[blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review

Tai Tomasi ttomasi at driowa.org
Thu Aug 18 19:39:55 UTC 2016 

I have found that ABYY FineReader does a great job of  preserving footnotes as such, rather than just throwing the text at the bottom of the page. 

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I think it does, but if I remember correctly, it does not structure them as footnotes/endnotes as you would typically see in a Word doc. It just throws them at the bottom of the page, and it can be hit or miss about getting the numbering correct. The one disadvantage of this program compared to Kurzweil is that the resulting Word document is not always paginated the same as the PDF. All of the page breaks from the PDF remain in the document, but a word document from a pdf with longer pages sometimes has additional page breaks, which makes it harder to get right to the desired page.

On 8/18/2016 3:29 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
> Very good to know; it might be good to have that as an alternative to 
> Kurzweil, and approx. $150 sounds reasonable especially compared to 
> Kurzweil's prices.
>
> No, our journal is exclusively electronic at this point. Mainly the 
> sighted folks use Adobe for underlining and highlighting, but I'll be 
> doing it somewhat differently.
>
> Do you know if the Nuance program can also identify 
> footnotes/endnotes? That would be immensely useful.
>
>
>
> On 8/18/16, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Yes, and it does a very good job. It sometimes even manages to 
>> identify tables  and structure them as such in the Word doc, and it 
>> also does a fair job of picking up on fonts, including italics. It 
>> also is good for scanning, if you have to scan and send a properly 
>> formatted document, say, a signed contract, to a sighted person, and 
>> it allows for the conversion of pdf-to-word (including OCR) from file 
>> explorer (once installed, options appear under the applications menu 
>> to convert pdf as document to word, as spreadsheet to excel, etc). I 
>> think it's over $100, but I have found it useful for a variety of 
>> things. And, as for the pdf merging business, well, I hope that I can 
>> change that and a variety of other things next year. Out of 
>> curiosity, does your journal still have people physically mark up 
>> printed documents as part of the editing process? Mine does, and 
>> although I can obviously use the word version of the article instead, 
>> I have wondered how common that particular requirement is as well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/18/2016 3:14 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
>>> Interesting; that is not a requirement on my journal and it sounds 
>>> very laborious. Does that software do OCR on PDFs as well?
>>>
>>> On 8/18/16, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> For what it's worth, I always convert PDF's to Word first; it makes 
>>>> navigation and copy/paste considerably easier. My law review 
>>>> requires merging the pdf of the article or other source with the 
>>>> table of contents for the volume/issue of the journal in which I 
>>>> found it, and I would highly recommend a product (not cheap but 
>>>> very good) called Nuance Power PDF Advanced. It works very well as 
>>>> a pdf-to-word converter as well, sometimes better than Kurzweil 
>>>> 1000. I have found that even some text PDF's do not interact very 
>>>> well with Jaws, hence the strategy of preemptive conversion. 
>>>> Congratulations on being on journal, and please feel free to reach out with any questions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/18/2016 12:50 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>> My team has already said they will just avoid giving me print 
>>>>> sources that haven't already been scanned. I've told them it would 
>>>>> probably be easiest for me to convert problematic PDFs into Word with Kurzweil.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone has suggestions about using the find feature in Adobe 
>>>>> that would be nice.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/18/16, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> I second everything Tai said. Except for the caveat that if 
>>>>>> certain articles were very print source heavy, I simply just 
>>>>>> switched off of them onto other articles. My law review team was 
>>>>>> very willing to be flexible with me in that way, as they would 
>>>>>> with, for instance, students who were studying abroad and so did 
>>>>>> not have access to ILL or to our print library. Alternatively, 
>>>>>> sometimes I would offer to check longer ranges of footnotes on 
>>>>>> articles in exchange for someone else taking on my print sources. 
>>>>>> Again, this was also a practice implemented for students studying 
>>>>>> abroad. I think the goal is to come up with equitable yet flexible solutions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/18/16, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> I ran inaccessible PDFs through ABYY FineReader or similar OCR 
>>>>>>> software when possible. If that did not render the document 
>>>>>>> accessible, I worked with a human reader to access them.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>>> kelby carlson via BlindLaw
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:13 AM
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>>>>>>> Cc: kelby carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not always the one pulling sources directly, and i'm having 
>>>>>>> a lot of trouble with certain PDFs. The regular ctrl-F command 
>>>>>>> doesn't seem to work right, and the JAWS find command can only 
>>>>>>> search the page that is on the screen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, how exactly did you deal with print sources?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/18/16, jim--- via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I made journal this year myself, and would appreciate any infor 
>>>>>>>> you get 'r'
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>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>>>>>>>> Of kelby carlson via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:03 PM
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>>>>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the 
>>>>>>>> past and has pulled sources. The production team and I are 
>>>>>>>> struggling to figure out an efficient process to do this with a 
>>>>>>>> screen reader. Any help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to do 
>>>>>>>> as much of it independently as possible.
>>>>>>>>
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