[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
Anmol Bhatia
anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
Wed Jun 22 17:46:09 UTC 2011
Kirt,
You have done a good job summarizing the differences between the ACB and NFB, but even though there is a difference in philosophies, members often find themselves some parts of the philosophie of the other organization and as you have already said that there is nothing wrong with eather philosophies.
I happen to be a federationest because I agree with the central idea of the NFB philosophies that "through proper training and education, blindness can become a meer nuisance". However, I also happen to support many of the ACB positions. For example, I happen to support currency accessibility because more then 100 countries have currency which is accessible for the blind and it does not seem to be a problem. Plus I happen that not being to identify my mone independently is an asult on my independence and even though technology exist to help me identify my money, it is not independence because it depends on my having the money identifier and for the identifier to work. Although I agree that a blind person should be train to use their hearing and understand the traffic patterns, but having audible street signals are sometimes good for those who are not as confident with their mobility skills and it does not hurt to have them in some streets particular
those who are frequented by blind individuals and are busy. Basically my personal philosophies is that a fine combinnation when applicable between the NFB philosophies and the ACB philosophies is the best to advance independence and opportunities for blind people.
Great discussion my friend.
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller
--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 11:57 AM
> Anmol,
> It's a nice thought. Maybe it'll be possible,
> some day. Never say
> never, ri9ght?
> But here's the thing. The two organizations
> have evolved two
> separate philosophies and mindsets. I'm doing
> something really bad
> and generalizing. If anyone who knows more than I do
> wants to correct
> me here, feel free.
> The stance the ACB seems to take more often than not
> is to make the
> environment more accessible for us. This is evidenced
> by their
> support for audible street signals (which make a lot of
> sense to me,
> I'm not really convinced one way or the other on that one
> yet),
> tactile currency, descriptive movies, the provisions in the
> ADA to
> make ATMs accessible, the 21st century communications act,
> their
> support for Randolph-Shepherd, universal design in
> technology, etc.
> They also use lots of their resources to fight
> descrimination, at
> least it seems that way to me.
> The NFB, on the other hand, seems to more often than
> not advocate us
> adapting to the environment. This is evidenced by the
> strict
> standards of training centers, pushing braille, opposition
> to the
> tactile currency idea, advocacy of relying on traffic
> rather than
> audible signals (which makes a lot of sense to me), our
> philosophy
> that with the right training and opportunity we can compete
> on an
> equal footing, the idea of the blind driver challenge,
> etc. Of course
> the NFB sometimes pushes making changes in the environment
> (technology
> bill of rights, Help America Vote Act, and the ADA which we
> also
> supported), and the ACB does advocate for quality
> independence
> training/O&M. But, those are the rough
> philosophies of the two
> organizations, if we're going by their records. Is
> the ACB wrong?
> No, I don't think so, but the NFB is more of a fit with my
> vision of
> blindness. I just think thee two separate
> methodoligies willkeep us
> from ever uniting as one group...and that's ok. We
> all have the
> right, even the obligation to advocate for ourselves and
> those we
> represent. The ACB does it their way, we do it
> ours. Sometimes there
> is overlap, lots of times our philosophies take us in
> different
> directions and put us on opposite sides of important
> issues. When our
> aims are the same (or similar), we need to work together
> and present a
> united front. When we are at odds (which we often
> are, the two
> organizations really are very different), we both have the
> right to
> push our separate agendas and attempt to get our policies
> implimented.
> Sometimes they win, sometimes we win, that's
> politics. We don't have
> to be bitter about it and, on the personal level, we can
> still be good
> friends even when our politics are at odds.
> Just my thoughts,
> Kirt
>
> On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Kirt,
> > You bring some vary valid points, and yes we have
> beaten the
> > democrats/republicans analogy to death but it
> keeps coming up as a
> > comparison, so I will just say one thing about this. I
> may have already said
> > this before on the list, but please furgive me if I
> have. The blind
> > community is a to small of a community to be divided
> on partizen lines like
> > democrats and republicans, and our challenges are to
> great to be divided
> > like democrats and republicans. Sure there will be
> differences between
> > members of the ACB and members of the NFB on how
> business should be
> > conducted, but honestly there differences between
> members of each
> > organization on how their organization should do
> business.
> > True there were disagreement on how business should
> and leadership issues
> > causing the split between the NFB and ACB, I consider
> the leadership issues
> > to be pitty differences. Often when one candidate
> loses, they and their
> > supporters go and form their on organization or
> chapter. This happened at my
> > local NFB chapter and as a result we have two NFB
> chapters in a small town.
> > Now some may consider this to be a good thing, but
> think about how much more
> > we can achieve if we were one NFB chapter in
> Fayetteville in recruiting,
> > fund raising and my volunteers for events. In
> addition, these types of
> > childish arguements causes many blind people who
> otherwise may be involved
> > in a blind organization to be a "fense sitters". Now
> using this analogy to
> > NFB ACB, ACB does not have near the funds that NFB
> has, but they are not
> > poor eather. Their attendence is not as large at the
> conventions, but it is
> > not small eather. Think if both of these organizations
> were together how
> > much more money we would have to do policy that
> each organization does or
> > the advocacy work that each organization does,
> and think about how much
> > larger the convention would be. We would pack two
> hotels full or near full.
> > In addition, think about how much venders would be
> giving out in prizes
> > because now insteading having to spend money to send
> their workers to two
> > convention, they will only have to send their workers
> to one convention. In
> > addition, most venders give out big prizes at each
> convention and if there
> > was only one convention, they can give two prizes.
> > However, you are right in that realistically the two
> organizations will not
> > merge any time soon.
> >
> > best wishes,
> > Anmol
> > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
> make me sad. Perhaps
> > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
> vague, like a breeze
> > among flowers.
> > Hellen Keller
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
> Our Eyes interview, Ride
> >> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22,
> 8:00 pm EDT
> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list"
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 2:51 PM
> >> Anmol,
> >> I don't really see a merger happening any time
> soon,
> >> nor would I
> >> want it to. We've all beaten the
> democrat/republican
> >> analogy to
> >> death...but imagine Barack Obama and Mitt Romney
> in the
> >> same political
> >> party. It just wouldn't work. There are huge
> >> differences. It
> >> doesn't make the NFB better for everyone, but it
> makes the
> >> NFB better
> >> for me. I have lots of respect for my friends in
> the
> >> ACB who stand up
> >> and fight for their agenda. Lots of the times,
> it's
> >> the same as mine.
> >> When it's not, we can talk without being
> jackasses to each
> >> other and,
> >> in a lot of cases, the disagreement actually
> strengthens
> >> our
> >> friendship.
> >> I say diversity is good, competition is good,
> we
> >> need a free market
> >> of ideas. I respect ACB and the sincere people
> there
> >> trying to make
> >> the lives of blind people better. I happen to
> find
> >> the Federation
> >> philosophy and method more meaningful for me. I
> want
> >> to understand
> >> the split. From the little bit of studying I've
> done,
> >> I don't really
> >> think it was petty personal differences but
> rather
> >> differing
> >> philosophies about methodology and leadership that
> drove
> >> the two
> >> groups to separate. We can be different without
> being
> >> petty. We can
> >> disagree without being bigots. When our two
> >> organizations come down
> >> on opposite sides of important issues, as we often
> do, we
> >> need not be
> >> arrogant or self-rightious because we think we're
> >> right. The fact is,
> >> we disagree. And I think the disagreements are
> too
> >> central to our
> >> respective organizations for us to ever become
> one.
> >> But that doesn't
> >> mean we can't be friends, especially on a personal
> level.
> >> Best,
> >> Kirt
> >>
> >> On 6/21/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Kirt,
> >> > You are bringing up some vary good points...
> >> Understanding the history of
> >> > the NFB and ACB is an import part in the
> history in
> >> the blind movement and
> >> > an important part in the history of two
> organizations.
> >> Frankly in it is just
> >> > my oppinion both organizations bring value
> and have
> >> and continue to make a
> >> > difference for blind people across America on
> a daily
> >> bases. It is a shame
> >> > that this split happened and just maybe the
> next
> >> generation of blind
> >> > individuals our generation or those who are
> younger
> >> then can bring the two
> >> > organizations together once again. Now this
> is just my
> >> translation and my
> >> > oppinion, but it seems to me that the NFB
> ACB
> >> split happened over pitty
> >> > differences and two individuals with
> different ideas
> >> fighting for power. It
> >> > seems to me that the hate the two
> organizations have
> >> towards each other is
> >> > not as strong amongest this generation.
> Infact many
> >> members of NABS of ACB
> >> > and NABS of NFB are friends in life and
> attack on the
> >> other organization is
> >> > usually not allow on each organization's
> mailing
> >> list.
> >> > Dave, you are right that ACB does not have
> the same
> >> amount of people
> >> > attending its' convention, but their
> attendence is not
> >> small eather. I would
> >> > guess 1500 attend the ACB convention and all
> the major
> >> venders who attend
> >> > the NFB convention attend the ACB convention.
> There
> >> are also quite a few
> >> > young people who attend the ACB convention.
> >> > Yes ACB does its' business different then
> NFB, but
> >> thats why they are a
> >> > different organization. However, this does
> not make
> >> them any worse or better
> >> > then the NFB.
> >> > Just my thoughts and it would be great if we
> keep the
> >> attacks on each
> >> > organization to as less as possible.
> >> >
> >> > Anmol
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I seldom think about my limitations, and they
> never
> >> make me sad. Perhaps
> >> > there is just a touch of yearning at times;
> but it is
> >> vague, like a breeze
> >> > among flowers.
> >> > Hellen Keller
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
> >> Our Eyes interview, Ride
> >> >> into History, Race for Independence, Wed.
> June 22,
> >> 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >> To: "National Association of Blind
> Students
> >> mailing list"
> >> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> >> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 12:25 PM
> >> >> Dave,
> >> >> How long ago was this? Things
> could've
> >> changed
> >> >> since you last went
> >> >> if it's been a while, maybe? And, with
> respect,
> >> this
> >> >> is a big deal to
> >> >> a lot of us. I know for me it's a lot
> more than
> >> a
> >> >> "small
> >> >> consideration", I like to know the past
> as much as
> >> I can
> >> >> because it
> >> >> shaped the here and now. I can read the
> books
> >> put out
> >> >> by each
> >> >> organization-they probably both have lots
> of the
> >> truth
> >> >> intermingled
> >> >> with their respective agendas. But
> nothing
> >> beats
> >> >> talking to people
> >> >> who have studied the issues or,
> preferably, people
> >> who were
> >> >> actually
> >> >> there.
> >> >> All the best,
> >> >> Kirt
> >> >>
> >> >> On 6/21/11, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > The two biggest things I noticed at
> an ACB
> >> national
> >> >> convention were
> >> >> > that the crowd was considerably
> smaller than
> >> that at a
> >> >> NFB convention
> >> >> > -- less exhibits etc. too. The
> second
> >> things was
> >> >> that there were few
> >> >> > young persons -- some but noticeably
> not
> >> very
> >> >> many. One of the major
> >> >> > things that the ACB has pushed in
> the past is
> >> that it
> >> >> is different
> >> >> > from the NFB, it does things
> differently
> >> etc.
> >> >> This doesn't really
> >> >> > matter to younger people though, so
> they have
> >> little
> >> >> reason to join, so
> >> >> > don't.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You guys can spend lots of time on
> the
> >> history, and
> >> >> differences if
> >> >> > you want -- but what is the point.
> It
> >> happened,
> >> >> it is over with and
> >> >> > done. Yes we can and should learn
> from our
> >> >> history, but it is just
> >> >> > one small consideration.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Dave
> >> >> >
> >> >> > At 11:32 AM 6/20/2011, you wrote:
> >> >> >>Dave,
> >> >> >> I do see your point.
> Those
> >> >> alive at the time are not, and will
> >> >> >>probabluy never be friends.
> Heck,
> >> getting
> >> >> them to actually talk in
> >> >> >>peace would be the achievement of
> the
> >> >> century! if such a call were
> >> >> >>to hypothetically happen, how
> could we
> >> keep it from
> >> >> opening old wounds
> >> >> >>and stoking old fires?
> >> >> >> Best,
> >> >> >>Kirt
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>On 6/20/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > Dave,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Our joint conference call
> isn't
> >> associated
> >> >> whatsoever with the
> >> >> >> > proposition of a change in
> the NFB
> >> >> bylaw. If I'm setting this
> >> >> >> > up, which it appears I am,
> I didn't
> >> even have
> >> >> the intention of
> >> >> >> > mentioning that proposition
> on the
> >> >> call. The call's purpose is
> >> >> >> > to learn the history of the
> NFB/ACB,
> >> with a
> >> >> little emphasis on
> >> >> >> > the "civil war" period,
> from both
> >> sides so we
> >> >> are informed. I
> >> >> >> > also want this call to
> start a
> >> discussion on
> >> >> the history of our
> >> >> >> > movement and what we can
> learn from
> >> it, not
> >> >> only as
> >> >> >> > Federationists, but as
> blind
> >> students.
> >> >> Jorge and I have found
> >> >> >> > some ways that we can hold
> the call
> >> without
> >> >> making it a NABS
> >> >> >> > membership call, if it is
> entirely
> >> >> necessary. And as to your
> >> >> >> > comments about them not
> being our
> >> friends,
> >> >> then using your
> >> >> >> > argument, the Republicans
> should not
> >> hear the
> >> >> Democrats point of
> >> >> >> > view in meetings of
> Congress, but
> >> the two
> >> >> parties should be
> >> >> >> > separated from each other
> for fear
> >> of their
> >> >> own side being
> >> >> >> > attacked. We can keep our
> same
> >> >> opinions, and probably many
> >> >> >> > Federationists and Council
> members
> >> who attend
> >> >> this call will.
> >> >> >> > This is just a way that we
> can be
> >> more
> >> >> informed when forming
> >> >> >> > these opinions.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Chris
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "A loss of sight, never a
> loss of
> >> vision!"
> >> >> (Camp Abilities motto)
> >> >> >> > To learn more about Camp
> Abilities
> >> and find a
> >> >> local camp near
> >> >> >> > you, just click on this
> link to
> >> their
> >> >> national Web site:
> >> >> >> > www.campabilities.org.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation
> helps
> >> visually
> >> >> impaired youth in
> >> >> >> > Maryland have the ability
> to
> >> confidently say
> >> >> "I can!" How? Click
> >> >> >> > on this link to learn more
> and to
> >> >> contribute:
> >> >> >> > www.icanfoundation.info.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Sent from my BrailleNote
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message
> -----
> >> >> >> > From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
> >> >> >> > To: National Association of
> Blind
> >> Students
> >> >> mailing list
> >> >> >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> >> >> > Date sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2011
> 20:39:01
> >> -0500
> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> >> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >> >> Threw Our Eyes
> >> >> >> > interview,Ride into
> History, Race
> >> for
> >> >> Independence, Wed. June
> >> >> >> > 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Chris:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I don't want to friend
> anyone -- but
> >> I think
> >> >> this is a terrible
> >> >> >> > idea! Remember the ACB
> split off
> >> from
> >> >> the NFB because they
> >> >> >> > thought
> >> >> >> > that we were all wrong, did
> our
> >> business in
> >> >> the wrong way etc. I
> >> >> >> > am
> >> >> >> > not going to say that we
> can't learn
> >> anything
> >> >> from the ACB, but
> >> >> >> > not a
> >> >> >> > history lesson. I was at
> a ACb
> >> National
> >> >> Convention a few years
> >> >> >> > ago
> >> >> >> > -- and heard the NFB
> attacked openly
> >> and
> >> >> indirectly. These folks
> >> >> >> > are
> >> >> >> > not our friends. We can
> work
> >> jointly at
> >> >> times, and should, and I
> >> >> >> > don't think we should be
> against
> >> them, for
> >> >> the sake of it, as
> >> >> >> > some of
> >> >> >> > my old-timer friends are --
> but a
> >> joint
> >> >> conference call on
> >> >> >> > consideration of a change
> to a NFB
> >> division
> >> >> bylaw is going to
> >> >> >> > far!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Dave
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > At 12:53 PM 6/19/2011, you
> wrote:
> >> >> >> > Kirt,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I have a friend in the
> Council that
> >> I will
> >> >> see Monday night, so I
> >> >> >> > plan to give this idea to
> him and
> >> ask if he
> >> >> knows someone in the
> >> >> >> > Council that would be
> knowledgeable
> >> enough
> >> >> and willing to attend
> >> >> >> > this call on behalf of the
> Council
> >> as an
> >> >> expert on their history.
> >> >> >> > Maybe it would be better if
> someone
> >> like me
> >> >> moderated. Keep in
> >> >> >> > mind
> >> >> >> > that I did volunteer, but
> I'm not
> >> degrading
> >> >> anyone else, I'm just
> >> >> >> > using myself as an example
> here.
> >> I'm a
> >> >> member of the Federation,
> >> >> >> > but I'm not a hard-line
> "NFB is
> >> good, ACB
> >> >> bad" person, so I
> >> >> >> > wouldn't
> >> >> >> > show any bias to NFB or
> ACB. I
> >> also am
> >> >> not currently a
> >> >> >> > contributing
> >> >> >> > (due-paying) member of
> NABS, so I'm
> >> not a
> >> >> leader in it of
> >> >> >> > course. That way, we
> wouldn't have
> >> any
> >> >> bias.
> >> >> >> > I think it would be easy to
> have it
> >> jointly
> >> >> attended even if it's
> >> >> >> > an
> >> >> >> > official NABS call. If we
> have a
> >> >> representative of ACB on the
> >> >> >> > call,
> >> >> >> > we could probably easily
> get other
> >> members of
> >> >> ACB on the call to
> >> >> >> > kind of back up or add to
> that
> >> guest
> >> >> speaker's information.
> >> >> >> > Thoughts?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Chris
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "A loss of sight, never a
> loss of
> >> vision!"
> >> >> (Camp Abilities motto)
> >> >> >> > To learn more about Camp
> Abilities
> >> and find a
> >> >> local camp near
> >> >> >> > you,
> >> >> >> > just click on this link to
> their
> >> national Web
> >> >> site:
> >> >> >> > www.campabilities.org.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation
> helps
> >> visually
> >> >> impaired youth in
> >> >> >> > Maryland
> >> >> >> > have the ability to
> confidently say
> >> "I can!"
> >> >> How? Click on this
> >> >> >> > link
> >> >> >> > to learn more and to
> contribute:
> >> >> www.icanfoundation.info.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Sent from my BrailleNote
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message
> -----
> >> >> >> > From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> >> >> >> > To: National Association of
> Blind
> >> Students
> >> >> mailing list
> >> >> >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> >> >> > Date sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2011
> 00:45:08
> >> -0600
> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> >> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >> >> Threw Our Eyes
> >> >> >> > interview,Ride into
> History, Race
> >> for
> >> >> Independence, Wed. June
> >> >> >> > 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Carley,
> >> >> >> > The two organizations
> don't
> >> >> really claim to be "friends" as
> >> >> >> > such-it
> >> >> >> > seems like now they just
> mostly
> >> ignore each
> >> >> other, work jointly
> >> >> >> > when
> >> >> >> > their agendas converge and
> play
> >> politics when
> >> >> they don't. Maybe
> >> >> >> > they
> >> >> >> > aren't enemies, but the
> official
> >> >> organizations don't really
> >> >> >> > advertise
> >> >> >> > themselves as friends.
> >> >> >> > While it would be
> great to
> >> >> have people from both organizations
> >> >> >> > participate in a joint
> call, I don't
> >> see it
> >> >> happening. Here's
> >> >> >> > hoping
> >> >> >> > though, I guess It's
> certainly a
> >> nice
> >> >> thought-although, if the
> >> >> >> > call
> >> >> >> > were to have presentations
> from
> >> members of
> >> >> both organizations, it
> >> >> >> > probably should be jointly
> moderated
> >> and
> >> >> attended. The NFB (or
> >> >> >> > probably even NABS) would,
> I'm
> >> betting, not
> >> >> be inclined to go
> >> >> >> > there.
> >> >> >> > So maybe we'll have better
> luck
> >> going through
> >> >> unnoficial channels
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > setting this up on our
> own? No
> >> need to
> >> >> make it an official event
> >> >> >> > for
> >> >> >> > either the Federation or
> the
> >> Council-I think
> >> >> it's safe to say
> >> >> >> > that
> >> >> >> > idea was doomed to fail
> before it
> >> was brought
> >> >> up.
> >> >> >> > Best,
> >> >> >> > Kirt
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On 6/18/11, Chris Nusbaum
> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > And, as I said before, I
> would be
> >> very
> >> >> willing to moderate this
> >> >> >> > call. Please keep me
> posted!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Chris
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "A loss of sight, never a
> loss of
> >> vision!"
> >> >> (Camp Abilities motto)
> >> >> >> > To learn more about Camp
> Abilities
> >> and find a
> >> >> local camp near
> >> >> >> > you, just click on this
> link to
> >> their
> >> >> national Web site:
> >> >> >> > www.campabilities.org.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation
> helps
> >> visually
> >> >> impaired youth in
> >> >> >> > Maryland have the ability
> to
> >> confidently say
> >> >> "I can!" How? Click
> >> >> >> > on this link to learn more
> and to
> >> >> contribute:
> >> >> >> > www.icanfoundation.info.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Sent from my
> BrailleNote
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > ----- Original
> Message
> >> >> -----
> >> >> >> > From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
> >> >> >> > To: National Association of
> Blind
> >> Students
> >> >> mailing list
> >> >> >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> >> >> > Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011
> 18:51:04
> >> -0400
> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> >> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >> >> Threw Our Eyes
> >> >> >> > interview,Ride into
> History, Race
> >> for
> >> >> Independence, Wed. June
> >> >> >> > 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > This call would be very
> interesting
> >> >> indeed. If representatives
> >> >> >> > from both organizations are
> willing
> >> to
> >> >> participate, it can really
> >> >> >> > be productive in many
> ways.
> >> >> >> > On Jun 18, 2011, at 1:46
> PM, Carly
> >> Mihalakis
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Good morning, list,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > A few days ago,
> someone on
> >> >> the NABS list suggested a
> >> >> >> > conference
> >> >> >> > call bringing clarity to a
> younger
> >> >> generation. What, exactly, is
> >> >> >> > the history of the
> ideological
> >> parting of
> >> >> ways, between the
> >> >> >> > Federation and the Council?
> Does
> >> anybody know
> >> >> today, the history
> >> >> >> > of this division or is it a
> product
> >> of sheer
> >> >> habit as is the case
> >> >> >> > with Republicans and
> Democrats? If
> >> such a
> >> >> meeting of both
> >> >> >> > entities were to take
> place, There
> >> ought to
> >> >> be representation of
> >> >> >> > both organizations so
> that a
> >> wholistic
> >> >> portrait of this issue
> >> >> >> > can be exercised.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > and its split from
> the
> >> >> ACB. This seems like a productive and
> >> >> >> > enlightening discussion but
> I
> >> wonder, if the
> >> >> Federation and the
> >> >> >> > council claim to be
> friends, should
> >> there not
> >> >> be representation
> >> >> >> > from both sides,
> identifying
> >> >> their position and whereabouts
> >> >> >> > they stand, in this? At
> >> >> >> > ---- Original Message
> >> >> ------
> >> >> >> > From: "Joe Ruffalo"
> <nfbnj at yahoo.com>
> >> >> (by way of David
> >> >> >> > Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
> >> >> >> > Subject:
> >> >> [Nfbnet-members-list] Thru Our Eyes
> interview,
> >> Ride
> >> >> >> > into History,Race for
> >> Independence,
> >> >> Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >> >> > Date sent: Fri, 17 Jun
> 2011
> >> >> 19:26:45 -0500
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Save The Date:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On Wednesday, June
> 22,at
> >> >> 8:00 pm eastern, Thru Our Eyes host,
> >> >> >> > Joe
> >> >> >> > Ruffalo will
> interview
> >> >> Parnell Diggs, chair of the Imagination
> >> >> >> > Fund,
> >> >> >> > Race for
> Independence.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The interview will
> highlight
> >> >> current and past grants awarded to
> >> >> >> > state
> >> >> >> > affiliates and
> chapters.
> >> >> >> > In addition, featured
> will
> >> >> be Imaginators who will share the
> >> >> >> > methods
> >> >> >> > to make the ask to
> make a
> >> >> difference in changing what it means
> >> >> >> > to be blind.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Special highlight of
> the
> >> >> interview will be the announcement of
> >> >> >> > the 30
> >> >> >> > winners who will have
> the
> >> >> opportunity to be driven by a blind
> >> >> >> > driver
> >> >> >> > while attending
> >> >> >> > the national
> convention in
> >> >> Orlando.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Witness the
> opportunity to
> >> >> ride into history!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > To watch and listen to
> the
> >> >> interview, please visit the
> >> >> >> > following:
> >> >> >> > <http://www.thruoureyes.org>www.thruoureyes.org
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > For JAWS users and
> mobile
> >> >> phone users, please visit the
> >> >> >> > following:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > m.thruoureyes.org
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Other options to watch
> or
> >> >> listen can be found on the sites
> >> >> >> > listed above.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > To call in with
> comments or
> >> >> questions, please dial the
> >> >> >> > following:
> >> >> >> > 1 888 572 0141
> >> >> >> > Join us to Make a
> >> >> Difference!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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