is the top of the bill and which is the bottom of the bill.
> Besides that, punching holes in the corners of the bills would damage the
> integrity of the bill and, before long, every bill in the country would be
> missing corners.
>    In order to print Braille on the currency and have it resilient enough to
> withstand the repeated use that money is subjected to, new elements would
> have to be added to the bills to strengthen its denier. This idea has been
> discussed but is not cost friendly to the treasury dept. Changing the size
> and shape of the money seems to be the most cost effective and convenient
> way for the currency to be made identifiable but the cost to the venders,
> the RS Program, and corporate America would be incredible due to the changes
> that would have to be made in vending machines, ATM machines, and any other
> device that is made to receive paper currency. Who knows, we might even have
> to redesign cash register drawers or wallets. Wouldn't that be a hoot?
>    These are all some of the ideas that made redesigning the currency a bad
> idea. The redesign and redistribution of all paper currency just isn't the
> practical, reasonable or cost effective way to resolve the problem we face.I
> appreciate that there may be some elements of discrimination involved with
> the lack of equal access to currency but I am certain that it was not an
> intentional exclusion of the blind population and I still believe that the
> answer to this problem lies with providing the blind population with quality
> currency identifiers and other technologies that can make the situation
> easier to navigate.
>    The costs associated with changing the currency and redistributing it
> nationwide would pay for currency identifiers for the blind of the US many
> times over. I do agree that money is not currently accessible without
> adequate technological assistance but this is one of the circumstances where
> I believe that it is up to the blind population to adapt and overcome; find
> new ways to deal with the existing situation and move beyond it to deal with
> other more pressing issues such as Braille literacy and the present
> unemployment rate among the blind community.
>    Have a nice day and thank you for the exchange of opinions  I enjoy
> discussing the issues that we face and I hope that the
> continuing discussions of ideas will lead to solutions to the problems that
> we face as blind and visually impaired people.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Lou Burton <lburton at nc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > A very simple way to change the money could be done without changing size
> > or shape, and would also not fiddle with vending machine access.
> >
> > Take a bill, lay it down face up, diagonally cut the upper right corner at
> > a 45 degree angle, this orients the bill.
> > A five would have a hole punched in the upper left hand corner, a ten would
> > have a hole punched in the lower left corner, a 20 would have a hole punched
> > in the lower right corner;
> > a fifty would have holes punched in both upper left and lower left as five
> > tens equaling 50, and a one hundred would have holes punched in the upper
> > left and lower right as in 5 20s equaling 100, and of course the one would
> > only have the orienting 45 degree cut in the upper right corner.
> >
> > Exsisting currency could be modified at the treasury as bills go through
> > circulation, that is as the banks send them in for deposits with the feds,
> > and all new currency could be modified when made, and before long, all the
> > bills in circulation would be of the new modifications.
> >
> > And just think, we would not have to hire some one to format the darn bills
> > for deposit with our banks.
> >
> > Being a vendor myself, i don't think that these modifications would bother
> > the bill validaters at all.
> >
> > What yall think?
> > At 07, 21 1/30/2009, you wrote:
> >
> >> This is a very interesting subject for many reasons but, forgoing any
> >> other
> >> talk about discrimination or equal access, it does present many complex
> >> problems.
> >>   Just consider for a moment the cost that this kind of currency change
> >> might burden venders or the RS Program with. What about the vending
> >> machines? If the size or shape of the currency is changed to accomodate
> >> the
> >> blind in the community, then all of the vending machines have to be
> >> modified
> >> to accept these new bills. If the machines are not modified, then venders
> >> stand the chance of losing income because patrons might not have correct
> >> change and might, therefore, not have access to the vending machines.
> >>   In any case, I think that this is a very long way away. Even if the
> >> treasury does decide that it would be appropriate to change the currency,
> >> then they have a great deal of work to do in replacing the currency that
> >> now
> >> exists. The cost of doing this would be incredible and it would probably
> >> take many years to gradually filter the old money out and the new money
> >> in.
> >> My best advice is to buy a currency identifier, sit back, and enjoy the
> >> show.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Charlie Richardson <
> >> charlieofalbany at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > This could happen, but in all vending facilities, or at least it could
> >> or
> >> > should be, a note teller in them.  That way you know what currency
> >> people
> >> > are handing you.  There is also a certain amount of trust in our
> >> customers
> >> > as this is a bit different from businesses on the street.  I see the
> >> same
> >> > customer sometime 4 or 5 times a day.  So we are more a part of a
> >> community.
> >> > So the chances of cheating are less.
> >> >
> >> > As far as the lawsuit, the Department of the Treasury lost their case
> >> last
> >> > May and I have not heard of another appeal, so they are probably in
> >> process
> >> > of looking into an acceptable change of currency that will work for
> >> > businesses and the blind that brought the lawsuit.
> >> >
> >> > I think the NFB's position has been misunderstood as it is in many other
> >> > cases.  I have seen quotes and was quoted myself by Associated Press
> >> that
> >> > the change isn't the problem, but the fact that it was brought on as a
> >> > discrimination case.  My opinion would be that blind people being denied
> >> the
> >> > use of money would be discrimination.  One of the judges was quoted as
> >> > saying, just because the blind can use money is like saying a person
> >> using a
> >> > wheelchair can drag themselves and their chair up stairs rather than
> >> using a
> >> > ramp.  This is like comparing apples to oranges.
> >> >
> >> > Anyway, arguing about it solves nothing because the case hasn't been
> >> > appealed as far as I know.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "cheryl echevarria" <
> >> > cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> >> > To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:52 PM
> >> > Subject: [vendtalk] new money
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   I have a question, one day this week a new tv was on I don't watch it
> >> >> but the others at work have.  The show is called what would you do.
> >>  and in
> >> >> a segment, had an actor blinding a blind person who was buying
> >> something in
> >> >> a bakery and the merchant purposely who was also another action cheat
> >> the
> >> >> blind person, to see if people would react it the situation and help
> >> the
> >> >> blind person out.  To me we go shopping at the time without any help
> >> like
> >> >> myself and if I am going to a merchant that I go to all the time, I
> >> usually
> >> >> don't worry about it.  And I don't think they should have done this
> >> >> anything.
> >> >>
> >> >> But it was brought up again that the federal government is changing our
> >> >> money.  I mentioned again to the people at work who I was having a
> >> >> conversation with that first of all I am my NFB family, just look at
> >> >> blindness as a nusuance.  But they started insisting that we should
> >> fight to
> >> >> get money that we can use.  I said why, we have been using money since
> >> it
> >> >> has been created now.  They kept insisting that is happening now.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is this true that the government is changing I haven't heard nothing
> >> was
> >> >> posted on the lists or in the braille monitor.
> >> >>
> >> >> I want to show these people who are the ones that they now what is best
> >> >> for blind people what is going on if there is any updates.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheryl Echevarria
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> >> >> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:30 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Kevan:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You wrote "the Worley Blind Union."  Is that a "Freudian slip???!!!"
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Dave
> >> >>>
> >> >>> At 10:07 AM 1/27/2009, you wrote:
> >> >>> >Greetings colleagues,
> >> >>> >I have enjoyed the back and forth relative to lottery. Well, most of
> >> it.
> >> >>> >It
> >> >>> >would be really good if we could keep our eyes on the prize here. I
> >> >>> >think
> >> >>> >that, given the interest I've seen on the list, as well as from some
> >> of
> >> >>> >the
> >> >>> >calls I've received, the National Association of Blind Merchants
> >> should
> >> >>> >work
> >> >>> >with some folks and explore the very best way we can access lottery
> >> >>> >technologies. Dr. Maurer and Dr. Schroeder are very active at the
> >> >>> >highest
> >> >>> >levels of the Worley Blind Union. I will ask them to investigate what
> >> >>> >the
> >> >>> >Ansai folks are doing in Spain. I know that Charlie Richardson is
> >> >>> >continuing
> >> >>> >his follow up. Perhaps we can have a full report on options and
> >> >>> >possibilities at the upcoming BLAST conference. I'll put some effort
> >> >>> >into
> >> >>> >this. If you have comments, alternative techniques, and data to
> >> share,
> >> >>> >please be in touch with me.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >>> >From: vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:
> >> vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >> >>> >On
> >> >>> >Behalf Of Charlie Richardson
> >> >>> >Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:03 PM
> >> >>> >To: Vendor Talk Mailing List
> >> >>> >Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Then why are you continuing it here?
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> >From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
> >> >>> >To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> >Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:04 PM
> >> >>> >Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > > Tha's just it.  He really does not.  But that is a topic for
> >> another
> >> >>> > > list.
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > Loren Wakefield
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > "The best way to predict your Future is to create it." Dr. Forress
> >> C.
> >> >>> > > Shaklee
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > www.ultimatehealthwithtlc.com
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > 319-433-0145 866-433-3969
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> > > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> >> >>> > > To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:36 AM
> >> >>> > > Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > >> What does that have to do with anything and he admits he is
> >> legally
> >> >>> > >> blind.
> >> >>> > >>
> >> >>> > >> Cheryl Echevarria
> >> >>> > >>
> >> >>> > >>
> >> >>> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> > >> From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
> >> >>> > >> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 12:35 AM
> >> >>> > >> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
> >> >>> > >>
> >> >>> > >>
> >> >>> > >>> The Governor has to admit to being blind first.
> >> >>> > >>>
> >> >>> > >>>
> >> >>> > >>> Loren Wakefield
> >> >>> > >>>
> >> >>> > >>> "The best way to predict your Future is to create it." Dr.
> >> Forress
> >> >>> > >>> C.
> >> >>> > >>> Shaklee
> >> >>> > >>>
> >> >>> > >>> www.ultimatehealthwithtlc.com
> >> >>> > >>>
> >> >>> > >>> 319-433-0145 866-433-3969
> >> >>> > >>>
> >> >>> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> > >>> From: "Charlie Richardson" <charlieofalbany at hotmail.com>
> >> >>> > >>> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> > >>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:42 PM
> >> >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
> >> >>> > >>>
> >> >>> > >>>
> >> >>> > >>> > It's not a talking verifier, but a talking handheld terminal.
> >> >
> >> >>> >>> > When I
> >> >>> > >>> > showed
> >> >>> > >>> > this story from G-Tech's website to our state senator who is
> >> the
> >> >>> > >>> > chair
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > >>> > of
> >> >>> > >>> > the racing and wagering committee, he wondered why a small >
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > country
> >> >>> > >>> > like
> >> >>> > >>> > Spain is using this technology when no one in the U.S. is.  In
> >> >
> >> >>> >>> > short
> >> >>> > >>> > it
> >> >>> > >>> > seems like no one asked the right person, hopefully by having
> >> a >
> >> >>> >>> > blind
> >> >>> > >>> > governor in New York has brought awareness.  This fact was >
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > brought up
> >> >>> > >>> > at
> >> >>> > >>> > the
> >> >>> > >>> > meeting with the director of lottery.  Again, I say, we'll
> >> see. >
> >> >>> >>> > The
> >> >>> > >>> > following link takes you to a 2002 press release.
> >> >>> > >>> > http://www.gtech.com/news/2002news/1223.asp
> >> >>> > >>> >
> >> >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> > >>> > From: "important" <eloheem11 at verizon.net>
> >> >>> > >>> > To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> > >>> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:52 PM
> >> >>> > >>> > Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
> >> >>> > >>> >
> >> >>> > >>> >
> >> >>> > >>> >> Wow, those numbers are outstanding I'm wondering what is the
> >> >
> >> >>> >>> >> customer
> >> >>> > >>> >> base
> >> >>> > >>> >> just for the lottery in comparison to other product? and do
> >> you
> >> >>> > >>> >> have
> >> >>> > >>> >> a
> >> >>> > >>> >> web
> >> >>> > >>> >> site for that accessible or talking hand held ticket
> >> verifier?
> >> >>> > >>> >> Regards
> >> >>> > >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> > >>> >> From: "Charlie Richardson" <charlieofalbany at hotmail.com>
> >> >>> > >>> >> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> > >>> >> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:42 PM
> >> >>> > >>> >> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
> >> >>> > >>> >>
> >> >>> > >>> >>
> >> >>> > >>> >>> In New York there are several, over 20, vendors who sell >
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >>> lottery
> >> >>> > >>> >>> tickets.
> >> >>> > >>> >>> Some have employees, some don't.  The issue with the
> >> terminals
> >> >>> > >>> >>> being
> >> >>> > >>> >>> accessible is being looked into as the company G-tech that
> >> is >
> >> >>> >>> >>> the
> >> >>> > >>> >>> provider has hand held talking terminals they supplied Spain
> >> >
> >> >>> >>> >>> with
> >> >>> > >>> >>> since
> >> >>> > >>> >>> the lottery business in Spain is only sold by blind people.
> >> >
> >> >>> >>> >>> The RFP
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > >>> >>> for
> >> >>> > >>> >>> their new contract is suppose to require non-visual access.
> >> >
> >> >>> >>> >>> I'll
> >> >>> > >>> >>> know
> >> >>> > >>> >>> more soon.
> >> >>> > >>> >>>
> >> >>> > >>> >>> Other than that there are no restrictions and some do
> >> believe >
> >> >>> >>> >>> since
> >> >>> > >>> >>> you
> >> >>> > >>> >>> only make 6 cents on a dollar it's not worth it, but like
> >> >>> > >>> >>> snowflakes,
> >> >>> > >>> >>> eventually it's enough to shovel and I believe the average >
> >> >>> >>> >>> agent in
> >> >>> > >>> >>> New
> >> >>> > >>> >>> York is doing between 400,000 and 500,000 per year in sales.
> >>  I
> >> >>> > >>> >>> know
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > >>> >>> of
> >> >>> > >>> >>> at least 2 in our program that do near a million a year in >
> >> >>> >>> >>> sales.
> >> >>> > >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> > >>> >>> From: "Harlon Cowsar II" <deucehc at gmail.com>
> >> >>> > >>> >>> To: <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> > >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:54 PM
> >> >>> > >>> >>> Subject: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
> >> >>> > >>> >>>
> >> >>> > >>> >>>
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> Hello,
> >> >>> > >>> >>>>
> >> >>> > >>> >>>>   I am a vender in training and was wondering if there is >
> >> >>> >>> >>>> anyone
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> out
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> there
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> who can give me some information about RS Venders and the
> >> sale
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> of
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> lottery
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> tickets. If there are any venders out there who are working
> >> in
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> states
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> that
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> participate in lotteries please try to answer some of my >
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >>>> inquiries.
> >> >>> > >>> >>>>   Are RS Venders allowed to participate as venders of
> >> lottery
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> tickets?
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> If
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> not, then why? Are there specific restrictions that
> >> proclude >
> >> >>> >>> >>>> RS
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> Venders
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> from
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> selling lottery tickets? Are there particular restrictions
> >> in
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> state
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> and
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> federal buildings that prevent the sale of lottery tickets?
> >> Do
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> most
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> venders
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> just not choose to sell lottery tickets because of > >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> difficulties
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> with
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> the
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> equipment or because it is more trouble than it is really >
> >> >>> >>> >>>> worth?
> >> >>> > >>> >>>>   I would greatly appreciate any information that anyone
> >> might
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> be
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> able
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> to
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> offer me regarding these questions.
> >> >>> > >>> >>>>
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> Thanks,
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> Harlon
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