[blindkid] Excel-labeling everything in a graph with talking software

Wed Oct 4 12:24:56 UTC 2017

Denise
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On Oct 3, 2017, at 8:24 PM, Traci W via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Okay, I'm watching the video, questions come to mind:
1. You say the student got the problems from Word. Will Word by read
properly by NVDA or Jaws for math equations or does this have to be entered
in a certain way?
2.  Do your students perform all their math on a computer then, via Word
and Excel?

Thanks again - this is all so helpful!
Traci

> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Traci W <traci.mwd at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Great - thanks for that info!  My daughter and I are excited to watch your
> video together.  I know school systems are getting better at allowing
> computers during testing - but how do you get around that if the student
> prefers to perform their math on the computers and a system still doesn't
> allow them during testing?  I do think this will change rapidly though, as
> sighted peers are more and more often tested on computers...
> 
> Thanks again,
> Traci
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Denise M Robinson via blindkid <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Traci
>> Marianne raises a really good point. Mathxl is a Pearson product. Pearson
>> has just begun the journey of making their products accessible....so be
>> careful with anyone beginning the journey on accessibility
>> 
>> Saying that, excel from elementary is an easy program to learn. I say
>> easy with this in mind--all programs are easy to learn if you have someone
>> who can teach you the commands to do it. They are terrible and impossible
>> if you get someone who does not know all the commands to teach IT ALL and
>> your child will HATE that computer and all programs because they will start
>> to believe the false statements of "blind people just can’t do that" --that
>> is a lie.
>> 
>> My students go from basic math in lower elementary to advanced
>> math--statistic, trig and beyond using excel. At its simplest, students do
>> all their graphing in excel, line up problems to divide and multiple,
>> etc--just like the sighted--I do not teach them formulas until they are in
>> advanced math in HS--it is all their work.
>> 
>> One tiny example I have heard too many times: I picked up a new student
>> this year who is in 6th grade who only knew how to read braille--with one
>> hand because her past TVI told her never to use her left hand, and she did
>> most work verbally, so over summer heavy instruction on her apex and the
>> computer and the programs with the computer. Now that school has started,
>> she is doing graphing in 6th grade so I show her how to do graphing in
>> excel and she said "I thought I would never be able to do graphing" and she
>> has pretty much said this all along the last few months each time she
>> learns a new concept. She is learning she CAN do all this --Because every
>> adult in her background has told her  (minus her parents) "blind people
>> can't do this" now my team and I are telling her the same thing as her
>> parents--"yes, you can!"
>> 
>> One by one, the myths are dispelled.
>> 
>> One thing I so want all parents to know--your child CAN DO ANYTHING and
>> EVERYTHING at the same speed and efficiency as any other child with the
>> right tools and make it even look better and greater using that computer
>> with a braille display and talking software (braille graphics and nemeth
>> under their fingers for science and math with work on computer--so they get
>> the "visual" of what is going on as they output work on their computer with
>> talking software and brl display).
>> 
>> They just have to dream it, and have someone to teach them the commands
>> on that computer and they CAN do it.
>> 
>> That was a long answer for--excel--hands down
>> 
>> Hope this helps
>> 
>> Denise M Robinson TVI, PhD
>> 
>> TechVision Team
>> TechVision Team
>> Specialists in Technology and Training for the blind & visually impaired
>> 
>> 
>> 425-220-6935
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindkid [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Marianne Denning via blindkid
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 2:02 PM
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>> Cc: Marianne Denning <marianne at denningweb.com>
>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Excel-labeling everything in a graph with talking
>> software
>> 
>> I am not Denise but I have a question. Is Math ML accessible with a
>> screen reader? If not, then it really isn't an option. It would be the way
>> I could get the math information in Braille but then I would need to find a
>> way to solve the problems and get my work to the teacher without a middle
>> person.
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Traci W via blindkid <
>> blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Denise,
>>> 
>>> I'm curious if you see Excel or MathML as the most effective way for a
>>> blind student to progress through her math studies.  My daughter is in
>>> 7th and still on the perkins brailler, which has its merits, but I'm
>>> wondering how you decide which path to take..
>>> 
>>> Thank you!
>>> Traci Wilkerson
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>>> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Dr. Denise M Robinson via blindkid <
>>> blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Here are the answers to how our low vision and blind students can do
>>>> all math in excel and make beautiful graphs. Truly a braille display
>>>> needs to be attached to reconfirm anything they hear and also the
>>>> items they do
>>> not
>>>> hear. Many more Youtube videos on this at the TechVision channel:
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7YW7Ves0phCwCOtaZ3wWFw
>>>> 
>>>> Here is the excel video: https://youtu.be/Gnm_WMrNaZ8
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> *Dr Denise M Robinson*
>>>> 
>>>> Denise M Robinson, TVI, PhD
>>>> 
>>>> Specialist-Technology/Blind Skills | Teacher of the Blind and
>>>> Visually Impaired
>>>> 425-220-6935 | www.yourtechvision.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> technology”
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