[vendtalk] new money
Charlie Richardson
charlieofalbany at hotmail.com
Sun Feb 1 17:41:04 UTC 2009
I'd rather carry paper to the bank than coins.
----- Original Message -----
From: <jnjvend at rochester.rr.com>
To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [vendtalk] new money
> Why not have coins for the blind to use. The coins used could be
> introduced in decernable configurations. The coin acceptors may be the
> most cost effective way to modify vending equipment and as a bonus maybe
> more people would use coins.
>
> ---- Sharon Cowsar II <deucehc at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I appreciate your idea but I am not certain that it would solve the
>> problem
>> of being able to identify bills. If you punch a hole in the corner,
>> whether
>> it be a 1, 5, 10, 20, or whatever, a totally blind person would still not
>> be
>> able to distinguish between the dinominations. A totally blind person
>> cannot
>> see which is the top of the bill and which is the bottom of the bill.
>> Besides that, punching holes in the corners of the bills would damage the
>> integrity of the bill and, before long, every bill in the country would
>> be
>> missing corners.
>> In order to print Braille on the currency and have it resilient enough
>> to
>> withstand the repeated use that money is subjected to, new elements would
>> have to be added to the bills to strengthen its denier. This idea has
>> been
>> discussed but is not cost friendly to the treasury dept. Changing the
>> size
>> and shape of the money seems to be the most cost effective and convenient
>> way for the currency to be made identifiable but the cost to the venders,
>> the RS Program, and corporate America would be incredible due to the
>> changes
>> that would have to be made in vending machines, ATM machines, and any
>> other
>> device that is made to receive paper currency. Who knows, we might even
>> have
>> to redesign cash register drawers or wallets. Wouldn't that be a hoot?
>> These are all some of the ideas that made redesigning the currency a
>> bad
>> idea. The redesign and redistribution of all paper currency just isn't
>> the
>> practical, reasonable or cost effective way to resolve the problem we
>> face.I
>> appreciate that there may be some elements of discrimination involved
>> with
>> the lack of equal access to currency but I am certain that it was not an
>> intentional exclusion of the blind population and I still believe that
>> the
>> answer to this problem lies with providing the blind population with
>> quality
>> currency identifiers and other technologies that can make the situation
>> easier to navigate.
>> The costs associated with changing the currency and redistributing it
>> nationwide would pay for currency identifiers for the blind of the US
>> many
>> times over. I do agree that money is not currently accessible without
>> adequate technological assistance but this is one of the circumstances
>> where
>> I believe that it is up to the blind population to adapt and overcome;
>> find
>> new ways to deal with the existing situation and move beyond it to deal
>> with
>> other more pressing issues such as Braille literacy and the present
>> unemployment rate among the blind community.
>> Have a nice day and thank you for the exchange of opinions I enjoy
>> discussing the issues that we face and I hope that the
>> continuing discussions of ideas will lead to solutions to the problems
>> that
>> we face as blind and visually impaired people.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Lou Burton <lburton at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> > A very simple way to change the money could be done without changing
>> > size
>> > or shape, and would also not fiddle with vending machine access.
>> >
>> > Take a bill, lay it down face up, diagonally cut the upper right corner
>> > at
>> > a 45 degree angle, this orients the bill.
>> > A five would have a hole punched in the upper left hand corner, a ten
>> > would
>> > have a hole punched in the lower left corner, a 20 would have a hole
>> > punched
>> > in the lower right corner;
>> > a fifty would have holes punched in both upper left and lower left as
>> > five
>> > tens equaling 50, and a one hundred would have holes punched in the
>> > upper
>> > left and lower right as in 5 20s equaling 100, and of course the one
>> > would
>> > only have the orienting 45 degree cut in the upper right corner.
>> >
>> > Exsisting currency could be modified at the treasury as bills go
>> > through
>> > circulation, that is as the banks send them in for deposits with the
>> > feds,
>> > and all new currency could be modified when made, and before long, all
>> > the
>> > bills in circulation would be of the new modifications.
>> >
>> > And just think, we would not have to hire some one to format the darn
>> > bills
>> > for deposit with our banks.
>> >
>> > Being a vendor myself, i don't think that these modifications would
>> > bother
>> > the bill validaters at all.
>> >
>> > What yall think?
>> > At 07, 21 1/30/2009, you wrote:
>> >
>> >> This is a very interesting subject for many reasons but, forgoing any
>> >> other
>> >> talk about discrimination or equal access, it does present many
>> >> complex
>> >> problems.
>> >> Just consider for a moment the cost that this kind of currency
>> >> change
>> >> might burden venders or the RS Program with. What about the vending
>> >> machines? If the size or shape of the currency is changed to
>> >> accomodate
>> >> the
>> >> blind in the community, then all of the vending machines have to be
>> >> modified
>> >> to accept these new bills. If the machines are not modified, then
>> >> venders
>> >> stand the chance of losing income because patrons might not have
>> >> correct
>> >> change and might, therefore, not have access to the vending machines.
>> >> In any case, I think that this is a very long way away. Even if the
>> >> treasury does decide that it would be appropriate to change the
>> >> currency,
>> >> then they have a great deal of work to do in replacing the currency
>> >> that
>> >> now
>> >> exists. The cost of doing this would be incredible and it would
>> >> probably
>> >> take many years to gradually filter the old money out and the new
>> >> money
>> >> in.
>> >> My best advice is to buy a currency identifier, sit back, and enjoy
>> >> the
>> >> show.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Charlie Richardson <
>> >> charlieofalbany at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > This could happen, but in all vending facilities, or at least it
>> >> > could
>> >> or
>> >> > should be, a note teller in them. That way you know what currency
>> >> people
>> >> > are handing you. There is also a certain amount of trust in our
>> >> customers
>> >> > as this is a bit different from businesses on the street. I see the
>> >> same
>> >> > customer sometime 4 or 5 times a day. So we are more a part of a
>> >> community.
>> >> > So the chances of cheating are less.
>> >> >
>> >> > As far as the lawsuit, the Department of the Treasury lost their
>> >> > case
>> >> last
>> >> > May and I have not heard of another appeal, so they are probably in
>> >> process
>> >> > of looking into an acceptable change of currency that will work for
>> >> > businesses and the blind that brought the lawsuit.
>> >> >
>> >> > I think the NFB's position has been misunderstood as it is in many
>> >> > other
>> >> > cases. I have seen quotes and was quoted myself by Associated Press
>> >> that
>> >> > the change isn't the problem, but the fact that it was brought on as
>> >> > a
>> >> > discrimination case. My opinion would be that blind people being
>> >> > denied
>> >> the
>> >> > use of money would be discrimination. One of the judges was quoted
>> >> > as
>> >> > saying, just because the blind can use money is like saying a person
>> >> using a
>> >> > wheelchair can drag themselves and their chair up stairs rather than
>> >> using a
>> >> > ramp. This is like comparing apples to oranges.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyway, arguing about it solves nothing because the case hasn't been
>> >> > appealed as far as I know.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "cheryl echevarria" <
>> >> > cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> >> > To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:52 PM
>> >> > Subject: [vendtalk] new money
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I have a question, one day this week a new tv was on I don't watch
>> >> > it
>> >> >> but the others at work have. The show is called what would you do.
>> >> and in
>> >> >> a segment, had an actor blinding a blind person who was buying
>> >> something in
>> >> >> a bakery and the merchant purposely who was also another action
>> >> >> cheat
>> >> the
>> >> >> blind person, to see if people would react it the situation and
>> >> >> help
>> >> the
>> >> >> blind person out. To me we go shopping at the time without any
>> >> >> help
>> >> like
>> >> >> myself and if I am going to a merchant that I go to all the time, I
>> >> usually
>> >> >> don't worry about it. And I don't think they should have done this
>> >> >> anything.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But it was brought up again that the federal government is changing
>> >> >> our
>> >> >> money. I mentioned again to the people at work who I was having a
>> >> >> conversation with that first of all I am my NFB family, just look
>> >> >> at
>> >> >> blindness as a nusuance. But they started insisting that we should
>> >> fight to
>> >> >> get money that we can use. I said why, we have been using money
>> >> >> since
>> >> it
>> >> >> has been created now. They kept insisting that is happening now.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is this true that the government is changing I haven't heard
>> >> >> nothing
>> >> was
>> >> >> posted on the lists or in the braille monitor.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I want to show these people who are the ones that they now what is
>> >> >> best
>> >> >> for blind people what is going on if there is any updates.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cheryl Echevarria
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews"
>> >> >> <dandrews at visi.com>
>> >> >> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:30 PM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Kevan:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> You wrote "the Worley Blind Union." Is that a "Freudian
>> >> >>> slip???!!!"
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Dave
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> At 10:07 AM 1/27/2009, you wrote:
>> >> >>> >Greetings colleagues,
>> >> >>> >I have enjoyed the back and forth relative to lottery. Well, most
>> >> >>> >of
>> >> it.
>> >> >>> >It
>> >> >>> >would be really good if we could keep our eyes on the prize here.
>> >> >>> >I
>> >> >>> >think
>> >> >>> >that, given the interest I've seen on the list, as well as from
>> >> >>> >some
>> >> of
>> >> >>> >the
>> >> >>> >calls I've received, the National Association of Blind Merchants
>> >> should
>> >> >>> >work
>> >> >>> >with some folks and explore the very best way we can access
>> >> >>> >lottery
>> >> >>> >technologies. Dr. Maurer and Dr. Schroeder are very active at the
>> >> >>> >highest
>> >> >>> >levels of the Worley Blind Union. I will ask them to investigate
>> >> >>> >what
>> >> >>> >the
>> >> >>> >Ansai folks are doing in Spain. I know that Charlie Richardson is
>> >> >>> >continuing
>> >> >>> >his follow up. Perhaps we can have a full report on options and
>> >> >>> >possibilities at the upcoming BLAST conference. I'll put some
>> >> >>> >effort
>> >> >>> >into
>> >> >>> >this. If you have comments, alternative techniques, and data to
>> >> share,
>> >> >>> >please be in touch with me.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >>> >From: vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:
>> >> vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >> >>> >On
>> >> >>> >Behalf Of Charlie Richardson
>> >> >>> >Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:03 PM
>> >> >>> >To: Vendor Talk Mailing List
>> >> >>> >Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >Then why are you continuing it here?
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>> >From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
>> >> >>> >To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >>> >Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:04 PM
>> >> >>> >Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > > Tha's just it. He really does not. But that is a topic for
>> >> another
>> >> >>> > > list.
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > > Loren Wakefield
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > > "The best way to predict your Future is to create it." Dr.
>> >> >>> > > Forress
>> >> C.
>> >> >>> > > Shaklee
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > > www.ultimatehealthwithtlc.com
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > > 319-433-0145 866-433-3969
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>> > > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> >> >>> > > To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >>> > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:36 AM
>> >> >>> > > Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > >> What does that have to do with anything and he admits he is
>> >> legally
>> >> >>> > >> blind.
>> >> >>> > >>
>> >> >>> > >> Cheryl Echevarria
>> >> >>> > >>
>> >> >>> > >>
>> >> >>> > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>> > >> From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
>> >> >>> > >> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >>> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 12:35 AM
>> >> >>> > >> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> >> >>> > >>
>> >> >>> > >>
>> >> >>> > >>> The Governor has to admit to being blind first.
>> >> >>> > >>>
>> >> >>> > >>>
>> >> >>> > >>> Loren Wakefield
>> >> >>> > >>>
>> >> >>> > >>> "The best way to predict your Future is to create it." Dr.
>> >> Forress
>> >> >>> > >>> C.
>> >> >>> > >>> Shaklee
>> >> >>> > >>>
>> >> >>> > >>> www.ultimatehealthwithtlc.com
>> >> >>> > >>>
>> >> >>> > >>> 319-433-0145 866-433-3969
>> >> >>> > >>>
>> >> >>> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>> > >>> From: "Charlie Richardson" <charlieofalbany at hotmail.com>
>> >> >>> > >>> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >>> > >>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:42 PM
>> >> >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> >> >>> > >>>
>> >> >>> > >>>
>> >> >>> > >>> > It's not a talking verifier, but a talking handheld
>> >> >>> > >>> > terminal.
>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>> > When I
>> >> >>> > >>> > showed
>> >> >>> > >>> > this story from G-Tech's website to our state senator who
>> >> >>> > >>> > is
>> >> the
>> >> >>> > >>> > chair
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > >>> > of
>> >> >>> > >>> > the racing and wagering committee, he wondered why a small
>> >> >>> > >>> > >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> > country
>> >> >>> > >>> > like
>> >> >>> > >>> > Spain is using this technology when no one in the U.S. is.
>> >> >>> > >>> > In
>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>> > short
>> >> >>> > >>> > it
>> >> >>> > >>> > seems like no one asked the right person, hopefully by
>> >> >>> > >>> > having
>> >> a >
>> >> >>> >>> > blind
>> >> >>> > >>> > governor in New York has brought awareness. This fact was
>> >> >>> > >>> > >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> > brought up
>> >> >>> > >>> > at
>> >> >>> > >>> > the
>> >> >>> > >>> > meeting with the director of lottery. Again, I say, we'll
>> >> see. >
>> >> >>> >>> > The
>> >> >>> > >>> > following link takes you to a 2002 press release.
>> >> >>> > >>> > http://www.gtech.com/news/2002news/1223.asp
>> >> >>> > >>> >
>> >> >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>> > >>> > From: "important" <eloheem11 at verizon.net>
>> >> >>> > >>> > To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >>> > >>> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:52 PM
>> >> >>> > >>> > Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> >> >>> > >>> >
>> >> >>> > >>> >
>> >> >>> > >>> >> Wow, those numbers are outstanding I'm wondering what is
>> >> >>> > >>> >> the
>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>> >> customer
>> >> >>> > >>> >> base
>> >> >>> > >>> >> just for the lottery in comparison to other product? and
>> >> >>> > >>> >> do
>> >> you
>> >> >>> > >>> >> have
>> >> >>> > >>> >> a
>> >> >>> > >>> >> web
>> >> >>> > >>> >> site for that accessible or talking hand held ticket
>> >> verifier?
>> >> >>> > >>> >> Regards
>> >> >>> > >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>> > >>> >> From: "Charlie Richardson" <charlieofalbany at hotmail.com>
>> >> >>> > >>> >> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >>> > >>> >> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:42 PM
>> >> >>> > >>> >> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> >> >>> > >>> >>
>> >> >>> > >>> >>
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> In New York there are several, over 20, vendors who sell
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> lottery
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> tickets.
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> Some have employees, some don't. The issue with the
>> >> terminals
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> being
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> accessible is being looked into as the company G-tech
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> that
>> >> is >
>> >> >>> >>> >>> the
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> provider has hand held talking terminals they supplied
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> Spain
>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>> >>> with
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> since
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> the lottery business in Spain is only sold by blind
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> people.
>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>> >>> The RFP
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> for
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> their new contract is suppose to require non-visual
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> access.
>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>> >>> I'll
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> know
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> more soon.
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> Other than that there are no restrictions and some do
>> >> believe >
>> >> >>> >>> >>> since
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> you
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> only make 6 cents on a dollar it's not worth it, but
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> like
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> snowflakes,
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> eventually it's enough to shovel and I believe the
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> average >
>> >> >>> >>> >>> agent in
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> New
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> York is doing between 400,000 and 500,000 per year in
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> sales.
>> >> I
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> know
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> of
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> at least 2 in our program that do near a million a year
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> in >
>> >> >>> >>> >>> sales.
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> From: "Harlon Cowsar II" <deucehc at gmail.com>
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> To: <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:54 PM
>> >> >>> > >>> >>> Subject: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> Hello,
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> I am a vender in training and was wondering if there
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> is >
>> >> >>> >>> >>>> anyone
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> out
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> there
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> who can give me some information about RS Venders and
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> the
>> >> sale
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> of
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> lottery
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> tickets. If there are any venders out there who are
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> working
>> >> in
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> states
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> that
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> participate in lotteries please try to answer some of
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> my >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>> inquiries.
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> Are RS Venders allowed to participate as venders of
>> >> lottery
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> tickets?
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> If
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> not, then why? Are there specific restrictions that
>> >> proclude >
>> >> >>> >>> >>>> RS
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> Venders
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> from
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> selling lottery tickets? Are there particular
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> restrictions
>> >> in
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> state
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> and
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> federal buildings that prevent the sale of lottery
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> tickets?
>> >> Do
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> most
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> venders
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> just not choose to sell lottery tickets because of >
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> >>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>> difficulties
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> with
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> the
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> equipment or because it is more trouble than it is
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> really >
>> >> >>> >>> >>>> worth?
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> I would greatly appreciate any information that
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> anyone
>> >> might
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> be
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> able
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> to
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> offer me regarding these questions.
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> Harlon
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>> >> >>> >Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1918 - Release Date:
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>> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>> >> signature database 3812 (20090130) __________
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