[vendtalk] Why I asked is...

HackneyCharles at aol.com HackneyCharles at aol.com
Sun Jun 20 11:45:17 UTC 2010

Thanks for everyone's perspective.  
Charles Hackney
In a message dated 6/19/2010 4:24:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
VANDERVOORTS at sbcglobal.net writes:

Cans  versus bottles -

Consumers should make the package decision, if at all  possible.  I offer
both cans and bottles in most every location - due  to historical reasons.  
have not seen a reason except one to take  out the can machine.  It is great
backup if nothing else!   

If is not an "either or" decision for me or my customers.  If I  could, I
would add a small glass front to many of locations for odd size  drinks to
expand the offering and yet maintain the  somewhat reliable  old bottle drop
machine along with the can machine.  I do not want to  do all things in a
single machine - service is too hard to get here if  there is anything
seriously wrong with the machine.   My glass  front experience to date makes
me wary of them and that is also true due to  a scarcity of their parts in
the local area. 

By and large, the bulk  of my can sales are in prison visitation because 
were deemed by  someone to be the way to go, probably due to aluminum scrap
sales.  At  another prison I know of, 100% bottles only were decided by the
local  warden.  Regardless, the officers at all of the prisons appreciate  
opportunity and selection when cans, bottles, and glass front machines  are
offered to them.  By the way, some officers prefer to slug a 12 oz  down and
others like to sip and seal.  Security considerations have  also impacted
upon the decisions regarding bottles due to ongoing  contraband cell phone
issues between officers and inmates.   

Some locations of mine do have a "no open container" at their  workstation.
A few locations also have a "no glass bottle" policy as well.  

In non-prison locations, there is nothing to suggest that 100% cans  are the
right direction. 

Pepsi and Coke want 3rd party vendors to  move to 20 oz bottles in vending
because they make more money with that  package than with cans.  They can
also control the outlets  better.  Cans are far more competitive and there
are a number of other  brand manufacturers that put out competitive 
product that  customers want.  Competition brings about competitive pricing
and it  is not hard to use a lower price strategy to compete with Coke  
universally available aluminum cans.   I have been told  that some of the
small bottlers do not want to go to bottles exclusively  due to where they
sell and to whom they sell.  Also, the bottled cost  for the small guy is a
lot higher, full stream, cutting into their profit  margins.  Don't really
know, though.

As you may know, some  vending agreements bar the use of 16.9 oz bottles in
vendors and leave that  size to the super markets and what not.  That might
be the right  direction for health conscience sales rather than go back to
only  cans.

By the way, at roadside, can drinkers often buy, drink, throw the  empty 
and drive while bottle drinkers usually buy and drive off.   Those with kids
most often buy bottles for obvious reasons, as do the  truckers.

Mike  Vandervoort

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