[vendtalk] new money

Charlie Richardson charlieofalbany at hotmail.com
Fri Jan 30 01:51:16 UTC 2009 

This could happen, but in all vending facilities, or at least it could or 
should be, a note teller in them.  That way you know what currency people 
are handing you.  There is also a certain amount of trust in our customers 
as this is a bit different from businesses on the street.  I see the same 
customer sometime 4 or 5 times a day.  So we are more a part of a community. 
So the chances of cheating are less.

As far as the lawsuit, the Department of the Treasury lost their case last 
May and I have not heard of another appeal, so they are probably in process 
of looking into an acceptable change of currency that will work for 
businesses and the blind that brought the lawsuit.

I think the NFB's position has been misunderstood as it is in many other 
cases.  I have seen quotes and was quoted myself by Associated Press that 
the change isn't the problem, but the fact that it was brought on as a 
discrimination case.  My opinion would be that blind people being denied the 
use of money would be discrimination.  One of the judges was quoted as 
saying, just because the blind can use money is like saying a person using a 
wheelchair can drag themselves and their chair up stairs rather than using a 
ramp.  This is like comparing apples to oranges.

Anyway, arguing about it solves nothing because the case hasn't been 
appealed as far as I know.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:52 PM
Subject: [vendtalk] new money


>I have a question, one day this week a new tv was on I don't watch it but 
>the others at work have.  The show is called what would you do.  and in a 
>segment, had an actor blinding a blind person who was buying something in a 
>bakery and the merchant purposely who was also another action cheat the 
>blind person, to see if people would react it the situation and help the 
>blind person out.  To me we go shopping at the time without any help like 
>myself and if I am going to a merchant that I go to all the time, I usually 
>don't worry about it.  And I don't think they should have done this 
>anything.
>
> But it was brought up again that the federal government is changing our 
> money.  I mentioned again to the people at work who I was having a 
> conversation with that first of all I am my NFB family, just look at 
> blindness as a nusuance.  But they started insisting that we should fight 
> to get money that we can use.  I said why, we have been using money since 
> it has been created now.  They kept insisting that is happening now.
>
> Is this true that the government is changing I haven't heard nothing was 
> posted on the lists or in the braille monitor.
>
> I want to show these people who are the ones that they now what is best 
> for blind people what is going on if there is any updates.
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>
>
>> Kevan:
>>
>> You wrote "the Worley Blind Union."  Is that a "Freudian slip???!!!"
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 10:07 AM 1/27/2009, you wrote:
>> >Greetings colleagues,
>> >I have enjoyed the back and forth relative to lottery. Well, most of it. 
>> >It
>> >would be really good if we could keep our eyes on the prize here. I 
>> >think
>> >that, given the interest I've seen on the list, as well as from some of 
>> >the
>> >calls I've received, the National Association of Blind Merchants should 
>> >work
>> >with some folks and explore the very best way we can access lottery
>> >technologies. Dr. Maurer and Dr. Schroeder are very active at the 
>> >highest
>> >levels of the Worley Blind Union. I will ask them to investigate what 
>> >the
>> >Ansai folks are doing in Spain. I know that Charlie Richardson is 
>> >continuing
>> >his follow up. Perhaps we can have a full report on options and
>> >possibilities at the upcoming BLAST conference. I'll put some effort 
>> >into
>> >this. If you have comments, alternative techniques, and data to share,
>> >please be in touch with me.
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>> >On
>> >Behalf Of Charlie Richardson
>> >Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:03 PM
>> >To: Vendor Talk Mailing List
>> >Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> >
>> >Then why are you continuing it here?
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
>> >To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> >Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:04 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> >
>> >
>> > > Tha's just it.  He really does not.  But that is a topic for another 
>> > > list.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Loren Wakefield
>> > >
>> > > "The best way to predict your Future is to create it." Dr. Forress C.
>> > > Shaklee
>> > >
>> > > www.ultimatehealthwithtlc.com
>> > >
>> > > 319-433-0145 866-433-3969
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> > > To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:36 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> What does that have to do with anything and he admits he is legally
>> > >> blind.
>> > >>
>> > >> Cheryl Echevarria
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> > >> From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
>> > >> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 12:35 AM
>> > >> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>> The Governor has to admit to being blind first.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Loren Wakefield
>> > >>>
>> > >>> "The best way to predict your Future is to create it." Dr. Forress 
>> > >>> C.
>> > >>> Shaklee
>> > >>>
>> > >>> www.ultimatehealthwithtlc.com
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 319-433-0145 866-433-3969
>> > >>>
>> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > >>> From: "Charlie Richardson" <charlieofalbany at hotmail.com>
>> > >>> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> > >>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:42 PM
>> > >>> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > It's not a talking verifier, but a talking handheld terminal. 
>> > >>> > When I
>> > >>> > showed
>> > >>> > this story from G-Tech's website to our state senator who is the 
>> > >>> > chair
>> >
>> > >>> > of
>> > >>> > the racing and wagering committee, he wondered why a small 
>> > >>> > country
>> > >>> > like
>> > >>> > Spain is using this technology when no one in the U.S. is.  In 
>> > >>> > short
>> > >>> > it
>> > >>> > seems like no one asked the right person, hopefully by having a 
>> > >>> > blind
>> > >>> > governor in New York has brought awareness.  This fact was 
>> > >>> > brought up
>> > >>> > at
>> > >>> > the
>> > >>> > meeting with the director of lottery.  Again, I say, we'll see. 
>> > >>> > The
>> > >>> > following link takes you to a 2002 press release.
>> > >>> > http://www.gtech.com/news/2002news/1223.asp
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > >>> > From: "important" <eloheem11 at verizon.net>
>> > >>> > To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> > >>> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:52 PM
>> > >>> > Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >> Wow, those numbers are outstanding I'm wondering what is the 
>> > >>> >> customer
>> > >>> >> base
>> > >>> >> just for the lottery in comparison to other product? and do you 
>> > >>> >> have
>> > >>> >> a
>> > >>> >> web
>> > >>> >> site for that accessible or talking hand held ticket verifier?
>> > >>> >> Regards
>> > >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> > >>> >> From: "Charlie Richardson" <charlieofalbany at hotmail.com>
>> > >>> >> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> > >>> >> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:42 PM
>> > >>> >> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> In New York there are several, over 20, vendors who sell 
>> > >>> >>> lottery
>> > >>> >>> tickets.
>> > >>> >>> Some have employees, some don't.  The issue with the terminals 
>> > >>> >>> being
>> > >>> >>> accessible is being looked into as the company G-tech that is 
>> > >>> >>> the
>> > >>> >>> provider has hand held talking terminals they supplied Spain 
>> > >>> >>> with
>> > >>> >>> since
>> > >>> >>> the lottery business in Spain is only sold by blind people. 
>> > >>> >>> The RFP
>> >
>> > >>> >>> for
>> > >>> >>> their new contract is suppose to require non-visual access. 
>> > >>> >>> I'll
>> > >>> >>> know
>> > >>> >>> more soon.
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> Other than that there are no restrictions and some do believe 
>> > >>> >>> since
>> > >>> >>> you
>> > >>> >>> only make 6 cents on a dollar it's not worth it, but like
>> > >>> >>> snowflakes,
>> > >>> >>> eventually it's enough to shovel and I believe the average 
>> > >>> >>> agent in
>> > >>> >>> New
>> > >>> >>> York is doing between 400,000 and 500,000 per year in sales.  I 
>> > >>> >>> know
>> >
>> > >>> >>> of
>> > >>> >>> at least 2 in our program that do near a million a year in 
>> > >>> >>> sales.
>> > >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > >>> >>> From: "Harlon Cowsar II" <deucehc at gmail.com>
>> > >>> >>> To: <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>> > >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:54 PM
>> > >>> >>> Subject: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>>> Hello,
>> > >>> >>>>
>> > >>> >>>>   I am a vender in training and was wondering if there is 
>> > >>> >>>> anyone
>> > >>> >>>> out
>> > >>> >>>> there
>> > >>> >>>> who can give me some information about RS Venders and the sale 
>> > >>> >>>> of
>> > >>> >>>> lottery
>> > >>> >>>> tickets. If there are any venders out there who are working in
>> > >>> >>>> states
>> > >>> >>>> that
>> > >>> >>>> participate in lotteries please try to answer some of my 
>> > >>> >>>> inquiries.
>> > >>> >>>>   Are RS Venders allowed to participate as venders of lottery
>> > >>> >>>> tickets?
>> > >>> >>>> If
>> > >>> >>>> not, then why? Are there specific restrictions that proclude 
>> > >>> >>>> RS
>> > >>> >>>> Venders
>> > >>> >>>> from
>> > >>> >>>> selling lottery tickets? Are there particular restrictions in 
>> > >>> >>>> state
>> >
>> > >>> >>>> and
>> > >>> >>>> federal buildings that prevent the sale of lottery tickets? Do 
>> > >>> >>>> most
>> > >>> >>>> venders
>> > >>> >>>> just not choose to sell lottery tickets because of 
>> > >>> >>>> difficulties
>> > >>> >>>> with
>> > >>> >>>> the
>> > >>> >>>> equipment or because it is more trouble than it is really 
>> > >>> >>>> worth?
>> > >>> >>>>   I would greatly appreciate any information that anyone might 
>> > >>> >>>> be
>> > >>> >>>> able
>> > >>> >>>> to
>> > >>> >>>> offer me regarding these questions.
>> > >>> >>>>
>> > >>> >>>> Thanks,
>> > >>> >>>> Harlon
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