[blindkid] Awesome!

Penny Duffy pennyduffy at gmail.com
Fri Jun 17 17:54:47 UTC 2011


Thats because Josey IS amazing but that's because she is an amazing role
model.  (he he My daughter know Josey and she means a huge deal to her)

Most people mean well.  I also think since so many people aren't use to see
a blind person much less a blind child they don't know how to react. I know
I have had to work on this myself.  Its amazing what training and expose can
do for anyone.

 I have struggled with this with family more then strangers.  I don't think
my family understand the orientation and mobility and its tools. The family
have done a poor time encouraging my daughter to use her cane. I make her
use it even when sometimes she maybe not 'need' it. She need the practice.
 This has been a huge issue for us. They see her moving about not using her
cane and say "see she doesn't need it" I see it as a missed chance for
practice.

-Penny


On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:16 PM, lucy <gingerlocket at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Hi, My daughters has been Blind since birth, she is now 10.
> Teachers/Specialists seem to know not to make a HUGE issue out of her
> successfully completing a Mobility skill, ECT and commend her just like they
> would a child learning any independence skill. But, the general public?! In
> my experience, Yes they do get excited and have a look of OMG! WOW! on their
> faces and sometimes overly exaggerate a simple skill well done. I simply
> have Josey say, Thank You. And, thank them too. It's not a big deal, a lot
> are just curious and it's great to interact with the public, educate them
> and make them aware that simple independent skills are a normal part of
> daily living!! - Lucy
>
>
>
>
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> >    1. Awesome! (Carly B)
> >    2. Re: Awesome! (Penny Duffy)
> >    3. Re: Awesome! (Richard Holloway)
> >    4. Re: Awesome! (Carrie Gilmer)
> >    5. PBS Station Frustration (Richard Holloway)
> >    6. Re: PBS Station Frustration (Penny Duffy)
> >    7. Re: PBS Station Frustration (Richard Holloway)
> >    8. blind vs deaf population (Richard Holloway)
> >    9. Re: PBS Station Frustration (Penny Duffy)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:30:30 -0500
> > From: Carly B <barnesraiser at gmail.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,   (for parents of blind children)"
> >       <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [blindkid] Awesome!
> > Message-ID: <BANLkTi=zn_nCzAkNXznhpoup1e+8Tf6HeA at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Hi! I've been meaning to post this question for some time: what do you
> say
> > to the well-meaning, kind-hearted, but clueless person who exclaims,
> "WOW!
> > That's AMAZING!" when your child walks up or down a set of stairs (or
> some
> > other perfectly ordinary thing)? Do you just smile and let it go? Talk to
> > your child afterwards? Is there an opportunity for education with a quick
> > and to-the-point comment?
> >
> > I'm just wondering what you do/say.
> >
> > Thanks for any helpful advice you may have!
> >
> > :) Carolynn Barnes
> > (aka Brian's mom)
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:04:40 -0400
> > From: Penny Duffy <pennyduffy at gmail.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,   (for parents of blind children)"
> >       <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [blindkid] Awesome!
> > Message-ID: <BANLkTi=t0AO_faiVGw51f2M-6jfaKX9rAg at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > I say wow when a child uses great mobility skills but I say it for a
> whole
> > different reason then the person in the example is. (I am a big
> cheerleader
> > for my daughter its hard to modivate her sometimes LOL)  LOL.  I try and
> > brush those kinds of things off. I may respond that  all it all takes is
> > proper training.  People really think that that suffer from blindness are
> > helpless.  Your child did expand the person realization what the blind
> can
> > do.  Its one person at a time.
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Carly B <barnesraiser at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi! I've been meaning to post this question for some time: what do you
> say
> > > to the well-meaning, kind-hearted, but clueless person who exclaims,
> "WOW!
> > > That's AMAZING!" when your child walks up or down a set of stairs (or
> some
> > > other perfectly ordinary thing)? Do you just smile and let it go? Talk
> to
> > > your child afterwards? Is there an opportunity for education with a
> quick
> > > and to-the-point comment?
> > >
> > > I'm just wondering what you do/say.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any helpful advice you may have!
> > >
> > > :) Carolynn Barnes
> > > (aka Brian's mom)
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > --Penny
> > ----------
> > Adventures with Abby - visionfora.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:07:48 -0400
> > From: Richard Holloway <rholloway at gopbc.org>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,   \(for parents of blind children\)"
> >       <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [blindkid] Awesome!
> > Message-ID: <611DC719-1D81-4035-8DCB-4B1097178E16 at gopbc.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > We get that a good bit as well. I agree it is a case by case thing. When
> there is a reasonable way to point it out without making a "situation" of
> it, I like to explain that my daughter is just like most kids and she does
> pretty much the same things, she just does things with slightly different
> skills than some other children.
> >
> >       -RH
> >
> >
> > On Jun 16, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Carly B wrote:
> >
> > > Hi! I've been meaning to post this question for some time: what do you
> say
> > > to the well-meaning, kind-hearted, but clueless person who exclaims,
> "WOW!
> > > That's AMAZING!" when your child walks up or down a set of stairs (or
> some
> > > other perfectly ordinary thing)? Do you just smile and let it go? Talk
> to
> > > your child afterwards? Is there an opportunity for education with a
> quick
> > > and to-the-point comment?
> > >
> > > I'm just wondering what you do/say.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any helpful advice you may have!
> > >
> > > :) Carolynn Barnes
> > > (aka Brian's mom)
> > > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:14:15 -0500
> > From: "Carrie Gilmer" <carrie.gilmer at gmail.com>
> > To: "'NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,  \(for parents of blind
> >       children\)'" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [blindkid] Awesome!
> > Message-ID: <4dfa9c69.8d3ee70a.5f22.3565 at mx.google.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Hi Carolynn :),
> > What you describe is in a nutshell why we say that the biggest "problems"
> > are not from amount of eyesight. Yes sometimes you do smile and "let it
> go",
> > sometimes it's the fifth time after other ignorance is shown and one
> snaps a
> > bit (or in truth, a lot, lol). I have found that it is rare the
> opportunity
> > to both have the time to teach in a situation AND have a person who TRULY
> > wants to learn. And you can typically think that a person will have often
> > some epiphany and understand all from one (or even a dozen encounters);
> some
> > NEVER get it, some get it like in an epiphany all at once (like YOU).
> Most
> > just get embarrassed, or truly don't get it and no matter how nice you
> say
> > anything they think YOU have the problem. Pretty much everyone likes to
> > think they have no ignorance or prejudice :).
> > At times I have returned with a question, "WHY do you think it is
> > amazing?"...and in trying to answer they see that they thought it was
> super
> > hard (for example) to go on stairs with poor or no vision...and some
> times
> > there has been time to elaborate on how they likely already do things
> > themselves...things they know by touch...
> > What I do do--ALWAYS if my child heard it...is to discuss with him. Our
> > children must learn to decipher and pick up on low expectations. What if
> > this was said during/just before or after a job interview? They need to
> > understand when and who says things like this might be more important.
> And
> > they need to learn to live with this and respond-or not-without being
> angry
> > or always assuming...Its a tricky deal. And stuff like this unfortunately
> > happens everyday, every day to blind adults moving about alone in the big
> > world.
> > We need some phone time lady :).
> > Always,
> > Carrie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Carly B
> > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 1:31 PM
> > To: NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)
> > Subject: [blindkid] Awesome!
> >
> > Hi! I've been meaning to post this question for some time: what do you
> say
> > to the well-meaning, kind-hearted, but clueless person who exclaims,
> "WOW!
> > That's AMAZING!" when your child walks up or down a set of stairs (or
> some
> > other perfectly ordinary thing)? Do you just smile and let it go? Talk to
> > your child afterwards? Is there an opportunity for education with a quick
> > and to-the-point comment?
> >
> > I'm just wondering what you do/say.
> >
> > Thanks for any helpful advice you may have!
> >
> > :) Carolynn Barnes
> > (aka Brian's mom)
> > _______________________________________________
> > blindkid mailing list
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> > ail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 03:56:07 -0400
> > From: Richard Holloway <rholloway at gopbc.org>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,   (for parents of blind children)"
> >       <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [blindkid] PBS Station Frustration
> > Message-ID: <12C1278E-EBCA-48E6-B81B-6CEF735A16CC at gopbc.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;     charset=windows-1252
> >
> > Could anyone who is finding DVS (audio described) programming on their
> local PBS affiliate please email me (on or off list) and help me determine
> at least what PBS affiliates / cities are actually broadcasting with DVS?
> (Or if you are trying but can't find it on your local affiliate that would
> be good to know as well.)
> >
> > I finally got an answer about the "technical problems" with DVS in
> Georgia from PBS. I learned today that Georgia Public Broadcasting (GPB)
> simply turned off their DVS feeds for programming a while back. According to
> the General Manager of GPB,  they "ran into a significant amount of
> confusion among viewers who received it, didn?t want it, and didn?t know how
> to turn it off..." so they "...eventually abandoned the practice of
> delivering DVS."
> >
> > I'd really like to get a sense of whether this something that happened
> mainly here in Georgia or of this is more widespread. I find it pretty
> frustrating that their main concern is apparently the time and effort spent
> by their engineers telling people who don't want DVS how to turn it off.
> >
> > I am told they may look back into offering this again now that the
> delivery is different (over digital TV), but first they need to determine
> "...what the likely impact would be for viewers who don?t want it." Sounds
> like they got very little response from people who wanted DVS when they
> turned it off, but I think that is probably because so few potential users
> were even aware the service had been offered.
> >
> > Your feedback here on the list or directly would be really appreciated. I
> would very much like to get DVS running here in Georgia on PBS again and if
> this problem is widespread, to start addressing this on more of a national
> level. As much as my daughter appreciated the DVS programs, I can't imagine
> there would not me a lot more kids and adults who would benefit from
> increased numbers of shows being broadcast with audio descriptions...
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Richard
> > rholloway at gopbc.org
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:47:42 -0400
> > From: Penny Duffy <pennyduffy at gmail.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,   (for parents of blind children)"
> >       <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [blindkid] PBS Station Frustration
> > Message-ID: <BANLkTim=eF-qx0exgObCiLcvg1uz9Fdrkg at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> >
> > Richard,
> >
> > I still haven't gotten it to work on my end. I have shows that are label
> dvs
> > and I thought I turned it on at my cable box. Still nothing. I think one
> of
> > the biggest issues with dvs is there is NO standard yet. Close captioning
> > has had a standard for years.
> >
> > Are you going to the convention Richard? Maybe we can talk about it.
> > Regardless I am really interested and I imagine we can figure it out LOL.
> > When we get it all figured out maybe we can write something up for other
> > parents.
> >
> > I have found that when the transition to digital happened that
> > many channels lost the way the used to do it and there is a lot of
> > confusion.
> >
> > --
> > --Penny
> > ----------
> > Adventures with Abby - visionfora.blogspot.com
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:56 AM, Richard Holloway <rholloway at gopbc.org
> >wrote:
> >
> > > Could anyone who is finding DVS (audio described) programming on their
> > > local PBS affiliate please email me (on or off list) and help me
> determine
> > > at least what PBS affiliates / cities are actually broadcasting with
> DVS?
> > > (Or if you are trying but can't find it on your local affiliate that
> would
> > > be good to know as well.)
> > >
> > > I finally got an answer about the "technical problems" with DVS in
> Georgia
> > > from PBS. I learned today that Georgia Public Broadcasting (GPB) simply
> > > turned off their DVS feeds for programming a while back. According to
> the
> > > General Manager of GPB,  they "ran into a significant amount of
> confusion
> > > among viewers who received it, didn?t want it, and didn?t know how to
> turn
> > > it off..." so they "...eventually abandoned the practice of delivering
> DVS."
> > >
> > > I'd really like to get a sense of whether this something that happened
> > > mainly here in Georgia or of this is more widespread. I find it pretty
> > > frustrating that their main concern is apparently the time and effort
> spent
> > > by their engineers telling people who don't want DVS how to turn it
> off.
> > >
> > > I am told they may look back into offering this again now that the
> delivery
> > > is different (over digital TV), but first they need to determine
> "...what
> > > the likely impact would be for viewers who don?t want it." Sounds like
> they
> > > got very little response from people who wanted DVS when they turned it
> off,
> > > but I think that is probably because so few potential users were even
> aware
> > > the service had been offered.
> > >
> > > Your feedback here on the list or directly would be really appreciated.
> I
> > > would very much like to get DVS running here in Georgia on PBS again
> and if
> > > this problem is widespread, to start addressing this on more of a
> national
> > > level. As much as my daughter appreciated the DVS programs, I can't
> imagine
> > > there would not me a lot more kids and adults who would benefit from
> > > increased numbers of shows being broadcast with audio descriptions...
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Richard
> > > rholloway at gopbc.org
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > blindkid at nfbnet.org
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> > >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:30:42 -0400
> > From: Richard Holloway <rholloway at gopbc.org>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,   \(for parents of blind children\)"
> >       <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [blindkid] PBS Station Frustration
> > Message-ID: <C9EC576B-217F-4962-A9D6-DBD0AA0212C9 at gopbc.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;     charset=windows-1252
> >
> > Penny,
> >
> > Yes, we'll be at the convention and I'm still more than happy to talk
> with you on the phone as well.
> >
> > I think I know what you may be seeing in the cable box and if I am right,
> what seems to be the right place is **not** where DVS actually appears which
> does seem pretty absurd as you'll see when you read on. (At least it doesn't
> work for us here for us.)
> >
> > Let me explain:
> >
> > On my Motorola Converter Box on the Comcast cable here, I go to:
> >
> > Menu:
> >       Setup:
> >               Audio Setup:
> >
> > Now the odd part-- there are two settings up top under "Audio Setup":
> >
> >                       Default Audio Track
> >                       Descriptive Video Service
> >
> >
> > Factory Settings seem to be what you would expect:
> >
> >                       Default Audio Track:                    English
> >                       Descriptive Video Service:              Off
> >
> > Here is the problem: when a valid DVS program is present, changing
> "Descriptive Video Service" to On has NO EFFECT.
> >
> > Instead, select Espanol (Spanish) for Default Audio Track or select any
> Spanish Option you can find.
> >
> > I just posted another reply with a little more info as well, but the key
> seems to be to look for Spanish feeds on stations like Nickelodeon,
> (Standard Definition), I do not believe their HIgh Definition feed has the
> same DVS content under Spanish (at least they did not this morning.) Just
> ignore "Descriptive Video Service" and deal with your Default Audio Track.
> It works for me the same way on the Comcast Box and with TiVo.
> >
> > The real problem I'm having here now seems to be only that PBS and
> apparently CBS are not feeding their DVS programs to my market at this time
> on their local affiliates. I am finding some DVS programming on Nickelodeon
> (SD), TCM, TBS, and Fox so far, hopefully with more to come.
> >
> > Also, remember some DVD's in stores have this option (even at places like
> Wal Mart and Target). I have also borrowed DVS DVD's for free from the local
> library and found some at Red Box for the usual $1 / day rental. The trick
> there is to see what has been released with DVS because Red Box doesn't lost
> that feature and many libraries are also unaware of DVS content.
> >
> > Please let me know if you have some better luck with this now and thanks
> again for your info as well!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jun 17, 2011, at 7:47 AM, Penny Duffy wrote:
> >
> > > Richard,
> > >
> > > I still haven't gotten it to work on my end. I have shows that are
> label dvs
> > > and I thought I turned it on at my cable box. Still nothing. I think
> one of
> > > the biggest issues with dvs is there is NO standard yet. Close
> captioning
> > > has had a standard for years.
> > >
> > > Are you going to the convention Richard? Maybe we can talk about it.
> > > Regardless I am really interested and I imagine we can figure it out
> LOL.
> > > When we get it all figured out maybe we can write something up for
> other
> > > parents.
> > >
> > > I have found that when the transition to digital happened that
> > > many channels lost the way the used to do it and there is a lot of
> > > confusion.
> > >
> > > --
> > > --Penny
> > > ----------
> > > Adventures with Abby - visionfora.blogspot.com
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:56 AM, Richard Holloway <rholloway at gopbc.org
> >wrote:
> > >
> > >> Could anyone who is finding DVS (audio described) programming on their
> > >> local PBS affiliate please email me (on or off list) and help me
> determine
> > >> at least what PBS affiliates / cities are actually broadcasting with
> DVS?
> > >> (Or if you are trying but can't find it on your local affiliate that
> would
> > >> be good to know as well.)
> > >>
> > >> I finally got an answer about the "technical problems" with DVS in
> Georgia
> > >> from PBS. I learned today that Georgia Public Broadcasting (GPB)
> simply
> > >> turned off their DVS feeds for programming a while back. According to
> the
> > >> General Manager of GPB,  they "ran into a significant amount of
> confusion
> > >> among viewers who received it, didn?t want it, and didn?t know how to
> turn
> > >> it off..." so they "...eventually abandoned the practice of delivering
> DVS."
> > >>
> > >> I'd really like to get a sense of whether this something that happened
> > >> mainly here in Georgia or of this is more widespread. I find it pretty
> > >> frustrating that their main concern is apparently the time and effort
> spent
> > >> by their engineers telling people who don't want DVS how to turn it
> off.
> > >>
> > >> I am told they may look back into offering this again now that the
> delivery
> > >> is different (over digital TV), but first they need to determine
> "...what
> > >> the likely impact would be for viewers who don?t want it." Sounds like
> they
> > >> got very little response from people who wanted DVS when they turned
> it off,
> > >> but I think that is probably because so few potential users were even
> aware
> > >> the service had been offered.
> > >>
> > >> Your feedback here on the list or directly would be really
> appreciated. I
> > >> would very much like to get DVS running here in Georgia on PBS again
> and if
> > >> this problem is widespread, to start addressing this on more of a
> national
> > >> level. As much as my daughter appreciated the DVS programs, I can't
> imagine
> > >> there would not me a lot more kids and adults who would benefit from
> > >> increased numbers of shows being broadcast with audio descriptions...
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >> Richard
> > >> rholloway at gopbc.org
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> blindkid mailing list
> > >> blindkid at nfbnet.org
> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org
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> > >> blindkid:
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> > >>
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> > >>
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> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:01:35 -0400
> > From: Richard Holloway <rholloway at gopbc.org>
> > To: "(for parents of blind children) NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List"
> >       <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [blindkid] blind vs deaf population
> > Message-ID: <589A3803-3C1F-4606-A769-59717CC8CE98 at gopbc.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Does anyone have or know the best source to find statistics on the blind
> and deaf population of the US. (World specs would be interesting as well.)
> >
> > I'm suspecting the NFB has some pretty accurate figured as to the numbers
> of blind vs visually impaired people in at least the US, and probably deaf
> and hard of hearing figures as well. The figures I am finding are not well
> documented and I'd like to have some idea of how accurate these numbers are
> before I use this information as I need to.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:12:31 -0400
> > From: Penny Duffy <pennyduffy at gmail.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,   (for parents of blind children)"
> >       <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [blindkid] PBS Station Frustration
> > Message-ID: <BANLkTikycgVT4qP4rqkVpPG0Jz33SrE7QA at mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> > O M Gosh it worked.. THANK YOU Richard. I feel like an idiot.  I am a
> pretty
> > good user of technology.
> >
> > I am watching Arthur with DVS right now (I love Arthur its so great with
> > Marina ) You are going to make my daughter's day.
> >
> > So need to find a way to
> >
> > 1. make the information clearer;  its insane that picking Spanish gave
> > me English DVS.
> >
> > 2. encourage  pbs stations (and others) to broadcast in DVS.   Would
> writing
> > letters work?  Telephone calls?
> >
> > i hope you don't mind but I am going to use your great directions on my
> > website.
> >
> > I am gitty.  I am so frustrated that your pbs affliate is not
> broadcasting
> > its DVS
> >
> > SO I back to your original question
> >
> > WGBH broadcasts in DVS    (I guess that isn't a surprise)
> >
> > I haven't tested NHPTV  yet but i bet they do
> >
> > -Penny
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Richard Holloway <rholloway at gopbc.org
> >wrote:
> >
> > > Penny,
> > >
> > > Yes, we'll be at the convention and I'm still more than happy to talk
> with
> > > you on the phone as well.
> > >
> > > I think I know what you may be seeing in the cable box and if I am
> right,
> > > what seems to be the right place is **not** where DVS actually appears
> which
> > > does seem pretty absurd as you'll see when you read on. (At least it
> doesn't
> > > work for us here for us.)
> > >
> > > Let me explain:
> > >
> > > On my Motorola Converter Box on the Comcast cable here, I go to:
> > >
> > > Menu:
> > >        Setup:
> > >                Audio Setup:
> > >
> > > Now the odd part-- there are two settings up top under "Audio Setup":
> > >
> > >                        Default Audio Track
> > >                        Descriptive Video Service
> > >
> > >
> > > Factory Settings seem to be what you would expect:
> > >
> > >                        Default Audio Track:                    English
> > >                        Descriptive Video Service:              Off
> > >
> > > Here is the problem: when a valid DVS program is present, changing
> > > "Descriptive Video Service" to On has NO EFFECT.
> > >
> > > Instead, select Espanol (Spanish) for Default Audio Track or select any
> > > Spanish Option you can find.
> > >
> > > I just posted another reply with a little more info as well, but the
> key
> > > seems to be to look for Spanish feeds on stations like Nickelodeon,
> > > (Standard Definition), I do not believe their HIgh Definition feed has
> the
> > > same DVS content under Spanish (at least they did not this morning.)
> Just
> > > ignore "Descriptive Video Service" and deal with your Default Audio
> Track.
> > > It works for me the same way on the Comcast Box and with TiVo.
> > >
> > > The real problem I'm having here now seems to be only that PBS and
> > > apparently CBS are not feeding their DVS programs to my market at this
> time
> > > on their local affiliates. I am finding some DVS programming on
> Nickelodeon
> > > (SD), TCM, TBS, and Fox so far, hopefully with more to come.
> > >
> > > Also, remember some DVD's in stores have this option (even at places
> like
> > > Wal Mart and Target). I have also borrowed DVS DVD's for free from the
> local
> > > library and found some at Red Box for the usual $1 / day rental. The
> trick
> > > there is to see what has been released with DVS because Red Box doesn't
> lost
> > > that feature and many libraries are also unaware of DVS content.
> > >
> > > Please let me know if you have some better luck with this now and
> thanks
> > > again for your info as well!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jun 17, 2011, at 7:47 AM, Penny Duffy wrote:
> > >
> > > > Richard,
> > > >
> > > > I still haven't gotten it to work on my end. I have shows that are
> label
> > > dvs
> > > > and I thought I turned it on at my cable box. Still nothing. I think
> one
> > > of
> > > > the biggest issues with dvs is there is NO standard yet. Close
> captioning
> > > > has had a standard for years.
> > > >
> > > > Are you going to the convention Richard? Maybe we can talk about it.
> > > > Regardless I am really interested and I imagine we can figure it out
> LOL.
> > > > When we get it all figured out maybe we can write something up for
> other
> > > > parents.
> > > >
> > > > I have found that when the transition to digital happened that
> > > > many channels lost the way the used to do it and there is a lot of
> > > > confusion.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > --Penny
> > > > ----------
> > > > Adventures with Abby - visionfora.blogspot.com
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:56 AM, Richard Holloway <
> rholloway at gopbc.org
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Could anyone who is finding DVS (audio described) programming on
> their
> > > >> local PBS affiliate please email me (on or off list) and help me
> > > determine
> > > >> at least what PBS affiliates / cities are actually broadcasting with
> > > DVS?
> > > >> (Or if you are trying but can't find it on your local affiliate that
> > > would
> > > >> be good to know as well.)
> > > >>
> > > >> I finally got an answer about the "technical problems" with DVS in
> > > Georgia
> > > >> from PBS. I learned today that Georgia Public Broadcasting (GPB)
> simply
> > > >> turned off their DVS feeds for programming a while back. According
> to
> > > the
> > > >> General Manager of GPB,  they "ran into a significant amount of
> > > confusion
> > > >> among viewers who received it, didn?t want it, and didn?t know how
> to
> > > turn
> > > >> it off..." so they "...eventually abandoned the practice of
> delivering
> > > DVS."
> > > >>
> > > >> I'd really like to get a sense of whether this something that
> happened
> > > >> mainly here in Georgia or of this is more widespread. I find it
> pretty
> > > >> frustrating that their main concern is apparently the time and
> effort
> > > spent
> > > >> by their engineers telling people who don't want DVS how to turn it
> off.
> > > >>
> > > >> I am told they may look back into offering this again now that the
> > > delivery
> > > >> is different (over digital TV), but first they need to determine
> > > "...what
> > > >> the likely impact would be for viewers who don?t want it." Sounds
> like
> > > they
> > > >> got very little response from people who wanted DVS when they turned
> it
> > > off,
> > > >> but I think that is probably because so few potential users were
> even
> > > aware
> > > >> the service had been offered.
> > > >>
> > > >> Your feedback here on the list or directly would be really
> appreciated.
> > > I
> > > >> would very much like to get DVS running here in Georgia on PBS again
> and
> > > if
> > > >> this problem is widespread, to start addressing this on more of a
> > > national
> > > >> level. As much as my daughter appreciated the DVS programs, I can't
> > > imagine
> > > >> there would not me a lot more kids and adults who would benefit from
> > > >> increased numbers of shows being broadcast with audio
> descriptions...
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >>
> > > >> Richard
> > > >> rholloway at gopbc.org
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> > --
> > --Penny
> > ----------
> > Adventures with Abby - visionfora.blogspot.com
> >
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