[blindkid] Awesome!
Rene Harrell
rjharrell at gmail.com
Fri Jun 17 19:04:22 UTC 2011
We've encountered a lot of this.....from our end, it comes a lot from the
professionals (TVIs, O&M instructors etc. etc.) as well as the general
public. It's compounded by the fact that Clare has additional developmental
disabilities, so it always seems to take professionals by surprise that she
can do anything with any kind of competence.
Example: Clare has been holding steady on O&M skills for the past 18 months
or so. She still gets pretty easily confused by instructions that include a
relative direction (to your right, to your left) and tends to
overcompensate. She also is still fairly primitive beyond basics.
We homeschool, and I decided to ask one of the O&Ms from our local blind
school to come and do an observation/evaluation and see if he could offer me
any pointers/tips on how I could work with her to keep her on a path of
developing skills. He came for two hours, did a full observation and
evaluation and ended with telling me how she far exceeded his expectations,
how he was caught off guard by how "fantastic" she was doing for a child of
her developmental level, and really we should highly pleased with how
"wonderful" she is doing. The end. And I'm left scratching my head because
while I am by no means hypercritical or never-satisfied, I can see plenty of
areas of needed improvement and I had to be the one to point out areas of
deficiencies and specifically prompt him for techniques and tips to address
them. This has also happened with the TVI when I asked for hand positioning
help for her Braille reading. Truly, no one understands that Clare has a
developmental delay more than I do. I know she will require life long care
and supervision. But the level of "ISN'T SHE AMAZING!!!!!!!!!" and "WOW, I
CAN'T BELIEVE SHE CAN DO THAT?!?!?!?!" that I get from professionals in this
world makes me wonder precisely what it is that they think she *should* be
doing, because given her current level of functioning, my assumption is "not
much."
When it comes to the general public making over the top comments, I will
usually jest and say things along the lines of "She gets all her amazing
qualities from me don't you know." :wink or "Well, I don't carry 9 year olds
up the stairs, so I guess it's a good thing she figured out." Clare is
just starting to developmentally figure out that she is blind and others are
not, so we personally have not crossed the bridge of having to help her
figure out she is not the world's most amazing individual for having figured
out how to climb a flight of stairs, lol.
Sometimes Clare works very, very hard to figure out skills that come easily
to other people (blind and sighted). Autism and M.R. mean that a lot of
tasks are a great challenge. If it has been a reall challenge and a real
struggle for her to master a skill, and that skill has been emotionally
upsetting for her to master, I have no problem giving her praise and letting
her know she worked hard and helping her feel pride in a skill hard
won. Beyond that, it's just an expectation that we all work hard. :-)
Rene
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Penny Duffy <pennyduffy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thats because Josey IS amazing but that's because she is an amazing role
> model. (he he My daughter know Josey and she means a huge deal to her)
>
> Most people mean well. I also think since so many people aren't use to see
> a blind person much less a blind child they don't know how to react. I know
> I have had to work on this myself. Its amazing what training and expose
> can
> do for anyone.
>
> I have struggled with this with family more then strangers. I don't think
> my family understand the orientation and mobility and its tools. The family
> have done a poor time encouraging my daughter to use her cane. I make her
> use it even when sometimes she maybe not 'need' it. She need the practice.
> This has been a huge issue for us. They see her moving about not using her
> cane and say "see she doesn't need it" I see it as a missed chance for
> practice.
>
> -Penny
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:16 PM, lucy <gingerlocket at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi, My daughters has been Blind since birth, she is now 10.
> > Teachers/Specialists seem to know not to make a HUGE issue out of her
> > successfully completing a Mobility skill, ECT and commend her just like
> they
> > would a child learning any independence skill. But, the general public?!
> In
> > my experience, Yes they do get excited and have a look of OMG! WOW! on
> their
> > faces and sometimes overly exaggerate a simple skill well done. I simply
> > have Josey say, Thank You. And, thank them too. It's not a big deal, a
> lot
> > are just curious and it's great to interact with the public, educate them
> > and make them aware that simple independent skills are a normal part of
> > daily living!! - Lucy
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > >
> > > 1. Awesome! (Carly B)
> > > 2. Re: Awesome! (Penny Duffy)
> > > 3. Re: Awesome! (Richard Holloway)
> > > 4. Re: Awesome! (Carrie Gilmer)
> > > 5. PBS Station Frustration (Richard Holloway)
> > > 6. Re: PBS Station Frustration (Penny Duffy)
> > > 7. Re: PBS Station Frustration (Richard Holloway)
> > > 8. blind vs deaf population (Richard Holloway)
> > > 9. Re: PBS Station Frustration (Penny Duffy)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:30:30 -0500
> > > From: Carly B <barnesraiser at gmail.com>
> > > To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)"
> > > <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: [blindkid] Awesome!
> > > Message-ID: <BANLkTi=zn_nCzAkNXznhpoup1e+8Tf6HeA at mail.gmail.com>
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> > >
> > > Hi! I've been meaning to post this question for some time: what do you
> > say
> > > to the well-meaning, kind-hearted, but clueless person who exclaims,
> > "WOW!
> > > That's AMAZING!" when your child walks up or down a set of stairs (or
> > some
> > > other perfectly ordinary thing)? Do you just smile and let it go? Talk
> to
> > > your child afterwards? Is there an opportunity for education with a
> quick
> > > and to-the-point comment?
> > >
> > > I'm just wondering what you do/say.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any helpful advice you may have!
> > >
> > > :) Carolynn Barnes
> > > (aka Brian's mom)
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:04:40 -0400
> > > From: Penny Duffy <pennyduffy at gmail.com>
> > > To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)"
> > > <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [blindkid] Awesome!
> > > Message-ID: <BANLkTi=t0AO_faiVGw51f2M-6jfaKX9rAg at mail.gmail.com>
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> > >
> > > I say wow when a child uses great mobility skills but I say it for a
> > whole
> > > different reason then the person in the example is. (I am a big
> > cheerleader
> > > for my daughter its hard to modivate her sometimes LOL) LOL. I try
> and
> > > brush those kinds of things off. I may respond that all it all takes
> is
> > > proper training. People really think that that suffer from blindness
> are
> > > helpless. Your child did expand the person realization what the blind
> > can
> > > do. Its one person at a time.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Carly B <barnesraiser at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi! I've been meaning to post this question for some time: what do
> you
> > say
> > > > to the well-meaning, kind-hearted, but clueless person who exclaims,
> > "WOW!
> > > > That's AMAZING!" when your child walks up or down a set of stairs (or
> > some
> > > > other perfectly ordinary thing)? Do you just smile and let it go?
> Talk
> > to
> > > > your child afterwards? Is there an opportunity for education with a
> > quick
> > > > and to-the-point comment?
> > > >
> > > > I'm just wondering what you do/say.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for any helpful advice you may have!
> > > >
> > > > :) Carolynn Barnes
> > > > (aka Brian's mom)
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > --Penny
> > > ----------
> > > Adventures with Abby - visionfora.blogspot.com
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:07:48 -0400
> > > From: Richard Holloway <rholloway at gopbc.org>
> > > To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind
> children\)"
> > > <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [blindkid] Awesome!
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> > >
> > > We get that a good bit as well. I agree it is a case by case thing.
> When
> > there is a reasonable way to point it out without making a "situation" of
> > it, I like to explain that my daughter is just like most kids and she
> does
> > pretty much the same things, she just does things with slightly different
> > skills than some other children.
> > >
> > > -RH
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jun 16, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Carly B wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi! I've been meaning to post this question for some time: what do
> you
> > say
> > > > to the well-meaning, kind-hearted, but clueless person who exclaims,
> > "WOW!
> > > > That's AMAZING!" when your child walks up or down a set of stairs (or
> > some
> > > > other perfectly ordinary thing)? Do you just smile and let it go?
> Talk
> > to
> > > > your child afterwards? Is there an opportunity for education with a
> > quick
> > > > and to-the-point comment?
> > > >
> > > > I'm just wondering what you do/say.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for any helpful advice you may have!
> > > >
> > > > :) Carolynn Barnes
> > > > (aka Brian's mom)
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> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 4
> > > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:14:15 -0500
> > > From: "Carrie Gilmer" <carrie.gilmer at gmail.com>
> > > To: "'NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind
> > > children\)'" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [blindkid] Awesome!
> > > Message-ID: <4dfa9c69.8d3ee70a.5f22.3565 at mx.google.com>
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> > >
> > > Hi Carolynn :),
> > > What you describe is in a nutshell why we say that the biggest
> "problems"
> > > are not from amount of eyesight. Yes sometimes you do smile and "let it
> > go",
> > > sometimes it's the fifth time after other ignorance is shown and one
> > snaps a
> > > bit (or in truth, a lot, lol). I have found that it is rare the
> > opportunity
> > > to both have the time to teach in a situation AND have a person who
> TRULY
> > > wants to learn. And you can typically think that a person will have
> often
> > > some epiphany and understand all from one (or even a dozen encounters);
> > some
> > > NEVER get it, some get it like in an epiphany all at once (like YOU).
> > Most
> > > just get embarrassed, or truly don't get it and no matter how nice you
> > say
> > > anything they think YOU have the problem. Pretty much everyone likes to
> > > think they have no ignorance or prejudice :).
> > > At times I have returned with a question, "WHY do you think it is
> > > amazing?"...and in trying to answer they see that they thought it was
> > super
> > > hard (for example) to go on stairs with poor or no vision...and some
> > times
> > > there has been time to elaborate on how they likely already do things
> > > themselves...things they know by touch...
> > > What I do do--ALWAYS if my child heard it...is to discuss with him. Our
> > > children must learn to decipher and pick up on low expectations. What
> if
> > > this was said during/just before or after a job interview? They need to
> > > understand when and who says things like this might be more important.
> > And
> > > they need to learn to live with this and respond-or not-without being
> > angry
> > > or always assuming...Its a tricky deal. And stuff like this
> unfortunately
> > > happens everyday, every day to blind adults moving about alone in the
> big
> > > world.
> > > We need some phone time lady :).
> > > Always,
> > > Carrie
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Carly B
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 1:31 PM
> > > To: NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)
> > > Subject: [blindkid] Awesome!
> > >
> > > Hi! I've been meaning to post this question for some time: what do you
> > say
> > > to the well-meaning, kind-hearted, but clueless person who exclaims,
> > "WOW!
> > > That's AMAZING!" when your child walks up or down a set of stairs (or
> > some
> > > other perfectly ordinary thing)? Do you just smile and let it go? Talk
> to
> > > your child afterwards? Is there an opportunity for education with a
> quick
> > > and to-the-point comment?
> > >
> > > I'm just wondering what you do/say.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any helpful advice you may have!
> > >
> > > :) Carolynn Barnes
> > > (aka Brian's mom)
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 5
> > > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 03:56:07 -0400
> > > From: Richard Holloway <rholloway at gopbc.org>
> > > To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)"
> > > <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: [blindkid] PBS Station Frustration
> > > Message-ID: <12C1278E-EBCA-48E6-B81B-6CEF735A16CC at gopbc.org>
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> > >
> > > Could anyone who is finding DVS (audio described) programming on their
> > local PBS affiliate please email me (on or off list) and help me
> determine
> > at least what PBS affiliates / cities are actually broadcasting with DVS?
> > (Or if you are trying but can't find it on your local affiliate that
> would
> > be good to know as well.)
> > >
> > > I finally got an answer about the "technical problems" with DVS in
> > Georgia from PBS. I learned today that Georgia Public Broadcasting (GPB)
> > simply turned off their DVS feeds for programming a while back. According
> to
> > the General Manager of GPB, they "ran into a significant amount of
> > confusion among viewers who received it, didn?t want it, and didn?t know
> how
> > to turn it off..." so they "...eventually abandoned the practice of
> > delivering DVS."
> > >
> > > I'd really like to get a sense of whether this something that happened
> > mainly here in Georgia or of this is more widespread. I find it pretty
> > frustrating that their main concern is apparently the time and effort
> spent
> > by their engineers telling people who don't want DVS how to turn it off.
> > >
> > > I am told they may look back into offering this again now that the
> > delivery is different (over digital TV), but first they need to determine
> > "...what the likely impact would be for viewers who don?t want it."
> Sounds
> > like they got very little response from people who wanted DVS when they
> > turned it off, but I think that is probably because so few potential
> users
> > were even aware the service had been offered.
> > >
> > > Your feedback here on the list or directly would be really appreciated.
> I
> > would very much like to get DVS running here in Georgia on PBS again and
> if
> > this problem is widespread, to start addressing this on more of a
> national
> > level. As much as my daughter appreciated the DVS programs, I can't
> imagine
> > there would not me a lot more kids and adults who would benefit from
> > increased numbers of shows being broadcast with audio descriptions...
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Richard
> > > rholloway at gopbc.org
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 6
> > > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:47:42 -0400
> > > From: Penny Duffy <pennyduffy at gmail.com>
> > > To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)"
> > > <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [blindkid] PBS Station Frustration
> > > Message-ID: <BANLkTim=eF-qx0exgObCiLcvg1uz9Fdrkg at mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> > >
> > > Richard,
> > >
> > > I still haven't gotten it to work on my end. I have shows that are
> label
> > dvs
> > > and I thought I turned it on at my cable box. Still nothing. I think
> one
> > of
> > > the biggest issues with dvs is there is NO standard yet. Close
> captioning
> > > has had a standard for years.
> > >
> > > Are you going to the convention Richard? Maybe we can talk about it.
> > > Regardless I am really interested and I imagine we can figure it out
> LOL.
> > > When we get it all figured out maybe we can write something up for
> other
> > > parents.
> > >
> > > I have found that when the transition to digital happened that
> > > many channels lost the way the used to do it and there is a lot of
> > > confusion.
> > >
> > > --
> > > --Penny
> > > ----------
> > > Adventures with Abby - visionfora.blogspot.com
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:56 AM, Richard Holloway <rholloway at gopbc.org
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Could anyone who is finding DVS (audio described) programming on
> their
> > > > local PBS affiliate please email me (on or off list) and help me
> > determine
> > > > at least what PBS affiliates / cities are actually broadcasting with
> > DVS?
> > > > (Or if you are trying but can't find it on your local affiliate that
> > would
> > > > be good to know as well.)
> > > >
> > > > I finally got an answer about the "technical problems" with DVS in
> > Georgia
> > > > from PBS. I learned today that Georgia Public Broadcasting (GPB)
> simply
> > > > turned off their DVS feeds for programming a while back. According to
> > the
> > > > General Manager of GPB, they "ran into a significant amount of
> > confusion
> > > > among viewers who received it, didn?t want it, and didn?t know how to
> > turn
> > > > it off..." so they "...eventually abandoned the practice of
> delivering
> > DVS."
> > > >
> > > > I'd really like to get a sense of whether this something that
> happened
> > > > mainly here in Georgia or of this is more widespread. I find it
> pretty
> > > > frustrating that their main concern is apparently the time and effort
> > spent
> > > > by their engineers telling people who don't want DVS how to turn it
> > off.
> > > >
> > > > I am told they may look back into offering this again now that the
> > delivery
> > > > is different (over digital TV), but first they need to determine
> > "...what
> > > > the likely impact would be for viewers who don?t want it." Sounds
> like
> > they
> > > > got very little response from people who wanted DVS when they turned
> it
> > off,
> > > > but I think that is probably because so few potential users were even
> > aware
> > > > the service had been offered.
> > > >
> > > > Your feedback here on the list or directly would be really
> appreciated.
> > I
> > > > would very much like to get DVS running here in Georgia on PBS again
> > and if
> > > > this problem is widespread, to start addressing this on more of a
> > national
> > > > level. As much as my daughter appreciated the DVS programs, I can't
> > imagine
> > > > there would not me a lot more kids and adults who would benefit from
> > > > increased numbers of shows being broadcast with audio descriptions...
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Richard
> > > > rholloway at gopbc.org
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> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 7
> > > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:30:42 -0400
> > > From: Richard Holloway <rholloway at gopbc.org>
> > > To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind
> children\)"
> > > <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [blindkid] PBS Station Frustration
> > > Message-ID: <C9EC576B-217F-4962-A9D6-DBD0AA0212C9 at gopbc.org>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> > >
> > > Penny,
> > >
> > > Yes, we'll be at the convention and I'm still more than happy to talk
> > with you on the phone as well.
> > >
> > > I think I know what you may be seeing in the cable box and if I am
> right,
> > what seems to be the right place is **not** where DVS actually appears
> which
> > does seem pretty absurd as you'll see when you read on. (At least it
> doesn't
> > work for us here for us.)
> > >
> > > Let me explain:
> > >
> > > On my Motorola Converter Box on the Comcast cable here, I go to:
> > >
> > > Menu:
> > > Setup:
> > > Audio Setup:
> > >
> > > Now the odd part-- there are two settings up top under "Audio Setup":
> > >
> > > Default Audio Track
> > > Descriptive Video Service
> > >
> > >
> > > Factory Settings seem to be what you would expect:
> > >
> > > Default Audio Track: English
> > > Descriptive Video Service: Off
> > >
> > > Here is the problem: when a valid DVS program is present, changing
> > "Descriptive Video Service" to On has NO EFFECT.
> > >
> > > Instead, select Espanol (Spanish) for Default Audio Track or select any
> > Spanish Option you can find.
> > >
> > > I just posted another reply with a little more info as well, but the
> key
> > seems to be to look for Spanish feeds on stations like Nickelodeon,
> > (Standard Definition), I do not believe their HIgh Definition feed has
> the
> > same DVS content under Spanish (at least they did not this morning.) Just
> > ignore "Descriptive Video Service" and deal with your Default Audio
> Track.
> > It works for me the same way on the Comcast Box and with TiVo.
> > >
> > > The real problem I'm having here now seems to be only that PBS and
> > apparently CBS are not feeding their DVS programs to my market at this
> time
> > on their local affiliates. I am finding some DVS programming on
> Nickelodeon
> > (SD), TCM, TBS, and Fox so far, hopefully with more to come.
> > >
> > > Also, remember some DVD's in stores have this option (even at places
> like
> > Wal Mart and Target). I have also borrowed DVS DVD's for free from the
> local
> > library and found some at Red Box for the usual $1 / day rental. The
> trick
> > there is to see what has been released with DVS because Red Box doesn't
> lost
> > that feature and many libraries are also unaware of DVS content.
> > >
> > > Please let me know if you have some better luck with this now and
> thanks
> > again for your info as well!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jun 17, 2011, at 7:47 AM, Penny Duffy wrote:
> > >
> > > > Richard,
> > > >
> > > > I still haven't gotten it to work on my end. I have shows that are
> > label dvs
> > > > and I thought I turned it on at my cable box. Still nothing. I think
> > one of
> > > > the biggest issues with dvs is there is NO standard yet. Close
> > captioning
> > > > has had a standard for years.
> > > >
> > > > Are you going to the convention Richard? Maybe we can talk about it.
> > > > Regardless I am really interested and I imagine we can figure it out
> > LOL.
> > > > When we get it all figured out maybe we can write something up for
> > other
> > > > parents.
> > > >
> > > > I have found that when the transition to digital happened that
> > > > many channels lost the way the used to do it and there is a lot of
> > > > confusion.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > --Penny
> > > > ----------
> > > > Adventures with Abby - visionfora.blogspot.com
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:56 AM, Richard Holloway <
> rholloway at gopbc.org
> > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Could anyone who is finding DVS (audio described) programming on
> their
> > > >> local PBS affiliate please email me (on or off list) and help me
> > determine
> > > >> at least what PBS affiliates / cities are actually broadcasting with
> > DVS?
> > > >> (Or if you are trying but can't find it on your local affiliate that
> > would
> > > >> be good to know as well.)
> > > >>
> > > >> I finally got an answer about the "technical problems" with DVS in
> > Georgia
> > > >> from PBS. I learned today that Georgia Public Broadcasting (GPB)
> > simply
> > > >> turned off their DVS feeds for programming a while back. According
> to
> > the
> > > >> General Manager of GPB, they "ran into a significant amount of
> > confusion
> > > >> among viewers who received it, didn?t want it, and didn?t know how
> to
> > turn
> > > >> it off..." so they "...eventually abandoned the practice of
> delivering
> > DVS."
> > > >>
> > > >> I'd really like to get a sense of whether this something that
> happened
> > > >> mainly here in Georgia or of this is more widespread. I find it
> pretty
> > > >> frustrating that their main concern is apparently the time and
> effort
> > spent
> > > >> by their engineers telling people who don't want DVS how to turn it
> > off.
> > > >>
> > > >> I am told they may look back into offering this again now that the
> > delivery
> > > >> is different (over digital TV), but first they need to determine
> > "...what
> > > >> the likely impact would be for viewers who don?t want it." Sounds
> like
> > they
> > > >> got very little response from people who wanted DVS when they turned
> > it off,
> > > >> but I think that is probably because so few potential users were
> even
> > aware
> > > >> the service had been offered.
> > > >>
> > > >> Your feedback here on the list or directly would be really
> > appreciated. I
> > > >> would very much like to get DVS running here in Georgia on PBS again
> > and if
> > > >> this problem is widespread, to start addressing this on more of a
> > national
> > > >> level. As much as my daughter appreciated the DVS programs, I can't
> > imagine
> > > >> there would not me a lot more kids and adults who would benefit from
> > > >> increased numbers of shows being broadcast with audio
> descriptions...
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >>
> > > >> Richard
> > > >> rholloway at gopbc.org
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> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 8
> > > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:01:35 -0400
> > > From: Richard Holloway <rholloway at gopbc.org>
> > > To: "(for parents of blind children) NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List"
> > > <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: [blindkid] blind vs deaf population
> > > Message-ID: <589A3803-3C1F-4606-A769-59717CC8CE98 at gopbc.org>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > >
> > > Does anyone have or know the best source to find statistics on the
> blind
> > and deaf population of the US. (World specs would be interesting as
> well.)
> > >
> > > I'm suspecting the NFB has some pretty accurate figured as to the
> numbers
> > of blind vs visually impaired people in at least the US, and probably
> deaf
> > and hard of hearing figures as well. The figures I am finding are not
> well
> > documented and I'd like to have some idea of how accurate these numbers
> are
> > before I use this information as I need to.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 9
> > > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:12:31 -0400
> > > From: Penny Duffy <pennyduffy at gmail.com>
> > > To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)"
> > > <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [blindkid] PBS Station Frustration
> > > Message-ID: <BANLkTikycgVT4qP4rqkVpPG0Jz33SrE7QA at mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> > >
> > > O M Gosh it worked.. THANK YOU Richard. I feel like an idiot. I am a
> > pretty
> > > good user of technology.
> > >
> > > I am watching Arthur with DVS right now (I love Arthur its so great
> with
> > > Marina ) You are going to make my daughter's day.
> > >
> > > So need to find a way to
> > >
> > > 1. make the information clearer; its insane that picking Spanish gave
> > > me English DVS.
> > >
> > > 2. encourage pbs stations (and others) to broadcast in DVS. Would
> > writing
> > > letters work? Telephone calls?
> > >
> > > i hope you don't mind but I am going to use your great directions on my
> > > website.
> > >
> > > I am gitty. I am so frustrated that your pbs affliate is not
> > broadcasting
> > > its DVS
> > >
> > > SO I back to your original question
> > >
> > > WGBH broadcasts in DVS (I guess that isn't a surprise)
> > >
> > > I haven't tested NHPTV yet but i bet they do
> > >
> > > -Penny
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Richard Holloway <
> rholloway at gopbc.org
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Penny,
> > > >
> > > > Yes, we'll be at the convention and I'm still more than happy to talk
> > with
> > > > you on the phone as well.
> > > >
> > > > I think I know what you may be seeing in the cable box and if I am
> > right,
> > > > what seems to be the right place is **not** where DVS actually
> appears
> > which
> > > > does seem pretty absurd as you'll see when you read on. (At least it
> > doesn't
> > > > work for us here for us.)
> > > >
> > > > Let me explain:
> > > >
> > > > On my Motorola Converter Box on the Comcast cable here, I go to:
> > > >
> > > > Menu:
> > > > Setup:
> > > > Audio Setup:
> > > >
> > > > Now the odd part-- there are two settings up top under "Audio Setup":
> > > >
> > > > Default Audio Track
> > > > Descriptive Video Service
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Factory Settings seem to be what you would expect:
> > > >
> > > > Default Audio Track:
> English
> > > > Descriptive Video Service: Off
> > > >
> > > > Here is the problem: when a valid DVS program is present, changing
> > > > "Descriptive Video Service" to On has NO EFFECT.
> > > >
> > > > Instead, select Espanol (Spanish) for Default Audio Track or select
> any
> > > > Spanish Option you can find.
> > > >
> > > > I just posted another reply with a little more info as well, but the
> > key
> > > > seems to be to look for Spanish feeds on stations like Nickelodeon,
> > > > (Standard Definition), I do not believe their HIgh Definition feed
> has
> > the
> > > > same DVS content under Spanish (at least they did not this morning.)
> > Just
> > > > ignore "Descriptive Video Service" and deal with your Default Audio
> > Track.
> > > > It works for me the same way on the Comcast Box and with TiVo.
> > > >
> > > > The real problem I'm having here now seems to be only that PBS and
> > > > apparently CBS are not feeding their DVS programs to my market at
> this
> > time
> > > > on their local affiliates. I am finding some DVS programming on
> > Nickelodeon
> > > > (SD), TCM, TBS, and Fox so far, hopefully with more to come.
> > > >
> > > > Also, remember some DVD's in stores have this option (even at places
> > like
> > > > Wal Mart and Target). I have also borrowed DVS DVD's for free from
> the
> > local
> > > > library and found some at Red Box for the usual $1 / day rental. The
> > trick
> > > > there is to see what has been released with DVS because Red Box
> doesn't
> > lost
> > > > that feature and many libraries are also unaware of DVS content.
> > > >
> > > > Please let me know if you have some better luck with this now and
> > thanks
> > > > again for your info as well!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jun 17, 2011, at 7:47 AM, Penny Duffy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Richard,
> > > > >
> > > > > I still haven't gotten it to work on my end. I have shows that are
> > label
> > > > dvs
> > > > > and I thought I turned it on at my cable box. Still nothing. I
> think
> > one
> > > > of
> > > > > the biggest issues with dvs is there is NO standard yet. Close
> > captioning
> > > > > has had a standard for years.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you going to the convention Richard? Maybe we can talk about
> it.
> > > > > Regardless I am really interested and I imagine we can figure it
> out
> > LOL.
> > > > > When we get it all figured out maybe we can write something up for
> > other
> > > > > parents.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have found that when the transition to digital happened that
> > > > > many channels lost the way the used to do it and there is a lot of
> > > > > confusion.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > --Penny
> > > > > ----------
> > > > > Adventures with Abby - visionfora.blogspot.com
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:56 AM, Richard Holloway <
> > rholloway at gopbc.org
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Could anyone who is finding DVS (audio described) programming on
> > their
> > > > >> local PBS affiliate please email me (on or off list) and help me
> > > > determine
> > > > >> at least what PBS affiliates / cities are actually broadcasting
> with
> > > > DVS?
> > > > >> (Or if you are trying but can't find it on your local affiliate
> that
> > > > would
> > > > >> be good to know as well.)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I finally got an answer about the "technical problems" with DVS in
> > > > Georgia
> > > > >> from PBS. I learned today that Georgia Public Broadcasting (GPB)
> > simply
> > > > >> turned off their DVS feeds for programming a while back. According
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > >> General Manager of GPB, they "ran into a significant amount of
> > > > confusion
> > > > >> among viewers who received it, didn?t want it, and didn?t know how
> > to
> > > > turn
> > > > >> it off..." so they "...eventually abandoned the practice of
> > delivering
> > > > DVS."
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'd really like to get a sense of whether this something that
> > happened
> > > > >> mainly here in Georgia or of this is more widespread. I find it
> > pretty
> > > > >> frustrating that their main concern is apparently the time and
> > effort
> > > > spent
> > > > >> by their engineers telling people who don't want DVS how to turn
> it
> > off.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I am told they may look back into offering this again now that the
> > > > delivery
> > > > >> is different (over digital TV), but first they need to determine
> > > > "...what
> > > > >> the likely impact would be for viewers who don?t want it." Sounds
> > like
> > > > they
> > > > >> got very little response from people who wanted DVS when they
> turned
> > it
> > > > off,
> > > > >> but I think that is probably because so few potential users were
> > even
> > > > aware
> > > > >> the service had been offered.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Your feedback here on the list or directly would be really
> > appreciated.
> > > > I
> > > > >> would very much like to get DVS running here in Georgia on PBS
> again
> > and
> > > > if
> > > > >> this problem is widespread, to start addressing this on more of a
> > > > national
> > > > >> level. As much as my daughter appreciated the DVS programs, I
> can't
> > > > imagine
> > > > >> there would not me a lot more kids and adults who would benefit
> from
> > > > >> increased numbers of shows being broadcast with audio
> > descriptions...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Richard
> > > > >> rholloway at gopbc.org
> > > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > > >> blindkid mailing list
> > > > >> blindkid at nfbnet.org
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> > >
> > > --
> > > --Penny
> > > ----------
> > > Adventures with Abby - visionfora.blogspot.com
> > >
> > >
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